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« Reply #225 on: 17-03-2014, 17:03:29 »
i think  these guys only wanna make the world think they are tough.

like 99% of gangbangin' gangstas
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that gangsters from the street are probably tougher than you.  Living in abject poverty does that to you.

Yes, they must be tougher than me..

But the problem here is not how much they are tough compared to other people - the problem is than they did all this shit just for us to think they can beat the shit out of everyone.

But sometimes, they born that way... because capitalism educated them that way... to get well in live, you need to be strong, figth, and dont care about what the others think of you - if you are an tough gangsa, keep doing it! nobody gives a single fuck... people can bitch, but nothing can be done because capitalism will always raise people like this in their society...

Indeed i would get my ass kicked of if one of those aproached me... but ey, we can always change atitude, i can be an "polite" gangster rigth? (i guess?)

Anyway, put your faults in capitalism.

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« Reply #226 on: 17-03-2014, 18:03:24 »
If F-22 didn't suffer from teething problems like Oxygen supply system, I think F-22A is no match for any fighters in production as of today. I am saying this as an American hater.

Pretty sure, the 2012 Red Flag results (Eurofighter Typhoon got 'kill lock' on F-22 during dog fight), and many other anecdotes are just people pissing on F-22A's somewhat bloated reputation. But frankly, in real combat, F-22 is like the Koenigstiger, nearly invincible but not without flaws. For instance, unlike the Typhoon, the Raptor is stealth from ground up. It's radar is far more capable in air superiority role than Typhoon's Captor-E. The only thing that Typhoon clealry win is ground attack capability.

About the price, in 2006's USD, approximately, F-22A was around 178 million. Typhoon was 74 million, F-35A (at that time) was 45 million, now it is more than 100 million. Rafale-C was 117 million, Super Hornet was 55 million, and lastly, Grippen was 40 million. The quoted sum was approximate flyaway cost, not an actual price tag.

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« Reply #227 on: 17-03-2014, 18:03:42 »


Yes, they must be tougher than me..

But the problem here is not how much they are tough compared to other people - the problem is than they did all this shit just for us to think they can beat the shit out of everyone.

But sometimes, they born that way... because capitalism educated them that way... to get well in live, you need to be strong, figth, and dont care about what the others think of you - if you are an tough gangsa, keep doing it! nobody gives a single fuck... people can bitch, but nothing can be done because capitalism will always raise people like this in their society...

Indeed i would get my ass kicked of if one of those aproached me... but ey, we can always change atitude, i can be an "polite" gangster rigth? (i guess?)

Anyway, put your faults in capitalism.

Yes, capitalism invented street thugs. Nice one kid.
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« Reply #228 on: 17-03-2014, 18:03:34 »
compared to F-35 and F-22 it is ok in price i think. I also read about an exercise in Alaska where German Eurofighter pilots were spotted with multiple F-22 killmarkings, so they can be compared i guess.

If it was up to me to decide the planes, i'd modernise a few F-16 so we could still deliver the nukes if needed, and add a few Eurofighters for air superiority roles.
I do like the Gripen, but i thought i read somewhere that it wasn't capable of delivering nukes.

Well the Eurofighter came up short against the Rafale during the MMRCA trials because the french could lower the price. Pissed Britan off to no end.

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« Reply #229 on: 17-03-2014, 18:03:16 »
Why has the Eurofighter fallen out of favour? It's still my favourite plane of the moment i guess



Well the Eurofighter came up short against the Rafale during the MMRCA trials because the french could lower the price. Pissed Britan off to no end.
Thats why. The swedish and French are currently offering great prices aswel, so they arent out of the competition. I think the biggest problem would be that the Americans allow licensed production, wich the swedes/french are not so fond off.

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« Reply #230 on: 17-03-2014, 19:03:19 »


Yes, they must be tougher than me..

But the problem here is not how much they are tough compared to other people - the problem is than they did all this shit just for us to think they can beat the shit out of everyone.

But sometimes, they born that way... because capitalism educated them that way... to get well in live, you need to be strong, figth, and dont care about what the others think of you - if you are an tough gangsa, keep doing it! nobody gives a single fuck... people can bitch, but nothing can be done because capitalism will always raise people like this in their society...

Indeed i would get my ass kicked of if one of those aproached me... but ey, we can always change atitude, i can be an "polite" gangster rigth? (i guess?)

Anyway, put your faults in capitalism.

