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Forgotten Hope 2 => General Discussion => Topic started by: Folkhoer on 07-09-2009, 16:09:09
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Ok ok, 2.2 has only released for 2 days but I am curious as hell: What will the future hold :P?
Are you immediatly going to work on the new version? Or first a patch for 2.2?
And is it already decided what the next theather of war will be?
Battle of the bulge? Market garden? East front? Pacific?
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I think for the most developers it will be vacation :D
Some bugs will be squashed and I think work is started on Juno beach (See mod files), perhaps Omaha beach ?!
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Where do you see this info about Juno beach?
I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see a full urban map (like streets of Berlin in FH1).
Fighting in the ruins of Caen would be awesome as hell.
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What next? What next you ask? Well sir, the next we will have... oh noes, black helicopters!
/me tries to hide.
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Where do you see this info about Juno beach?
I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see a full urban map (like streets of Berlin in FH1).
Fighting in the ruins of Caen would be awesome as hell.
You can see some references to it from the change log file. http://ifihada.com/~jbp/fh2pub/release-2.2/changelog.txt (http://ifihada.com/~jbp/fh2pub/release-2.2/changelog.txt)
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Where do you see this info about Juno beach?
I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see a full urban map (like streets of Berlin in FH1).
Fighting in the ruins of Caen would be awesome as hell.
You can see some references to it from the change log file. http://ifihada.com/~jbp/fh2pub/release-2.2/changelog.txt (http://ifihada.com/~jbp/fh2pub/release-2.2/changelog.txt)
Yep, read most the changelog while downloading 2.2... A couple of intresting things i Found:
* Luftfaust (sethsoldier)
* Volksgewehr 45 (sethsoldier)
I found a few more intresting things, but I keep em for myself. ;) Also the new statistics and rewards are supposed to go live "in one month aprox." ...
Source: http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=1863.0
Awards page: http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/
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I'm just going to guess based on the changelog:
Omaha.
And the first screenshot of Normandy was the Caen map, right?
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Omaha?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Thorondor123/juno.jpg)
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Aw, give the devs a rest for at least a week.
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Yep, read most the changelog while downloading 2.2... A couple of intresting things i Found:
* Luftfaust (sethsoldier)
* Volksgewehr 45 (sethsoldier)
I found a few more intresting things, but I keep em for myself. ;)
Some more interesting things I won't keep for myself ;)
Weapons:
* Volksgewehr K98 (sethsoldier)
* LeuchtPistole m34 and KampfPistole mit Wurfgranatpatrone 326 (sethsoldier)
* Luftwaffe M30 Drilling (sethsoldier)
* 03a03 (sethsoldier)
* An other toy for fff (sethsoldier)
Levels/statics:
* Add Battle of Keren for testing (ctz)
* Anctoville Mapdescription and Gamemode Discription. (toddel)
* Juno beach wall update - with bullet holes (smig) one of many references
* Operation Cobra update (lobo) one of many references
* Small Overlord changes (mrcheese) one of many references
* New version of villers-bocage from guderian (ctz)
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
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What next? What next you ask? Well sir, the next we will have... oh noes, black helicopters!
/me tries to hide.
FLIPPY!!! NOOOO!!!!!
I also found ONE item in the changelog wich made me say= DOUBLE-U T F MATE?
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
Awesome thanks for the update
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre[/] of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
Was that sarcasm? Oh, and the smaller releases, will the contain new maps :) ?
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I'm just going to guess based on the changelog:
Omaha.
And the first screenshot of Normandy was the Caen map, right?
No, that turned into Lebisey. (which incidentally is an amazing map, GJ guys)
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Winter maps FTW. :)
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
So the new theatre is already decided ;D? I am so curious what it is
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
So the new theatre is already decided ;D? I am so curious what it is
You will know it in a update, like everybody. I really hope for the pacific.
Here my preference
Pacific
Western Europe
Eastern Europe
Early War
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really interesting Made the no4 fire the correct round, was firing a japanese 7.7mm round (ctz) hint at pacific as next theatre?
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not really, there are all sorts of bullets and shells in the mod just waiting to get used.
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I'm pretty certain the next theatre will be Market Garden or some other 'late Western Front' theatre. Easier for the devs to expand on what we have. Also, the integration of some FHT Italy maps.
