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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Sgt.KAR98 on 17-01-2010, 01:01:25

Title: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 17-01-2010, 01:01:25
I wonder why the grandfather of panzer family isn´t on FH or FH2.
All the Panzers are on the mod,except the Panzer I.And I strongly believe it was widely used in early WWII.
It would be nice for taking out infantry.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Kelmola on 17-01-2010, 01:01:48
Pz1's were most numerous during the Polish and French campaigns, where they generally tended to die horribly. If FH2 ever gets to these, then it would be a worthwhile addition, but not really in later campaigns. Some were shipped to Afrika Korps, and these were replaced with Pz2's as soon as possible. Pz1 did see use in the Balkans campaign, so maybe could be used in Olympus (if 9th Panzer still had them at the time). Was again used in small numbers in Barbarossa, where it was finally deemed totally obsolete and unsuitable for Eastern Front anyway.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Yustax on 17-01-2010, 01:01:17
Pretty much at the end of 1941 they were obsolete. Most were converted in variants.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: VonMudra on 17-01-2010, 03:01:56
It could be used for Greece, early North Africa (like 1941), and 38 Panzer 1 C types saw action in Normandy 1944
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 17-01-2010, 04:01:51
Would it be possible to give them armour piercing bullets?  I don't know much about how their ammo worked, but I remember reading in The Battle for Spain him mentioning about the Pz. I's armour-piercing bullets in tank battles.  I don't know if all their bullets were like that or not, but if they were a specialty it would be cool to throw them in.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Torenico on 17-01-2010, 04:01:00
Actually theres more older "Panzers" but yeah :D

I kinda support this, not a fan of the Pz1 but yeah.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: VonMudra on 17-01-2010, 04:01:26
Would it be possible to give them armour piercing bullets?  I don't know much about how their ammo worked, but I remember reading in The Battle for Spain him mentioning about the Pz. I's armour-piercing bullets in tank battles.  I don't know if all their bullets were like that or not, but if they were a specialty it would be cool to throw them in.

Not sure on that, but IIRC, the Panzer 1C (for Normandy) used a strange semi-auto anti-tank rifle and its single MG.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: hankypanky on 17-01-2010, 05:01:40
Early WW2 tanks are the most fun to play with :) 
Panzer 1's would be sweet, and would make this mod even more unique.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Oddball on 17-01-2010, 06:01:19
Don't be rediculous...we can't have panzer 1, they are too weak and would obviously deteriorate everything thing this mod is about...German Bias...obviously... ::)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Desertfox on 17-01-2010, 07:01:12
(http://images7.fotki.com/v135/photos/1/133612/1687822/a7v_05-vi.jpg)

This is the real first panzer :P
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: sn00x on 17-01-2010, 08:01:41
i think Kar98 menth the Pzkpf.I, II, III, IV family not the A7V
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Desertfox on 17-01-2010, 09:01:11
i think Kar98 menth the Pzkpf.I, II, III, IV family not the A7V
Just a joke ;)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Taranov on 17-01-2010, 17:01:19
Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 17-01-2010, 18:01:05
They have anti-tank machine gun ammo, it was used in the Spanish Civil War.  I read a book.  I hope that is correct.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 17-01-2010, 18:01:03
I know A7V is the oldest german tank,but I mean "modern" or Panzers that were made after the Versailles treaty was broke.
In better therms,nazi panzers.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Josh094 on 17-01-2010, 18:01:56
I want A7V!
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: sn00x on 17-01-2010, 18:01:07
Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.

is that british tank on Crete any better? :P
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Taranov on 17-01-2010, 18:01:40
is that british tank on Crete any better? :P

Sure.
Light Tank Mk.VIb have 12,7-mm machinegun, he can fight against armored cars, halftracks, and light tanks (PzKpfw.II from sides and rear). Pz.Kpfw.I have 2X7,92-mm machineguns only.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: sn00x on 17-01-2010, 18:01:51
app app, armour piercing mg rounds :D
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Kelmola on 17-01-2010, 18:01:50
7.92 mm AP rounds must have been only a last-ditch self-defence measure. Or something to ease them minds of the tank crews:
"Just shoot us, we won't go into combat in that paper coffin."
"Don't be so negative, here's some über ARMOUR PIERCING rounds, so you can 1s1k that pesky Matilda."
Nobody in their right mind (Japanese excluded) would have gone into any kind of offensive tank-hunting with a vehicle which any .50 cal weapon will RAEP, saw in half, etc. So Mk VI, Daimler, Marmon III etc. are still superior as they have weapons which have at least some use.

Plus, the Pz1 was produced in smaller numbers than Mk VI and was phased out earlier: in the French campaign, only about 1/5 of German panzers were Pz1's while 9/10 of BEF tanks were Mk VIs. Making Pz1 just for Olympus, Gazala & Siege of Tobruk is meh as long as we're lacking the 37 mm early variant(s) of Pz3 which were actually more numerous at the time. IF we had French/Polish campaign upcoming, then Pz1 would be worth the effort. But even then, 37 mm Pz3 would be more useful from gaming point of view.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: sn00x on 17-01-2010, 18:01:28
stop being so nasty to it, pz I is an excellent tank at fighting infantry who ever said tanks have to fight tanks to usefull?
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: VonMudra on 17-01-2010, 19:01:35
Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.

Course its useful, damnit!

Its not like tractors were useful.