Yes, capitalism invented street thugs. Nice one kid.

Not necesseraly invented but it did help in creating them.

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« Reply #232 on: 19-03-2014, 15:03:23 »


Yes, they must be tougher than me..

But the problem here is not how much they are tough compared to other people - the problem is than they did all this shit just for us to think they can beat the shit out of everyone.

But sometimes, they born that way... because capitalism educated them that way... to get well in live, you need to be strong, figth, and dont care about what the others think of you - if you are an tough gangsa, keep doing it! nobody gives a single fuck... people can bitch, but nothing can be done because capitalism will always raise people like this in their society...

Indeed i would get my ass kicked of if one of those aproached me... but ey, we can always change atitude, i can be an "polite" gangster rigth? (i guess?)

Anyway, put your faults in capitalism.

Yes, capitalism invented street thugs. Nice one kid.

Not necesseraly invented but it did help in creating them.
Capitalism, no not really, but the American system did.  People born on the streets of B-More or the Bronx or wherever have absolutely no opportunities. I hope not to sound condescending, but these poor and mainly black people don't have the chance to go to university or get a stable job like you or I do.  Is there any surprise that so many people have to turn to dealing drugs to get by?  That situation means you have to be tough - I would still think that they are tougher than you.  Looking down upon them as "street thugs" is just as much a part of the problem.  It smacks of racism and condescension.  They're people too.  I highly suggest you watch the HBO series The Wire, it does a much better job arguing this than me.  As Marcus Aurelius said, poverty is the mother of crime.  It's not the other way around.

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« Reply #233 on: 19-03-2014, 17:03:41 »
Actually capitalism is much more complicated, and most people completely have no idea about it.

So we are arguing from the stand point of "starting difficulty." Some people are born with "insane level" pre-selected for their game of life. Some people are born on "easy" setting, born to the wealthy family or an heir to power. I hate it when people try to justify their bad behavior based on their own perspective. So here are components of Capitalism:

The Chiefs
Many corporate leaders don't really work from the bottom. They just move around after messing about in the previous company. They never own business, or start it from ground up and making an actual contribution to the economy system instead of turning it into a very complex and inefficient machine by creating elaborate management structure that costs more than making the actual goods. Well, maybe because they care more about making good show than good products.

The Capitalists
Then there is this thing called investors, who can become your stakeholders. The way I see it, they should be the one providing the cash needed to feed all the workers, to buy them new tools, and to keep the factory running, and that's it! They will get their money back, as much as they contribute, and all they need to do is wish the team all the best. But in our capitalism, these people also have the loudest voice, and granted, the voice must be heard. Capitalism worship this idea, because it is the essence of it. While in reality, all they can say is "why Yahoo! no make social media? It's their mistake, no wonder their stock is falling!" "why Nokia no make iPhone! No wonder they lose competition!" "why Microsoft no make Apple? That's why they lose the consumer market!" Basically, they are the every reason why the world today is lack of innovation and stopped being creative. All they want is quick money and then out! Sucking the juices dry. "To hell with long-term investment!" "To hell with sustainable growth!"

The Preachers
Steve Jobs, being a well-known douchebag himself, was very combative towards these loud investors, that's why Apple was quite hip back then, and the whole Wall Street fat cats shut the hell up and started singing his tunes. The consumer market was already 6 years ahead of all those so-called expert financial analysts and stock brokers in worshiping whatever Apple put on their stores. All because, like my brother put it: "analysts got the job because the market is inefficient, meaning that the flow of information is not balanced." He added "so, in order to make the job more lucrative, analysts tend to create the misinformation, or deliberately make the situation more complicated than it actually is." And some just totally refuse to believe that they have been beaten by the market force itself.

The Workers
Then there is what they call "labours." Equally self-serving as the chiefs and as narrow-minded as how much tool set they get to learn. The workers has every reason to be paid attention to by the management. After all, they are where most of the value creation lies. And a good business strategy is the one that increase the values, all in a while, increasing stakeholder's value too, the very goal of capitalism. But sadly, it never worked that way. Some workers are just plain leech, no productivity, just latching into a host and dies away on its own. But if the lessons from the downfall of communism and Lee Harvey Oswald's experience might say, can the labours lead by the labours?
Well, Karl Marx imagined that labours are intellect, passionate, and hard working people. But many who jump into politics, organise strikes, and form unions (and be the union bosses), are the leeches. Like the Comintern, they lack credibility other than kissing each other's ass. They can't get out from their comfortable shell. Like Viktor Chernomyrdin, Russian ex-president said: "Whatever organisation we try to create, it always ends up looking like the Communist Party."