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ah.bum.
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I'm pretty certain the next theatre will be Market Garden or some other 'late Western Front' theatre. Easier for the devs to expand on what we have. Also, the integration of some FHT Italy maps.
Yeah I am also expecting that, they can re-use allot of stuff then
But I am looking forward to the battle of the bulge :P
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I'm pretty certain the next theatre will be Market Garden or some other 'late Western Front' theatre. Easier for the devs to expand on what we have. Also, the integration of some FHT Italy maps.
Exactly what I expect too. The next release should be a lot easier for our devs, I don't think there's many more weapons, vehicles, or factions to add for the rest of the Western Theater. Just wrapping up Normandy and moving on from Market Garden to the Ardennes and adding Italy perhaps. Also, if Keren is in the next release, does that mean you're adding the French and/or Indian British divisions? Or am I thinking of the wrong Keren? Anyways, I must give credit to y'all, you come up with the most minutely specific maps. I'd have been happy with the very broad missions like D-Day or Carentan/Caen as a whole that most games do, but you guys do the specific but epic fights nobody's heard of. Awesome.
In regards to the Pacific, if the Japanese round is 7.7mm does that mean you're not giving them their average 6.5mm rifles? I could see why, as it'd be murder for the poor Japanese dudes with the crap rifles, just curious however. And I know it's a far future thing, but are you thinking of making a Kokoda Track map? Might as well considering you've already got the Aussies. I saw bits of the Kokoda movie, very cool and scary.
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If I was the dev team I would concentrate on one big new theatre (eastern front or ardennes or whatever), while the mappers keep making maps for Normandy, that are released in small batches, keeping interest up.
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Yep, read most the changelog while downloading 2.2... A couple of intresting things i Found:
* Luftfaust (sethsoldier)
* Volksgewehr 45 (sethsoldier)
I found a few more intresting things, but I keep em for myself. ;)
Some more interesting things I won't keep for myself ;)
Weapons:
* Volksgewehr K98 (sethsoldier)
* LeuchtPistole m34 and KampfPistole mit Wurfgranatpatrone 326 (sethsoldier)
* Luftwaffe M30 Drilling (sethsoldier)
* 03a03 (sethsoldier)
* An other toy for fff (sethsoldier)
Levels/statics:
* Add Battle of Keren for testing (ctz)
* Anctoville Mapdescription and Gamemode Discription. (toddel)
* Juno beach wall update - with bullet holes (smig) one of many references
* Operation Cobra update (lobo) one of many references
* Small Overlord changes (mrcheese) one of many references
* New version of villers-bocage from guderian (ctz)
Villers Bocage and Battle of Keren are both maps done by betatesters Guderian and Schism respectively. They made enough progress to be tested, but if they are ever added to the mod only time will tell.
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Omaha referenced in changelog for 1.4.294. Overlord and Operation Cobra were in the stage advanced enough to test it on the FH2 test server.
As for Japanese having crappy rifles it could be alleviated by giving them more tickets (representing advantage in manpower) or other gameplay tweaks. In PR in “insurgency” game mode insurgents or Taliban use sometimes real crap and old weapons (like SVT clone with no zoom in iron sights pitted against American SAW with awesome optics) but that doesn’t mean that Americans with helicopters and APCs win every time.
Russian developer on fh2.ru semi-jokingly referenced more things to come after that diesel locomotive in Normandy. We might, just might, see a functioning armoured train. ;)
P. S. Releasing new Normandy or other maps could be done alongside with bug-fixing patches (and they shall be, for bugs are popping up in new maps, although so far nothing major).
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I don't think gameplay tweaks are necessary because it seems they might just get the Type 99 rifle, which was okay. I think they started making them by the time the Americans entered the war, just wasn't as common as the older 38 model. Either way, it was about as crappy as the Carcano, same round size at least, but they got that to perform just fine ingame. So I'm not worried. Either way, I'd like to see the Russians get released before the Japanese because they simply have better and more awesome weapons and everything regardless. You can't say you ain't excited for the chance at SVTs, Mosin-Nagants, Ppsh submachine-guns, MiGs, T-34s, Stalin tanks, and the chance to spam the charge button to yell "URAAAA!"
