M8 Greyhound/Puma

[CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE]

Recently gotten sweet on the M8 Greyhound, feels awesome to kill Panzer IVs and StuGs with that thing. I find it requires a really light touch on the mouse, and I don't like the sights much, but it's awesome at what it does. I think the best tactic so far is to lie in wait for an enemy vehicle to roll by and then spring out from cover and shoot him in the ass.

Of course, it's just as fun to pretend the throttle is stuck and just fly around the map at top speed, irritating the enemy. My favorite is when I find myself suddenly facing a tank I can't kill and then I drive in circles around it as it spins to try and shoot me .

Anyone got any tips and tricks they want to share? Or anything to talk about the Puma as well, though I don't think I've ever used it. Don't be shy.

[THeTA0123]

http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=2474.msg72366#msg72366

Might help you, but it is a bit old

[CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE]

Anyone know if the M8 Greyhound can penetrate anywhere on a Panther? I often get hit indicators but never do any visible damage, does anyone know the deal? Just from courageous ambushes on Luttich I know the front, back, sides (of turret and hull) can't be hurt, but one the rare occasions I do manage to send a round into the engine deck I don't know if it's doing any damage or not. I once read there was a 'shot trap' on the Panther in FH2, anyone know more about this?

[Surfbird]

I think Theta's link said the cover of the engine is the only viable point to aim for with a M8. It's kinda hard to hit though, because the angle is pretty flat, and I do not know how well shots from that angle penetrate at all.

And even if you hit you will need 1 or 2 shots more on that little same spot again. During that the panther has turned and killed you. I'd just avoid the panther and find a new victim.

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Yeah the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger are basically the only tank the Puma can't deal with

Have seen the Puma absolutely blitz the Axis on our oceana campaign - in the BotB maps

So much forest for it zip through and its speed basically ensured that it was never out of the combat zone for too long.  Watching it zip around all the axis tanks was crazy to watch and allowed the allied shermans to get that much-needed first shot (and often second shot) before the Axis knew what was happening

[Mud Buddha]

Yeah the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger are basically the only tank the Puma can't deal with

Have seen the Puma absolutely blitz the Axis on our oceana campaign - in the BotB maps

So much forest for it zip through and its speed basically ensured that it was never out of the combat zone for too long.  Watching it zip around all the axis tanks was crazy to watch and allowed the allied shermans to get that much-needed first shot (and often second shot) before the Axis knew what was happening

You mean Greyhound right?

But I should give it another chance, the M8. I like the Puma cuz you know it can deal with most allied tanks easily, but the Greyhound takes a while I guess. Use it occasionaly when I'm a scout on a level like Cobra where you can see the heavies coming from a mile away. Hate using it on Luttich, I just run into panters the whole time and get killed without doing anything useful

[CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE]

That's interesting because I feel the exact opposite - Greyhound on Cobra for me usually means death from miles away, while on Luttich I can zip in and out of cover. I still run into Panthers irritatingly more often than I should on Luttich, but jeeps, APCs and the Puma you can take out one-shot head-on, and the tanks apart from the Panther are easy kills, provided you see them first.

The StuG is a bit tricky because of the small part of the rear you can damage it, but you can just drive circles around it until you finish it off. The Panzer IV is a bit harder, because although you need less shots to kill it (often one, and never more than two, to the rear), it has a turret. My strategy is to approach it on an angle and fire the first shot, and then if you don't get a kill, if he starts the turret turning right you gun it and drive straight ahead until you can get the second shot, and if he turns the turret left, you reverse for the same result.

[THeTA0123]

APC rounds should be re-added to M5 and M8. They where very common.

And 6 rounds needed against a panther was pathethic....

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Ya, I meant greyhound haha - the Puma is also pretty damn effective

But given the dominance of the Axis armour, using at as a would-be-mobile AT weapon isn't as much of a pressing issue as it is with the M8

[Butcher]

And 6 rounds needed against a panther was pathethic....

Then make a suggestion.

I also think the Stuart and Greyhound should be able to do damage to the Panther from the side and rear. Seeing that the Puma needs 2 Shots to finish Shermans from those areas I think about 4-5 shots to finish a Panther with 37mm guns would be appropriate. Shermans had slightly less side armour and the 50mm on the Puma packed quite a bigger punch than the 37mm and still needs 2 shots in FH2. Also one should consider the fast reload time compared to the larger calibres on the 37mm. But even I think the Greyhound on Operation Lüttich could do some damage to Panthers.

[THeTA0123]

And 6 rounds needed against a panther was pathethic....

Then make a suggestion.

I also think the Stuart and Greyhound should be able to do damage to the Panther from the side and rear. Seeing that the Puma needs 2 Shots to finish Shermans from those areas I think about 4-5 shots to finish a Panther with 37mm guns would be appropriate. Shermans had slightly less side armour and the 50mm on the Puma packed quite a bigger punch than the 37mm and still needs 2 shots in FH2. Also one should consider the fast reload time compared to the larger calibres on the 37mm. But even I think the Greyhound on Operation Lüttich could do some damage to Panthers.

Actually not on the rear. The rear is 40mm thick just like the sides, but since it is sloped backwards, this increases its rear armour enough to withstand 37mm shells

Its like the same effect the PZIII 5CM gun had against the T34's sloped armour. In theory the shells should penetrate the armour, but they dint because they where to light

[katakulli]

That's interesting because I feel the exact opposite - Greyhound on Cobra for me usually means death from miles away, while on Luttich I can zip in and out of cover.

   I hope those two videos can help. 
 https://vimeo.com/42924007
 https://vimeo.com/43715987

[hyperanthropos]

The Puma is a great vehicle the only problem it has is its turret. It spins around like hell, hopefully this gets fixed for the next patch. I know you can turn the whole vehilce and the turret isnt that important, but the acceleration is so high its still a big problem.

[Berkolok]

i never load ap round because its useless maybe you are a lucky you dont see another tank 

[CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE]

So after a month of trying to just avoid Panthers when I'm in the Greyhound, apparently shots to the road wheels can kill a Panther in 3-4 shots, and two hits to the shot trap will finish it as well.

Nice videos posted above btw.