Axis bias, huh?

[Harmonikater]

i say we need an auto-scramble script

[Thorondor123]

As I play almost exclusively with friends, I would not play on a server that scrambles teams.

[ajappat]

As I play almost exclusively with friends, I would not play on a server that scrambles teams.

So do I, but I must say, that team scramble would sometimes do very good for server. Axis team gets too often stacked with all the good players.

[Harmonikater]

it wouldnt have to be used after every round. But it should be there as a tool for admins. If the same team wins 5 maps in a row and its players are way ahead scorewise, then either the script or a admin should step in and scramble teams so that not all the good players remain on the same side.
(well if you consider every possibility it might make teams even more unbalanced, but as this is much less probable ill just ignore this.)

[ajappat]

And some people would still move to axis, no matter what.

http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/player-teams/99302992/
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/player-teams/283638662/
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/player-teams/350216936/
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/player-teams/209329742/
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/player-teams/165732845/
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/player-teams/133774107/

 

[Musti]

What?
How do they manage to not get bored of this?

[McCloskey]

Actually some people play a certain faction because they like the faction for its weapons/vehicles aesthetic-wise.. the same way I will always prefer Allies (US/UK) to Axis while I know they underperform on some maps, because I just love the looks of specific pieces of their armory (although there are some nasty axis panzerwhores out there, that's for sure)

[Surfbird]

People like ajappat mentioned are what I was thinking of too. It's okay when they like Axis faction better, but for the sake of balance it should not be a problem when they play 1 or 2 rounds as Allies here and there.

Teamscramble would be indeed good. Some players are going to change sites anyway after that, like those you mentioned, but some won't. It does something. Good players stacking up in one team has always been a problem in Battlefield games. And there is no real solution so far.

So, teamscramble is one thing, but as I said, if you really want to have balanced FH2 games on the long term, the good players should know they have some kind of responsibility. I know most of them give a shit about it and changing that attitude is quite impossible. Especially those that play Axis only now, will play Axis only in the future, that's unpreventable.

Anyway, there should be thought of solutions that bring more player balance into FH2. Makes games more enjoyable for everyone, unless you like being unchallenged every single round.

[Eat Uranium]

Edited the OP for readability.

[CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE]

Hate team scrambling with a passion. One of this most infuriating parts of FH2 is how hard it is sometimes to play on the side you want to play on, and with teamswitching, crashes to desktop, connection problems, punkbuster fuck-ups, there are a hundred ways you have to go to the pain in the ass of reloading the map and it's just salt in the wound when you load back up and you're on the team you don't want to be on, but the team you are on has one more player for the next 20 minutes and you can't switch back. Team scrambling makes these problems even worse, it destroys good squads and makes it impossible to play with a group of friends for more than a round. WaW server had this after the patch and it seriously hampered enjoyment of the game, because everyone spent the first ten minutes of the round trying to get back with their pals.

[Eat Uranium]

I like it when servers switch your whole team as a group at the end of a round, so you alternate from Allies to Axis throughout the night - stops it from being so samey I think.  But a team scramble is probably best left to the discretion of admins when there is a clear dominance of one team over the other.

[dead_man1876]

Can't you do any statistics on the fhawards server to collect map outcome. Every player has his own map stats but can't you collect some general ones. Surely there must be sth..

[WinstonTheRipper]

I'm sure we've all been in a round where a majority of the best people in the server are stacked on German. No, it's not very fair, but I still enjoy it because of the skill it takes to fight them. The only way it can be prevented is when the people in question (you know who you are) decide to switch things up every now and again. It's ok to play allies a few rounds, don't worry the shermans won't bite you.

[Mud Buddha]

When I think about the games I recently played on the 128p server, ~80-90% of games got won by Axis. Not least because of the good players stacking up on Axis side for some reason.

With these 64+ games it might also have to do with the fact that most maps are german defense maps and with maps this overcrowded with players it becomes really hard for the allies to make any headway. With this much players it's easier to plug up any holes in your defenses. Just speculating here.

The Tigers are exceptionally powerful on Ramelle due to the lack of American AT assets. On Sidi Bou Zid for example the Tiger is pretty much gimped because of mines, air force and 75mm tank destroyers.

Aren't the tigers on Ramelle exceptionally powerful simply because the devs made them exceptionally powerful? I haven't counted them, but I know there are a lot of bazooka pick-up kits scattered around the map.