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chance to spam the charge button to yell "URAAAA!"
For the Motherland!
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I was actually surprised how bug free the release was. I've only seen 2 things so far, and one of those might not have been a bug after all.
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oh you have no idea ...
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/me slaps Die_happys mouth
Yeah this is super Bugfree. for 2.0 we release with 200+ Known bugs.
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It was approximately 1 month after the release of 2.0 that normandy was announced, going by that logic we should find out what the next theatre is in one month!
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Tell me if im wrong,but i dont understand why you choose two different models for the germans.Such as the wermacht,and have different models for Camouflaged german troops.Yet there was no imput on creating paratrooper models for the US troops.Why is that?a little favoritism? lol
Never the less,i enjoy the mod greatly.It has the potential to be a stand-alone game.
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If its favoritism, then why are the germans lacking fallschrimjägers from both Purple Heart Lane and Invasion of Crete? Not to forget Gebirgsjägers are missing from Sfakia??
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Not to forget Gebirgsjägers are missing from Sfakia??
No they're not.
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They are. They are only reskinned DAK models... Toddel told me!
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Also, remember the 200 different M4 medium tanks and just one Panzer IV.
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If its favoritism, then why are the germans lacking fallschrimjägers from both Purple Heart Lane and Invasion of Crete? Not to forget Gebirgsjägers are missing from Sfakia??
You bring a good point,but remember fh1 had fallschrimjägers on crete and other maps. Yet they kept the original infantry model for the US?
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FH and FH2 are totally different deals. And the thing with the old FH is that they all were the same model. They just had new skins. And the american ones were good for pretty much any map they had and if needed, they made marines or navy uniforms for them. Even PHL on FH had airborne skins for the americans.
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Really?wow..i need to refresh my memory.Totally forgot PHL had airborne skins. :/
Thanks for the imput.
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Dont worry be happy. I could bet that later on when theres more time and resource to do these things, there will be proper models for those that are lacking right now.
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Tell me if im wrong,but i dont understand why you choose two different models for the germans.Such as the wermacht,and have different models for Camouflaged german troops.Yet there was no imput on creating paratrooper models for the US troops.Why is that?a little favoritism? lol
But really, next to a patch of an eagle, their issent much diffrence between US Uniforms, as far as i know
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No, it was very diferent, some day...
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US Army:
(http://teachingamericanhistorymd.net/000001/000000/000055/images/385Inf1942_opt.jpg)
Airborne:
(http://ww2ky.moreheadstate.edu/images/airborne.jpg)
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Warrior beat me to the punch :(
@Flippy:Too true bro.
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Airborne skins for the US are just placeholders. Only time will tell what happens to them.
And actually, we have 4 Panzer IV variants.
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Ha! Favuvoirrtsmssm!
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Pacific front or Hurtgen Forest next please.
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Yea, I hope we can get some paratrooper models for both US and Germany some day! :(
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I've always been a fan of the eastern front, bring on the ruskies. ;D
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Russians, that's what we want. Always wanted to shoot ruskies :P.
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I like all theatres of war so it doesn't really matter to me that much. But I think the Pacific theatre would make sense, since it would keep the large American community playing longer. The only problem I can think of would be the naval combat. But then again, if naval combat is implemented successfully, it would bring a HUGE amount of attention to the mod.
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I like all theatres of war so it doesn't really matter to me that much. But I think the Pacific theatre would make sense, since it would keep the large American community playing longer. The only problem I can think of would be the naval combat. But then again, if naval combat is implemented successfully, it would bring a HUGE amount of attention to the mod.
The biggest strength I can see in going Pacific is the variety factor. That's the best part about Normandy -- it provided a big gameplay shift from North Africa.
That said, it would also be smart to include a theater that builds on content that they already have in FH2, like the Eastern or late Western fronts.
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Airborne skins for the US are just placeholders. Only time will tell what happens to them.
And actually, we have 5 Panzer IV variants.
^ Fixed. ;)
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Would be happy with whatever could be put out the fastest to maintain the popularity of the mod.
But lets face it what ever the devs choose everyone knows it will be done to a great standard.
