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« Reply #181 on: 17-02-2013, 01:02:33 »
Was it really common to get wrapped up in barbed wire like in the movies? I thought it was mostly to just be a nuisance and funnel enemies into where you want them to go.
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« Reply #182 on: 17-02-2013, 05:02:57 »
Was it really common to get wrapped up in barbed wire like in the movies? I thought it was mostly to just be a nuisance and funnel enemies into where you want them to go.

It wasn't too common, mostly because you didn't exactly just charge wire.  It was indeed for funneling the enemy, or forcing them to slowly cut through the wire under fire.  It also wasn't too deadly, it was a common tactic too, if you had on a thick enough uniform, have one guy jump on the wire and hold it down with his body weight whilst the rest of the unit ran over it.  This was somewhat prevented in WW1 by the use of razor wire, which actually is capable of maiming/killing.

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« Reply #183 on: 17-02-2013, 06:02:33 »
Assuming you're asking about concertina wire (coils)...

Taking off your coat and laying it down with some rocks on top works well. Don't try and wade through the wire though, you'll trip and maybe even lose a shoe.
Razor wire on the other hand is just a pain in the ass to cross without removing it. Several wooden planks or corpses works. Razor wire takes much longer to cross or remove. Mostly psychological, I would much prefer to blow it up in a hurry than attempt anything else.
When you fall on wire, you might just have all your limbs under seperate coils. I saw someone purposely lay back on some in a demonstration once, she didn't even touch the ground.

You might find this PDF very interesting! Mostly covers setting up wire rather than removing, but you should get some insight on various types in how they are constructed in the field.
http://compass.seacadets.org/pdf/nrtc/cb1/14234_ch8.pdf
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« Reply #184 on: 17-02-2013, 10:02:01 »
the first most effective way of dealing with barbed wire was with the tank. During the battle of Amiens in 1918, the allies did the most important breaktrough of WW1 thanks to new whippet and Mark V tanks. They drove trough barbed wire defenses like it was nothing, completly surprising german defenders.
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« Reply #185 on: 17-02-2013, 11:02:13 »
I remember when we had to build roadblocks in basic training, using those giant coils of razor wire. We got extra thick gloves to pull them appart and did our best not to get stuck in them with all our equipment. Those things were pretty nasty because, unlike traditional barbed wire, the "razor blades" were very sharp and you got stuck easily. AFAIK the best solution, when you´re unable to cut through the wire, is to throw a wooden board over it. I´ve seen our infantry doing that, although it´s a bit tricky.
Here´s part of the check point we´ve built, showingthe entrance (the bunch of barrels down the road), the main lane and to the right the vehicle and people control "boxes". The coils have a height of around 40 to 50 cm and are probably enough to stop wheeled vehicles. Two of them at the bottom and one on top would be enough to be a serious PITA for heavier vehicles.


the first most effective way of dealing with barbed wire was with the tank. During the battle of Amiens in 1918, the allies did the most important breaktrough of WW1 thanks to new whippet and Mark V tanks. They drove trough barbed wire defenses like it was nothing, completly surprising german defenders.
I think nowadays it´s a bad idea to drive with a vehicle over concertina wire. A buddy of mine was a former "Panzergrenadier" (mechanized infantry) and he told me a story where the driver of his Marder accidently drove over a roll of concertina wire and had his tracks completely messed up by it, jerking the vehicle to a sudden halt. Apparently the poor driver spent the rest of the day removing bits and pieces of wire from the tracks.
We were also taught in basic training that 3 rolls of wire stacked together are an effective way of stopping even a MBT and especially together with AT mines make for good obstacles to funnel enemy vehicles into kill zones.
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« Reply #186 on: 17-02-2013, 11:02:48 »
Were resistance forces from different and far away countries contacting eachother?

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« Reply #187 on: 17-02-2013, 11:02:11 »

the first most effective way of dealing with barbed wire was with the tank. During the battle of Amiens in 1918, the allies did the most important breaktrough of WW1 thanks to new whippet and Mark V tanks. They drove trough barbed wire defenses like it was nothing, completly surprising german defenders.
I think nowadays it´s a bad idea to drive with a vehicle over concertina wire. A buddy of mine was a former "Panzergrenadier" (mechanized infantry) and he told me a story where the driver of his Marder accidently drove over a roll of concertina wire and had his tracks completely messed up by it, jerking the vehicle to a sudden halt. Apparently the poor driver spent the rest of the day removing bits and pieces of wire from the tracks.
We were also taught in basic training that 3 rolls of wire stacked together are an effective way of stopping even a MBT and especially together with AT mines make for good obstacles to funnel enemy vehicles into kill zones.
Yeah that tactic is also applied here in the Belgian army.
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« Reply #188 on: 17-02-2013, 13:02:00 »
He we also had to build those checkpoints with razor wire. We also got those super thick oven mat like gloves, but the problem was that the wire always go caught in your pants and other stuff and it was a huge pain to move that crap around since you had to hold it away from your body and it was kind of heavy.

Also yeh, tanks are not supposed to drive over too much wire. It can, as homer already said, mess up your tracks quite badly when it gets completely caught in the running gear and roadwheels. Also razor wire would mostly be rigged with explosives, so when a tank drives over it and it gets caught in the tracks the explosives get pulled towards the tank and disable it. So driving over wire even in a Leo was always a no-go.

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« Reply #189 on: 17-02-2013, 16:02:02 »
Were resistance forces from different and far away countries contacting eachother?

No,


 In WW2, Allied resistance forces were mostly co-ordinated from London through organizations like the OSS.
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« Reply #190 on: 17-02-2013, 19:02:14 »
Did WW2 tanks had heating inside them for winter conditions?
Or did they used the heat of the engine?
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« Reply #191 on: 17-02-2013, 19:02:58 »
I'd imagine that the engine heat was enough. If not, the crew had thick winter clothing. If they used some sort of channels to vent engine heat to the crew compartment, it would transfer fire and fire extinguisher gases as well, so I don't think they did.
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« Reply #192 on: 17-02-2013, 19:02:14 »
What armoured vehicles did the Greek Army use in WW2?

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« Reply #193 on: 17-02-2013, 19:02:37 »
the first most effective way of dealing with barbed wire was with the tank. During the battle of Amiens in 1918, the allies did the most important breaktrough of WW1 thanks to new whippet and Mark V tanks. They drove trough barbed wire defenses like it was nothing, completly surprising german defenders.

Considering tanks had been in combat since 1916, it was not suprising at all.  Also considering the combat record of tanks in WW1, the tanks basically did nothing.  Amiens was a victory because the German army at that time was spent and being pushed back along the entire front.  The spring offensive had failed to achieve it's final goals before the arrival of the americans, and had ended in the casulties of 200,000 of her best troops.  Also, I'd say the most important allied breakthroughs in 1918 were the Americans at St Mihel and Argonne (which broke the German rail network of supply, meaning their armies in France could no longer be supplied), and arguably the Serbians at Dobro Pole, since that breakthrough essentially caused the collapse of Austria, Bulgaria, and Turkey in one fell swoop (though the Bulgarians managed to regain the initiative at Doiran, their government was overthrown).
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« Reply #194 on: 17-02-2013, 19:02:59 »
What armoured vehicles did the Greek Army use in WW2?

Mostly captured italian tanks and some british Bren carriers and light tanks. Greek terrain was not really suited for tank warfare (at least on the Western side)