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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Sgt.KAR98 on 17-01-2010, 01:01:25
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I wonder why the grandfather of panzer family isn´t on FH or FH2.
All the Panzers are on the mod,except the Panzer I.And I strongly believe it was widely used in early WWII.
It would be nice for taking out infantry.
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Pz1's were most numerous during the Polish and French campaigns, where they generally tended to die horribly. If FH2 ever gets to these, then it would be a worthwhile addition, but not really in later campaigns. Some were shipped to Afrika Korps, and these were replaced with Pz2's as soon as possible. Pz1 did see use in the Balkans campaign, so maybe could be used in Olympus (if 9th Panzer still had them at the time). Was again used in small numbers in Barbarossa, where it was finally deemed totally obsolete and unsuitable for Eastern Front anyway.
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Pretty much at the end of 1941 they were obsolete. Most were converted in variants.
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It could be used for Greece, early North Africa (like 1941), and 38 Panzer 1 C types saw action in Normandy 1944
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Would it be possible to give them armour piercing bullets? I don't know much about how their ammo worked, but I remember reading in The Battle for Spain him mentioning about the Pz. I's armour-piercing bullets in tank battles. I don't know if all their bullets were like that or not, but if they were a specialty it would be cool to throw them in.
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Actually theres more older "Panzers" but yeah :D
I kinda support this, not a fan of the Pz1 but yeah.
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Would it be possible to give them armour piercing bullets? I don't know much about how their ammo worked, but I remember reading in The Battle for Spain him mentioning about the Pz. I's armour-piercing bullets in tank battles. I don't know if all their bullets were like that or not, but if they were a specialty it would be cool to throw them in.
Not sure on that, but IIRC, the Panzer 1C (for Normandy) used a strange semi-auto anti-tank rifle and its single MG.
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Early WW2 tanks are the most fun to play with :)
Panzer 1's would be sweet, and would make this mod even more unique.
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Don't be rediculous...we can't have panzer 1, they are too weak and would obviously deteriorate everything thing this mod is about...German Bias...obviously... ::)
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(http://images7.fotki.com/v135/photos/1/133612/1687822/a7v_05-vi.jpg)
This is the real first panzer :P
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i think Kar98 menth the Pzkpf.I, II, III, IV family not the A7V
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i think Kar98 menth the Pzkpf.I, II, III, IV family not the A7V
Just a joke ;)
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Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.
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They have anti-tank machine gun ammo, it was used in the Spanish Civil War. I read a book. I hope that is correct.
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I know A7V is the oldest german tank,but I mean "modern" or Panzers that were made after the Versailles treaty was broke.
In better therms,nazi panzers.
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I want A7V!
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Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.
is that british tank on Crete any better? :P
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is that british tank on Crete any better? :P
Sure.
Light Tank Mk.VIb have 12,7-mm machinegun, he can fight against armored cars, halftracks, and light tanks (PzKpfw.II from sides and rear). Pz.Kpfw.I have 2X7,92-mm machineguns only.
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app app, armour piercing mg rounds :D
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7.92 mm AP rounds must have been only a last-ditch self-defence measure. Or something to ease them minds of the tank crews:
"Just shoot us, we won't go into combat in that paper coffin."
"Don't be so negative, here's some über ARMOUR PIERCING rounds, so you can 1s1k that pesky Matilda."
Nobody in their right mind (Japanese excluded) would have gone into any kind of offensive tank-hunting with a vehicle which any .50 cal weapon will RAEP, saw in half, etc. So Mk VI, Daimler, Marmon III etc. are still superior as they have weapons which have at least some use.
Plus, the Pz1 was produced in smaller numbers than Mk VI and was phased out earlier: in the French campaign, only about 1/5 of German panzers were Pz1's while 9/10 of BEF tanks were Mk VIs. Making Pz1 just for Olympus, Gazala & Siege of Tobruk is meh as long as we're lacking the 37 mm early variant(s) of Pz3 which were actually more numerous at the time. IF we had French/Polish campaign upcoming, then Pz1 would be worth the effort. But even then, 37 mm Pz3 would be more useful from gaming point of view.
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stop being so nasty to it, pz I is an excellent tank at fighting infantry who ever said tanks have to fight tanks to usefull?
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Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.
Course its useful, damnit!
Its not like tractors were useful.
The Panzer 1 is a completly historically correct tank to have for Greece, early North Africa, AND Normandy (cough cough, Panzer 1C was there). Sure its a useless piece of crap tank, but that's part of the reason that we love it, even if it was a death trap.
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Devs should make correct Tiger II turret instead of this.
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But it is correct. Anyway, dont derail.
