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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1515 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:37 »
Abrams hit by insurgent AT rocket (RPG-7??) and on fire. (this is what the original caption said, and i know those are wrong 4 out of 5 times)


The name Cojone Eh on the tank barrel identifies this as the Abrams lost during the April 5, 2003 "Thunder Run" into Baghdad.

According to the book Thunder Run by Mark Zucchino, the Abrams was hit in the rear armor by a 90mm recoilless rifle, which started a fire in the engine block. None of the crew were injured. They tried to put out the fire (which is what you see in that picture) but the hot engine kept re-igniting dripping fuel from a ruptured line. They decided to destroy the tank and move on to prevent its capture by the Iraqis.

To destroy the tank, they threw thermite grenades down the hatches, then another Abrams shot the tank with a few 120mm rounds. Then after the crew had moved on an A-10 put a Maverick through the roof.

Here's what it ended up looking like:

Note that it's still recognizable as an Abrams, after being hit by a 90mm round, engine fire, thermite grenades, internal ammo explosion, several 120mm rounds and a Maverick missile.

Compare this to the Iraqi Asab Babil (license built T-72), where an armor-piercing hit tended to cause an internal ammo explosion that blew off the turret. Here's an example outside Baghdad in 2003:

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1516 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:56 »
What is the Abrams?

An up-to-date tank

What is the asad babil?
A weaker copy of a tank designed in 1970

America is like=WE OWN OUR ABRAMS best TANK IN world. Yet they fought Cheaper less armoured chinese copy's of T-55's, T-62's and a handfull of T72's

This is a tank=Leopard 2a7
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1517 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:18 »
Leo's ftw...Besides that you could ask...How much does an Abrams cost? How much does a T72 cost...

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1518 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:45 »
Ye I saw theta's BIG tread about how shitty abrams is on WoT forums.
I think it's a good tank...BUT faaar from the best tank in the world!
Leopard is definetly worth of that position.
Challenger II is a great tank too (Hell yeah, it has a tea making machine ^^) and I think that the Merkava would OWN the Abrams in the desert. And the Russian T-90?
The yanks should do some updating on their armoury ;D

 
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1519 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:41 »
I made 2 posts about the bad things about an abrams, thats not a big deal  :-\ plus everyone agreed their

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1520 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:27 »
I didn't mean those posts were bad!  :-*

 
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1521 on: 29-07-2010, 16:07:29 »
I think that the Merkava would OWN the Abrams in the desert.

Everything else in your post was reasonable, except this.

Merkava is slow as crap because it's a massive block of armor with treads, and a hollow space for the crew.

Thing was designed with crew protection as its first goal, and mobility second. This is because Israel has a small population and therefore can't afford to take massive casualties in a war. They are also in a fundamentally defensive posture versus their neighbors so mobility wasn't as big a concern.

Merkava is probably the best tank for urban warfare due to its massive armor and defensive systems. But in the open desert? I'll give the edge to the much faster and more mobile Abrams.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1522 on: 29-07-2010, 17:07:43 »
I just realized that I don't really like the looks of very many modern tanks at all.  I think it's the flatness of the turret that strikes me as lame, though some of the Soviet-era tanks still look pretty fine.

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« Reply #1523 on: 29-07-2010, 17:07:41 »
But to keep an abrams going in the desert, requires a large logistic system of very vurnable soft-skinned trucks
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1524 on: 29-07-2010, 18:07:12 »
I just realized that I don't really like the looks of very many modern tanks at all.  I think it's the flatness of the turret that strikes me as lame, though some of the Soviet-era tanks still look pretty fine.

See above T-72 image for what non-flatness does for a modern tank in combat.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1525 on: 29-07-2010, 18:07:28 »
Oh I know, but I have always preferred style over practicality.

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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1526 on: 29-07-2010, 20:07:44 »
I just realized that I don't really like the looks of very many modern tanks at all.  I think it's the flatness of the turret that strikes me as lame, though some of the Soviet-era tanks still look pretty fine.

See above T-72 image for what non-flatness does for a modern tank in combat.


Has nothing to do with its shape. The reason the T-72 is so pathetically outdated is due to its steel armor rather than the composite armor seen on most modern tanks. In addition, its fire control system has much to be desired. In short, an out of date tank.


BTW, @Battlefieldfan45,

The Abrams has been updated several times, everything from its armor to its main gun (increase in caliber from 105 to 120 if my memory serves me well).


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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1527 on: 29-07-2010, 21:07:52 »
Abrams most important upgrade was its armor. They added Depleted uranium. This intensivly increased its armor....but putted its weight at 68 tons or something
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1528 on: 29-07-2010, 21:07:26 »
Abrams most important upgrade was its armor. They added Depleted uranium. This intensivly increased its armor....but putted its weight at 68 tons or something


Yes, further decreasing its criminally inefficient engine. Also puts more stress on its inferior suspension system. The Challenger II is notably superior in both these categories. Indeed, the Challenger II seems to be superior in just about every aspect compared to the Abrams: more fuel efficient engine, better suspension and cross country speed, better gun, better fire control system, better armor, and, as was mentioned earlier, has a tea maker.


It is a slick lookin tank though.
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Re: Picture of the Day (Other eras)
« Reply #1529 on: 29-07-2010, 22:07:46 »

Yes, further decreasing its criminally inefficient engine. Also puts more stress on its inferior suspension system. The Challenger II is notably superior in both these categories. Indeed, the Challenger II seems to be superior in just about every aspect compared to the Abrams: more fuel efficient engine, better suspension and cross country speed, better gun, better fire control system, better armor, and, as was mentioned earlier, has a tea maker.

Indeed, I do believe the Challenger II is the best MBT out there.

During the war in Iraq only one Challenger II was destroyed in combat...by another Challenger II. Only twice was the Challenger II hull penetrated by enemy fire, once by an RPG-29 and once by a shaped charge IED. In other cases Challenger II's survived direct hits by 70 RPGs in one battle, or even direct hits from MILAN ATGMs.