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« Reply #234 on: 19-03-2014, 20:03:07 »
If F-22 didn't suffer from teething problems like Oxygen supply system, I think F-22A is no match for any fighters in production as of today. I am saying this as an American hater.

Pretty sure, the 2012 Red Flag results (Eurofighter Typhoon got 'kill lock' on F-22 during dog fight), and many other anecdotes are just people pissing on F-22A's somewhat bloated reputation. But frankly, in real combat, F-22 is like the Koenigstiger, nearly invincible but not without flaws. For instance, unlike the Typhoon, the Raptor is stealth from ground up. It's radar is far more capable in air superiority role than Typhoon's Captor-E. The only thing that Typhoon clealry win is ground attack capability.

About the price, in 2006's USD, approximately, F-22A was around 178 million. Typhoon was 74 million, F-35A (at that time) was 45 million, now it is more than 100 million. Rafale-C was 117 million, Super Hornet was 55 million, and lastly, Grippen was 40 million. The quoted sum was approximate flyaway cost, not an actual price tag.

That's why everyone should get F-16's on steroids :D The Block 50/52+'s or the Block 60's with the AESA radars, JHMCS compatibility, conformal fuel tanks and the AIM-9X's to pair up with the AIM-120C7's. Pretty effective force with much less money spent. Plus when you compare an F-16's cost per flight hour compared to many others, its cheaper on that end too. :D
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« Reply #235 on: 19-03-2014, 21:03:57 »
Or souped up MiG 21s. The F16 was judged somewhat crappier than the souped up MiG during the AMCA trials.

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« Reply #236 on: 19-03-2014, 21:03:38 »
Or souped up MiG 21s. The F16 was judged somewhat crappier than the souped up MiG during the AMCA trials.

The MiG 21 is still produced? :o And if it is, which version was tested in AMCA? From what I remember the IAF (Indian) had horrible experiences with their MiG 21's constantly crashing, although that doesn't necessarily mean it was the planes fault, if the Indian's weren't maintaining it properly.
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« Reply #237 on: 19-03-2014, 21:03:58 »
MiG-21 is surprisingly, a very upgradable aircraft..
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« Reply #238 on: 19-03-2014, 21:03:46 »
Or souped up MiG 21s. The F16 was judged somewhat crappier than the souped up MiG during the AMCA trials.

The MiG 21 is still produced? :o And if it is, which version was tested in AMCA? From what I remember the IAF (Indian) had horrible experiences with their MiG 21's constantly crashing, although that doesn't necessarily mean it was the planes fault, if the Indian's weren't maintaining it properly.

No, Our Media likes to constantly cry about it too. The Germans lost far more Starfighters than we lost MiGs, but idiots will howl like they must. The MiG has only recently been stopped upgrading, and has been replaced with the LCA, it is small and stealthy. The current MiGs with the ELTA pods didn't show up on AESA radars.

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« Reply #239 on: 20-03-2014, 04:03:44 »
Well, some Indian in Cracked tell us a story about his father, a MiG-21 pilot. The plane is called the "widow maker" for a reason. His father ejected twice, and on both occasion, he has to fly deadheading and cleared from any wrongdoings. So, after the 2nd ejection, his backbone compacted, and now relegated into flying cargo planes.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20991_5-reasons-flying-fighter-jet-way-crazier-than-top-gun.html

We also have MiG-21, a beautiful sleek-looking plane. But their small wings, mean that they have a very very low wing loading, and that semi-delta wing also means they are not particularly easy to control during tight turns. What our Air Force veterans say is that it is obviously very fast (clean aerodynamics), but not very good at controls, it easily spin out of control. MiG-17 is deemed far more agile and more controllable, but very slow.

Maybe the Indian Air Force is looking for interceptor. In that case, the MiG-21 shines more than F-16, because it has one of the fastest acceleration to Mach 2.0, behind English Electric Lightning and the famous Concorde passenger jet. Yes, not even the famed F-15 or MiG-29 or Su-27 can catch them when they dash for it. Or maybe, they just hate the F-16 because Pakistani is using it. LOL

BTW, I was quoting the cost for Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1, the Tranche 2 version is probably very similar to Rafale-C's current price. I haven't seen any data for the new flyaway costs.