The Panzer 1 is a completly historically correct tank to have for Greece, early North Africa, AND Normandy (cough cough, Panzer 1C was there).  Sure its a useless piece of crap tank, but that's part of the reason that we love it, even if it was a death trap.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 17-01-2010, 19:01:56
Devs should make correct Tiger II turret instead of this.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 17-01-2010, 19:01:24
But it is correct. Anyway, dont derail.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 17-01-2010, 19:01:41
7.92 mm AP rounds must have been only a last-ditch self-defence measure. Or something to ease them minds of the tank crews:
"Just shoot us, we won't go into combat in that paper coffin."
"Don't be so negative, here's some über ARMOUR PIERCING rounds, so you can 1s1k that pesky Matilda."
Nobody in their right mind (Japanese excluded) would have gone into any kind of offensive tank-hunting with a vehicle which any .50 cal weapon will RAEP, saw in half, etc. So Mk VI, Daimler, Marmon III etc. are still superior as they have weapons which have at least some use.

In the Spanish Civil War panzer I's were able to take out Republican t-26's at about 150 metres, though generally Republican BA-10's took  out any Panzer I's first.  Actually the Nationalists used almost as many captured T-26's as Panzer I's, but they still used the ammo.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Fuchs on 17-01-2010, 20:01:08
I read a book.  I hope that is correct.
No thats impossible, you and books. I say incorrect.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Taranov on 17-01-2010, 20:01:02
Devs should make correct Tiger II turret instead of this.

Need to kick few lazy asses for this  ;D Speech about Tiger II with VK 45.02(P) turret been few years ago.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: hankypanky on 17-01-2010, 21:01:11
Shitty tanks are the most fun to use :)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Kelmola on 17-01-2010, 21:01:42
In the Spanish Civil War panzer I's were able to take out Republican t-26's at about 150 metres, though generally Republican BA-10's took  out any Panzer I's first.  Actually the Nationalists used almost as many captured T-26's as Panzer I's, but they still used the ammo.
Yeah, and T-26 (those m1931's with 37 mm in one of the twin turrets, or m1933 with the 45 mm) will take out Pz1 at any range. And we don't have any SCW maps.

Pz1 is an essential part of early war, and yes, it's about as useful as an anti-infantry tank as the Vickers Mk VI. But for current maps and time periods, I still think there are more noteworthy or gameplay-wise useful vehicles. Like the aforementioned Pz3 E/F with the 37 mm KwK36; Humber armoured car for NA; Jagdpanzer IV; Centaur IV; Sherman variants (105, "Zippo", Calliope) etc.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 17-01-2010, 21:01:10
Oh shit it would be awesome if we had some Spanish Civil War maps.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: hankypanky on 17-01-2010, 22:01:10
In the Spanish Civil War panzer I's were able to take out Republican t-26's at about 150 metres, though generally Republican BA-10's took  out any Panzer I's first.  Actually the Nationalists used almost as many captured T-26's as Panzer I's, but they still used the ammo.
Yeah, and T-26 (those m1931's with 37 mm in one of the twin turrets, or m1933 with the 45 mm) will take out Pz1 at any range. And we don't have any SCW maps.

Pz1 is an essential part of early war, and yes, it's about as useful as an anti-infantry tank as the Vickers Mk VI. But for current maps and time periods, I still think there are more noteworthy or gameplay-wise useful vehicles. Like the aforementioned Pz3 E/F with the 37 mm KwK36; Humber armoured car for NA; Jagdpanzer IV; Centaur IV; Sherman variants (105, "Zippo", Calliope) etc.
Can we have them all plzzzzzzzzzzz :( I know you guys are doing this for free, I have no complaints :)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 17-01-2010, 22:01:35
A7V wasn't earliest german tank, this (http://director.io/tanquesyblindados/articulos/1gm/proyectosalemanes/Marienwagen%20http%20strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us.jpg) was earliest german tank, the MarienWagen Gepanzert!

Yes, spanish civil war maps would be badass to the max. Perhaps when earlier fronts arrive, such as early eastern front with early russian and german tanks and planes.

*Fixed
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Slayer on 18-01-2010, 21:01:04
A7V wasn't earliest german tank, this (http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/bremer_marienwagen_2.jpg) was earliest german tank, the MarienWagen Gepanzert!

Hotlinking forbidden.
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: hslan.totaler_humbug on 18-01-2010, 22:01:01
Don't be rediculous...we can't have panzer 1, they are too weak and would obviously deteriorate everything thing this mod is about...German Bias...obviously... ::)
Semovente  ::)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: ajappat on 18-01-2010, 22:01:25
Don't be rediculous...we can't have panzer 1, they are too weak and would obviously deteriorate everything thing this mod is about...German Bias...obviously... ::)
Semovente  ::)
Don't underestimate it  ;)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: gyrfalk on 21-01-2010, 04:01:20
Pz.I not useful for ours maps. He can't do anything against another tanks.

This one is useful...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/lynce/PanzerFlak.jpg)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Oddball on 21-01-2010, 04:01:19
That looks kind of cool too... I approve, it's unique..
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Dukat on 21-01-2010, 20:01:18
It is a Flak 38 mounted on the chassis. They even converted some to ammo carriers for these units.

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1894/flakmunition.jpg)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 21-01-2010, 21:01:25
The balkans campain... I read that some three or four times in the last two days...It would be nice to have early Yugoslav-german and German-greek battles or even later with the Tito's Partisans and the Red Army  8)
Title: Re: The oldest of the panzers
Post by: Wasntmenl on 21-01-2010, 23:01:35
I think we can all agree that the devs best focus on the main battles and main tanks instead of small tanks wich where not so common (altough there are some in).

Dont get me wrong I would love to have the panzer 1 I always had a weakness for small crappy tanks and the Panzer 1 - Flammenwerfer would actually be awesome to have  ;D (stil hoping on a Neubaufahrzeug for invasion of norway someday )

Ah but we can always dream  ;)