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7.92 mm AP rounds must have been only a last-ditch self-defence measure. Or something to ease them minds of the tank crews:
"Just shoot us, we won't go into combat in that paper coffin."
"Don't be so negative, here's some über ARMOUR PIERCING rounds, so you can 1s1k that pesky Matilda."
Nobody in their right mind (Japanese excluded) would have gone into any kind of offensive tank-hunting with a vehicle which any .50 cal weapon will RAEP, saw in half, etc. So Mk VI, Daimler, Marmon III etc. are still superior as they have weapons which have at least some use.
In the Spanish Civil War panzer I's were able to take out Republican t-26's at about 150 metres, though generally Republican BA-10's took out any Panzer I's first. Actually the Nationalists used almost as many captured T-26's as Panzer I's, but they still used the ammo.
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I read a book. I hope that is correct.
No thats impossible, you and books. I say incorrect.
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Devs should make correct Tiger II turret instead of this.
Need to kick few lazy asses for this ;D Speech about Tiger II with VK 45.02(P) turret been few years ago.
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Shitty tanks are the most fun to use :)
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In the Spanish Civil War panzer I's were able to take out Republican t-26's at about 150 metres, though generally Republican BA-10's took out any Panzer I's first. Actually the Nationalists used almost as many captured T-26's as Panzer I's, but they still used the ammo.
Yeah, and T-26 (those m1931's with 37 mm in one of the twin turrets, or m1933 with the 45 mm) will take out Pz1 at any range. And we don't have any SCW maps.
Pz1 is an essential part of early war, and yes, it's about as useful as an anti-infantry tank as the Vickers Mk VI. But for current maps and time periods, I still think there are more noteworthy or gameplay-wise useful vehicles. Like the aforementioned Pz3 E/F with the 37 mm KwK36; Humber armoured car for NA; Jagdpanzer IV; Centaur IV; Sherman variants (105, "Zippo", Calliope) etc.
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Oh shit it would be awesome if we had some Spanish Civil War maps.
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In the Spanish Civil War panzer I's were able to take out Republican t-26's at about 150 metres, though generally Republican BA-10's took out any Panzer I's first. Actually the Nationalists used almost as many captured T-26's as Panzer I's, but they still used the ammo.
Yeah, and T-26 (those m1931's with 37 mm in one of the twin turrets, or m1933 with the 45 mm) will take out Pz1 at any range. And we don't have any SCW maps.
Pz1 is an essential part of early war, and yes, it's about as useful as an anti-infantry tank as the Vickers Mk VI. But for current maps and time periods, I still think there are more noteworthy or gameplay-wise useful vehicles. Like the aforementioned Pz3 E/F with the 37 mm KwK36; Humber armoured car for NA; Jagdpanzer IV; Centaur IV; Sherman variants (105, "Zippo", Calliope) etc.
Can we have them all plzzzzzzzzzzz :( I know you guys are doing this for free, I have no complaints :)
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A7V wasn't earliest german tank, this (http://director.io/tanquesyblindados/articulos/1gm/proyectosalemanes/Marienwagen%20http%20strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us.jpg) was earliest german tank, the MarienWagen Gepanzert!
Yes, spanish civil war maps would be badass to the max. Perhaps when earlier fronts arrive, such as early eastern front with early russian and german tanks and planes.
*Fixed
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A7V wasn't earliest german tank, this (http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/bremer_marienwagen_2.jpg) was earliest german tank, the MarienWagen Gepanzert!
Hotlinking forbidden.
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Don't be rediculous...we can't have panzer 1, they are too weak and would obviously deteriorate everything thing this mod is about...German Bias...obviously... ::)
Semovente ::)
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Don't be rediculous...we can't have panzer 1, they are too weak and would obviously deteriorate everything thing this mod is about...German Bias...obviously... ::)
Semovente ::)
Don't underestimate it ;)
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Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.
This one is useful...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/lynce/PanzerFlak.jpg)
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That looks kind of cool too... I approve, it's unique..
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It is a Flak 38 mounted on the chassis. They even converted some to ammo carriers for these units.
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1894/flakmunition.jpg)
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The balkans campain... I read that some three or four times in the last two days...It would be nice to have early Yugoslav-german and German-greek battles or even later with the Tito's Partisans and the Red Army 8)
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I think we can all agree that the devs best focus on the main battles and main tanks instead of small tanks wich where not so common (altough there are some in).
Dont get me wrong I would love to have the panzer 1 I always had a weakness for small crappy tanks and the Panzer 1 - Flammenwerfer would actually be awesome to have ;D (stil hoping on a Neubaufahrzeug for invasion of norway someday )
Ah but we can always dream ;)