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Vote for eastern front from here too. Would love to see some dense forests and plains..maybe even finnish vs russian map. And Stalingrad of course. 8)
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Russians, that's what we want. Always wanted to shoot ruskies :P.
I second that. I hope they add the Winter War and Continuation war eventually.
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They always forget Lapland War. :(
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Next theatre will be Manchuria. For shure!
But wait...
No...
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Maybe Battle for France, Germany (including battle at Ardennes 1944-1945)
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I reckon we'll see two patches a la 2.1 and 2.15 adding the Normandy maps we're still waiting on and some more 'outside Normandy' maps. Then maybe a 'big patch' that adds a do-able but 'big difference' theatre, eg the Bulge.
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Whats next?
Moar Churchills tanks please!
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I so hope the next new front will be Pacific. Eastern (make a new updated version of Soletschnogorsk!) or Bulge would be nice choices too.
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FINLAAAAAAAND!
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Let's think. We have '44 Allied and '44 German hardware (with some '45 stuff in changelog). Late Western Front (Battle of France, Arnhem, the Bulge, Hürtgen Forest, crossing the Rhine at Remagen, and so forth) would not need so much in the way of new units or weapons mostly only new statics (British, US and German paratroopers would be perhaps the most important new additions, though they could use "placeholder" skins; maybe M26 Pershing for '45 maps, but it was so rare that it's not strictly necessary; Thunderbolt, Lightning or Mustang as the American ground support aircraft would be a nice surprise). This I would see more as a "2.21" or "2.25" rather than completely new version, since it would build on 2.2 contents and gameplay.
Of course, there's the Italian front, but that could be left to certain mappacks (FHT? WaW?), updated with 2.2 stuff, maybe adjusted after a couple of "theme weekends" like the one we just had, and then offered to the public (if the mapmakers would be so generous to the community).
The next big thing - 2.3 or 2.4 - would IMHO logically be the Eastern Front, perhaps built "backwards", from late-war towards early war, since there's already plenty of late-war German hardware available (early Eastern Front would require extensive reskinning from African colours to Eastern Front camouflage).
I'm not so keen about the Pacific. It would offer mostly infantry combat (tank-to-tank would be rather frustrating for the poor Japanese), while naval combat has been said to be problematic. Also, it has been rather overcovered in a million other FPS's already. Sure, it would thrill the Americans. The Europeans? Not so sure.
Eastern Front, however, would truly be a "forgotten" (from the American, not European point of view). Plus it would offer huge variety; from epic tanking on the open steppes (Prokhorovka, anyone?) to infantry-heavy cityfights (Berlin, Stalingrad) to chaotic skirmishes in thick forest (me wants the Finnish front, too!).
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I reckon we'll see two patches a la 2.1 and 2.15 adding the Normandy maps we're still waiting on and some more 'outside Normandy' maps. Then maybe a 'big patch' that adds a do-able but 'big difference' theatre, eg the Bulge.
I would like that.
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If devs undertake winter stuff (terrain, statics, uniforms) it could lead to Eastern Front, and Ardennes counteroffensive, and more obscure stuff like Norway and Talvisota (Winter War). But I don know if it’s possible to simulate snowpiles, tree wells and the such. With all the winter fun that comes with it. Oh yea, and mountaneers with skis shooting from the hip on a mad dash down the mountainside in Bond-like fashion.
Using tournament maps is quite questionable. While some of them aren’t bad (next week’s WaW’s Garigliano Crossing is actually quite nice), most of the time they’re too raw and full of bugs. Sometimes ridiculous stuff, like one of FHT’s Italian maps where railroad goes into the tunnel, which comes out on the other side of the hill on the same axis, but at, like, 30° angle, without accounting for the curve (it simply not there). They could, indeed, use some of the nicer statics, though, there are some.
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I guess the next logical step for the Devs would be Italian Theatre, because we have lots of Axis and Allied stuff used there , off course some things are missed yet.
And the later Westernfront, Bulge,Hurtgen,Arnhem and so forth...
Easternfront inclusive Karelianfront would be a very great new scenario also because it is a must have for an historical WW2 Mod like FH2 imho.
But i think it`ll take some month or at least years to realise, think about all those statics and new Units which must been made by the Devs.
