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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1530 on: 19-11-2009, 00:11:16 »
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« Reply #1531 on: 19-11-2009, 01:11:33 »



Personnel of the Westminster Regiment, 5th Canadian Armoured Brigade, examining a self-propelled tank-destroyer "Nashorn" knocked out by PIAT gun, near Pontecorvo, Italy, 26 May 1944 (original ID as Hummel is wrong, long barrel and muzzle brake identifies it as Nashorn)


I don't see any damage to it, perhaps they missed and it scared the shit out of the drivers?

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« Reply #1532 on: 19-11-2009, 02:11:38 »
Knocked out by a Piat?  That means there would only be a very small hole.  But my guess is all or most of the crew survived (at least in the tank itself, donno if they survived the escape), since HEAT rounds don't do much to open topped vehicles, as there is no  pressure change that causes the huge flame plume that happens in an enclosed space.  IE, if it did hit the crew compartment, whoever was right next to where it hit is screwed, but the rest are probably fine.  Now judging by how the canadians are happily standing inside, I somehow doubt that they're standing in a pile of guts and charred flesh, so my guess is the piat hit the other track, knocked it out, and the crew was captured/ran for it.

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« Reply #1533 on: 19-11-2009, 03:11:19 »


Knocked out Panzer IV and Panther, Ardennes 1944.

It says the PzIV had a "Ambush Camo"
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the german ambush camo: in August 1944, an order was issued to the assembly firms to apply the camouflage pattern at the assembly plant using Dunklegelb RAL 7028 as the base coat with Olivgruen RAL 6003 and Rotbraun RAL 8017 applied in patches. This order created the uniform pattern which has become known as the “AMBUSH” camouflage scheme. Following the order to drop Zimmerit in September 1944, Panzers left the assembly plants with a base coat of primer Rot RAL 8012 (dark red) with only about half of the surface covered with patches of Rotbraun, Olivgruen, or Dunklegelb. Finally, as initiated by orders dated November 1944 - but not to go into full effect until June 1945 - the Panzers were to receive a base coat of Dunkelgruen (RAL 6003). A camouflage pattern was to be created at the assembly plant by spraying on Rotbraun or Dunklegelb in sharp contours. (Jentz and Doyle).


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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1535 on: 19-11-2009, 15:11:26 »
I don't see any damage to it, perhaps they missed and it scared the shit out of the drivers?
It may have ran out of gas also.
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1536 on: 19-11-2009, 18:11:18 »
Knocked out by a Piat?  That means there would only be a very small hole.  But my guess is all or most of the crew survived (at least in the tank itself, donno if they survived the escape), since HEAT rounds don't do much to open topped vehicles, as there is no  pressure change that causes the huge flame plume that happens in an enclosed space.  IE, if it did hit the crew compartment, whoever was right next to where it hit is screwed, but the rest are probably fine.  Now judging by how the canadians are happily standing inside, I somehow doubt that they're standing in a pile of guts and charred flesh, so my guess is the piat hit the other track, knocked it out, and the crew was captured/ran for it.
Most likely. Many crews abandoned their tanks the second it got hit, because their was a high chance that a second shell, with less lucky results, was on the way


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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1537 on: 20-11-2009, 00:11:45 »
Knocked out by a Piat?  That means there would only be a very small hole.  But my guess is all or most of the crew survived (at least in the tank itself, donno if they survived the escape), since HEAT rounds don't do much to open topped vehicles, as there is no  pressure change that causes the huge flame plume that happens in an enclosed space.  IE, if it did hit the crew compartment, whoever was right next to where it hit is screwed, but the rest are probably fine.  Now judging by how the canadians are happily standing inside, I somehow doubt that they're standing in a pile of guts and charred flesh, so my guess is the piat hit the other track, knocked it out, and the crew was captured/ran for it.
Most likely. Many crews abandoned their tanks the second it got hit, because their was a high chance that a second shell, with less lucky results, was on the way

 Google is your friend, that picture is from a very famous battle that took place in that very location. A captain Mahony from the Westie's regiment actually won a VC for his actions there, which included that "Nashorn" pictured earlier. Historically, There are numerous accounts which refer to the Melfa offensive, as it was a pivotal action in securing the Liri valley.

Mahony's official citation is here: http://vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=history/secondwar/citations/mahony

 According to the Westminster's War Diary, that 88mm Self propelled gun had popped up soon after a bridgehead was established and was taking potshots at Stuart light tanks that were assembled across the river. Capt. Mahony and his PIAT man advanced towards the armour, took one bomb shot that missed at distance but then crawled closer to the gun and proceeded to hit the left track with their second shot.

 When they realized that they had just lost mobility, the German crew bailed out and was then cut down by a Bren section, except for one German soul who had enough of his wits about him to surrender. The German armour crew had no idea what they had gotten themselves into. (their greediness to engage targets got them into a lot of trouble).

 During that very offensive, the Germans lost 3 Mk IV tanks, 5 or 6 self propelled guns and 1 Panther to a company of infantry with 3x 6 pdr. guns, 2 sections of PIAT men and one troop of Stuart tanks. Their battlefield recce was so poor for that action that they kept assaulting in numbers that were doomed to failure, even though the Germans held numerical superiority in terms of artillery support, armour and infantry strength.


 I love reading War Diaries and the Westie's is very well done, certainly worth the read in my opinion. As motorized infantry during the war, the Westie's certainly got around, and they have some stories to show for it ...
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1538 on: 20-11-2009, 01:11:46 »
So basically I was dead on correct in my initial assessment, the crew survived the PIAT and bailed out, the PIAT imbolized the tank via a left track shot.  Wootness for me.

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1539 on: 20-11-2009, 01:11:49 »
So basically I was dead on correct in my initial assessment, the crew survived the PIAT and bailed out, the PIAT imbolized the tank via a left track shot.  Wootness for me.

 More like,
 The German crew over -extended themselves by advancing into unknown forces. Instead of consolidating the terrain, the German crews were just firing randomly into anticipated positions which revealed their location, thus making them prime targets for ambush. After being ambushed, still oblivious to the enemy they faced at their location, the Germans just tried to run away and were cut down. (only one man surrendered)

 
 The truth to this action is much more informative than mere speculation by anyone. This thread only works when people contribute to the history in an accurate fashion. IMO, guessing is terrible when we have a ready internet search resource open right in front of us.

 Think of it this way... you took so long to type out your 'guess', when it would have been faster to type the date of the photograph into a browser and find out the truth.

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1540 on: 20-11-2009, 01:11:04 »
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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1541 on: 20-11-2009, 04:11:08 »
Hes just sitting there, that or taking a crap.


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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1543 on: 20-11-2009, 04:11:33 »
Hes just sitting there, that or taking a crap.

you do not see the artillery round landing behind him? It's pretty noticeable.   

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Re: Picture of the Day
« Reply #1544 on: 20-11-2009, 11:11:04 »
you do not see the artillery round landing behind him? It's pretty noticeable.   
Must feel pretty horrible to be shot by artillery while taking a crap.
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