[dead_man1876]

An analysis from a pre 2.45 point of view:
As long as nobody comes up with an official map statistic from the fh2 awards server, I gave it a try and compared the winning percentage per 64-player map versions from the axis point of view for two players, who usually play only one side and have played most maps quit often: karel88l, who played 98% of his 2106 rounds on Axis side and me, who played 99% of my 714 rounds on Allied side.
(I beg your pardon karel. I assume that I can use your stats, since your profile has been already linked in this thread. And it looks really great.)

It doesn't make sense to add more players, because we would then have more rounds double counted as we already have, due to the fact that I often met karel on the virtual battlefield.
There is some impact on the outcome of the battle by the skill of karel88l, who is leading the scoreboard and having the golden pilot medal, while my impact is mediocre due to the fact that I am at best a bit above average. To exclude this effect I set up the following bounds in order to decide if a map is unbalanced or not:
- If a map has been won at least 67% of the time by Axis in both cases (mine and his), then I may say that the Axis has a clear advantage on that map.
- If a map has been won less than 33% of the time by Axis in both cases, then I may say that the Allies have a clear advantage on that map.

Map statistic from karel88l:

My Map Statistic:

Map Played Won Axis wins AlamHalfa 45 22 49% Anctoville1944 40 22 55% Bardia 38 24 63% Bastogne 100 61 61% BattleOfBrest 64 37 58% Crete1941 56 28 50% ElAlamein 79 49 62% Eppeldorf 120 102 85% FalaisePocket 84 58 69% FallOfTobruk 66 32 48% Gazala 73 47 64% Giarabub 53 26 49% HurtgenForest 68 44 65% Lebisey 61 44 72% MarethLine 48 32 67% MersaMatruh 31 10 32% MeuseRiver 91 63 69% MountOlympus 17 6 35% OperationAberdeen 20 11 55% OperationCobra 82 32 39% OperationGoodwood 69 43 62% OperationHyacinth 27 14 52% OperationLuttich 70 61 87% OperationTotalize 65 42 65% PointeDuHoc 71 51 72% PortEnBessin 64 20 31% PurpleHeartLane 62 31 50% Ramelle 46 26 57% SidiRezegh 27 15 56% SiegeOfTobruk 30 11 37% StLoBreakthrough 65 45 69% Supercharge 55 42 76% TheBattleForSfakia 75 66 88% Tunis1943 25 3 12% VillersBocage 36 26 72% Vossenack 42 26 62%

Map Played Won Axis wins AlamHalfa 17 13 24% Anctoville1944 19 12 37% Bardia 13 9 31% Bastogne 26 13 50% BattleOfBrest 18 11 39% Crete1941 13 8 38% ElAlamein 15 8 47% Eppeldorf 26 6 77% FalaisePocket 27 16 41% FallOfTobruk 13 9 31% Gazala 24 10 58% Giarabub 16 11 31% HurtgenForest 21 11 48% Lebisey 14 5 64% MarethLine 17 8 53% MersaMatruh 15 9 40% MeuseRiver 27 6 78% MountOlympus 10 8 20% OperationAberdeen 12 7* 42% OperationCobra 26 22 15% OperationGoodwood 25 13 48% OperationHyacinth 12 8 33% OperationLuttich 29 5 83% OperationTotalize 21 6 71% PointeDuHoc 27 8 70% PortEnBessin 21 13 38% PurpleHeartLane 29 17 41% Ramelle 18 13 28% SidiRezegh 13 10 23% SiegeOfTobruk 16 11 31% StLoBreakthrough 23 15 35% Supercharge 26 6 77% TheBattleForSfakia 13 7 46% Tunis1943 18 17 6% VillersBocage 13 4 69% Vossenack 11 8 27%

(* different from my profile, because one victory was as Axis)

My conclusion is that prior to 2.45 at least on the following maps Axis had a decisive advantage: Eppeldorf, Meuse River, Op. Luttich, Pointe du Hoc, Supercharge and Villers Bocage, while the Allies have a decisive advantage on Tunis 1943. This balance may be intended or historically correct, I don't really care. It is challenging to play a map, which is hard to win and I often accept this challenge, but for me Supercharge, Villers Bocage and Pointe du Hoc are the limit, while the old Meuse River, Eppeldorf and Op. Luttich maps are no fun at all for me. The same may be the case regarding Tunis 1943 from the Axis point of view.

only grammar was edited