But hell , i would love to have fierce battles at Bryansk , Kiev , Staraja Russa, Stalingrad, Sevastopol , Kharkiv etc... !
Btw,
Pacific Scenarion would be a whole new Warfare Expirience, imagine Japanese Bayonett/Sword charges in thick claustrophobic Jungle areas, would be a great addition...
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
That was pretty much what I expected. Same drill as after the first release:
1) Bug squash. Not all but the worst of the bugs that were known or popped up after release.
2) More maps. Several new desert maps came out in the subsequent maps after the first release. I think if you search the posts, some dev somewhere said there were quite a few maps in development. But basically they have the tools now to do almost any summer battle in Western Europe (including Italy).
3) Next theater. I will bet anything you wish it is gonna be the Eastern Front. I love Pacific, but eastern front maps were HUGELY popular in FH1.
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The Pacific theatre would be great to draw in those american players. My only concern is all this talk about boats and how difficult they are to work with in BF2...
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Pacific Scenarion would be a whole new Warfare Expirience, imagine Japanese Bayonett/Sword charges in thick claustrophobic Jungle areas, would be a great addition...
We can wait. 1943 comes out in a week or so on PC. :) I wish they had Invasion of the Philippines update in it.
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The Pacific theatre would be great to draw in those american players. My only concern is all this talk about boats and how difficult they are to work with in BF2...
Sure ,Navalwarfare was very important at the Pacific theatre along with Airwarfare, but there were enough landbattles think about British-Japanese Burma Frontier, the defence and reconquest of the Philippines, the Japanese Malayan Invasion or Kokodatrail on New-Guinea...
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Pacific Scenarion would be a whole new Warfare Expirience, imagine Japanese Bayonett/Sword charges in thick claustrophobic Jungle areas, would be a great addition...
We can wait. 1943 comes out in a week or so on PC. :) I wish they had Invasion of the Philippines update in it.
It's been pushed back to 2010. But will have 32 players rather than 24.
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Pacific Scenarion would be a whole new Warfare Expirience, imagine Japanese Bayonett/Sword charges in thick claustrophobic Jungle areas, would be a great addition...
We can wait. 1943 comes out in a week or so on PC. :) I wish they had Invasion of the Philippines update in it.
It's been pushed back to 2010. But will have 32 players rather than 24.
Yeah, but who needs such an A historical arcade wannabe Pacific scenario ? Not me and i guess lots of others also didnt like the way EA shows the Pacific...
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
Little OT question:
Does the expression "To press your thumbs" exist in english?
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Oh, blast, Meadow, I didn’t know that. I was drooling all over it. :)
Dreckwurst, it may not be as realistic, but it’s still fun and a great treat and will do, while we wait for new stuff in FH2 those long winter evenings.
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Dreckwurst, it may not be as realistic, but it’s still fun and a great treat and will do, while we wait for new stuff in FH2 those long winter evenings.
Nah, not for me its only money making from EA nothing more...also 24 or maybe 32 Players isnt nice imo.
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I would love to see 2-3 italy maps, being optimistic, although I don't know if there is sufficient interest. Battle of the Bulge/ Market Garden/ Crossing the Rhine/ More Normandy Maps would all only serve to stimulate player numbers, I'm sure.
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The one map have I have always wanted to see above all others would be the Warsaw Uprising, but the team appears to not like them partisans much.
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Although they were partisants it was a full scale battle over a city so it could make for a great map.
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I was just thinking about it the other day. Partisan concept could be explored much the same way insurgents/Taliban are in Project Reality. They have crappier weapons and rag-tag load-outs (including fun stuff like Molotov Cocktail), but game balanced in particular gameplay mode (some sort of objective mode) to even up the chances.
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
Little OT question:
Does the expression "To press your thumbs" exist in english?
Keeping your fingers crossed. I had no clue what the hell Toddel was talking about until yesterday when I was playing with some of my 130th mates from Germany and one of them started spouting off some shit about pressing thumbs.
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Nah, not for me its only money making from EA nothing more...also 24 or maybe 32 Players isnt nice imo.
