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Re: *MASSIVE SPOILERS* The Force Awakens - Discussion
« Reply #45 on: 03-01-2016, 19:01:45 »
Battle of Yavin scene is just like D-Day battle scenes: realistic, procedural, and representing the time of their creation. I also have strong likings for such classic war movies, they are intense in a grand scale. Modern battle scenes are just too focused on single localised overly-dramatised actions.

But here is the main problem in 2015: for a sci-fi, they are quite dated and lacks of the technological refinements that we have today. Teenies, millenials spoiled by their "smartphone" technologies would most likely laughed at: magnetically altered radio voices, monochromatic time-delayed displays (US Navy already has a clear-glass display like the one shown in Yavin rebel base during Vietnam war), dangling equipment cables inside a sophisticated space fighters cockpit, constant-needing of calibration targetting scope, separate targetting computer scope with twitchy mechanism (South Africa already have integrated Helmet Mounted Sight back in 1970s). The shaky cockpit camera shot and their combat very much represents World War 2 era fights. The 1974 General Dynamics F-16 already have "relaxed stability" flight controls by the help of FBW computers.


But the Force Awakens was heralded for "feeling just like the old Star Wars original trilogy".  I disagreed, precisely because it lacked everything you just named.  I don't understand the disconnect.  I love Star Wars, but the new film just didn't feel like Star Wars to me.  I judged it most harshly from the air battle.  I wanted 1977, I got 2015, and I was very unhappy (see also the weird tentacle monster scene).  Why have I not seen anyone else disappointed over this? 

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Re: *MASSIVE SPOILERS* The Force Awakens - Discussion
« Reply #46 on: 03-01-2016, 23:01:39 »
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This guy pretty much nails it, whats wrong with star wars episode 7
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« Reply #47 on: 04-01-2016, 16:01:23 »
The disconnect is of course, the polishing here and there, just like chrome trims in cheap cars: it doesn't disguise the glaring flaw. The audience wants a "Star Wars experience" not a saga like the original trilogy, and of course, the cheap sappy political soap opera that is the prequels.

Well, my only grief is that they throw away so much of the good EU materials for this.

Of course, not all EU materials should made it to the official canon, most are downright cheesy. But Episode VII nevertheless is a dissapoinment over their strict formulaic plot and being overly ambitious at "re-inventing" the wheel, despite the massively available inspirational content from the huge library that is EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNAy7yCMyBw

This guy pretty much nails it, whats wrong with star wars episode 7

Really? I understand the reason why some people doesn't like TFA. But worse than the prequels?

The prequels are consisted of entirely illogical plot leading to Order 66. It makes the whole mythical "Jedi" stuff to be nothing but a bunch of not-so-wise supranatural powered above-the-law-morale-police that plays petty politics. In our universe, they are nothing more than zealot thugs with telekinesis power and lightsaber combat training who preach Zen, while reserving powerful political and military privileges. The Jedi council is so wise beyond any criticism, and so they are trusted over the Republic senate, to throw all their military solution on shady Kaminoan product. Never mind a test drive or service book check. A regular soccer Mom looking for new MPV is already wiser than the entire galaxy, let alone the Jedi council.

Even after combining the intelligence of a whole galaxy, they can't think of any better governance system than the silly "for the democracy". Even Obi-wan cried of that before abandoning Anakin. Yes, democracy is for some of the sentient lifeforms that clearly have bigger trouble controlling their minds and emotions than the humans. It shits heavily on the sequels, making overthrowing Emperor Palpatine to be "not even for the better".

Nevermind Starkiller's massive scientific silliness and insta-visible light years away event. Every Star Wars spaceships makes some sort of noise outside the atmosphere. The opening of the Episode III: RoTS shows two Jedi star fighters doing useless fancy maneuvers just to show off their new CGI prowess. Heck, new year's firework display clearly have sound delay after the flash due to massive difference between the speed of light and sound. However, in almost every Hollywood movie, every sound effect is action-synched.