All titles released by any publisher will bring income to that publisher, so he can send money to the gaming studios where the creative artists sits all day and create games for you and me. EA haven't made bf1943, it is a free and inspired projects by pioneer producers and designers at Dice. To be honest: bf1943 is the most "mod" like game they've made, Im surprised people arent thrilled by it. It is really unusual for a studio to let their employees make a mod and experiment like this... and so cheap!..
Think about bf1943 as if DICE would hire Toddel, Lobo, Ctz, Kev4000, Gunnie, Zero, Remdul and Fenring to make a WW2 mod for Frostbite. Because that is more the truth than "EA cashing in on arcade crap" that most people seems to think.
I havent seen the PC beta yet, so I cant tell if it is good, but the premises are awesome.
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Nah, not for me its only money making from EA nothing more...also 24 or maybe 32 Players isnt nice imo.
All titles released by any publisher will bring income to that publisher, so he can send money to the gaming studios where the creative artists sits all day and create games for you and me. EA haven't made bf1943, it is a free and inspired projects by pioneer producers and designers at Dice. To be honest: bf1943 is the most "mod" like game they've made, Im surprised people arent thrilled by it. It is really unusual for a studio to let their employees make a mod and experiment like this... and so cheap!..
Think about bf1943 as if DICE would hire Toddel, Lobo, Ctz, Kev4000, Gunnie, Zero, Remdul and Fenring to make a WW2 mod for Frostbite. Because that is more the truth than "EA cashing in on arcade crap" that most people seems to think.
I havent seen the PC beta yet, so I cant tell if it is good, but the premises are awesome.
Forgotten Hope would kick balls on the frost bite engine!
If the PC version of BF1943 is mod-able, I think the FH dev team might be tempted to make a small realism mod for it.
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Nah, not for me its only money making from EA nothing more...also 24 or maybe 32 Players isnt nice imo.
All titles released by any publisher will bring income to that publisher, so he can send money to the gaming studios where the creative artists sits all day and create games for you and me. EA haven't made bf1943, it is a free and inspired projects by pioneer producers and designers at Dice. To be honest: bf1943 is the most "mod" like game they've made, Im surprised people arent thrilled by it. It is really unusual for a studio to let their employees make a mod and experiment like this... and so cheap!..
Think about bf1943 as if DICE would hire Toddel, Lobo, Ctz, Kev4000, Gunnie, Zero, Remdul and Fenring to make a WW2 mod for Frostbite. Because that is more the truth than "EA cashing in on arcade crap" that most people seems to think.
I havent seen the PC beta yet, so I cant tell if it is good, but the premises are awesome.
Forgotten Hope would kick balls on the frost bite engine!
If the PC version of BF1943 is mod-able, I think the FH dev team might be tempted to make a small realism mod for it.
Unfortunately DICE have said that for a) legal reasons and b) technical ones they cannot allow any mods whatsoever of BF1943 on PC or otherwise. On top of that, modding Frostbite is something that most mod teams in the world are terrified by and rightly so - it would effectively quadruple the hours they'd have to work because of the complex destructable physics. It's a shame, but it seems that mods are being left behind by the current batch of 'next gen' engines.
I'm happy with FH2 as it is, though. Though I do admit it'd be awesome to ask a Cromwell to blow a hole in the church so we can get that pesky sniper...
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Let's think. We have '44 Allied and '44 German hardware (with some '45 stuff in changelog). Late Western Front (Battle of France, Arnhem, the Bulge, Hürtgen Forest, crossing the Rhine at Remagen, and so forth) would not need so much in the way of new units or weapons mostly only new statics (British, US and German paratroopers would be perhaps the most important new additions, though they could use "placeholder" skins; maybe M26 Pershing for '45 maps, but it was so rare that it's not strictly necessary; Thunderbolt, Lightning or Mustang as the American ground support aircraft would be a nice surprise). This I would see more as a "2.21" or "2.25" rather than completely new version, since it would build on 2.2 contents and gameplay.
Of course, there's the Italian front, but that could be left to certain mappacks (FHT? WaW?), updated with 2.2 stuff, maybe adjusted after a couple of "theme weekends" like the one we just had, and then offered to the public (if the mapmakers would be so generous to the community).
The next big thing - 2.3 or 2.4 - would IMHO logically be the Eastern Front, perhaps built "backwards", from late-war towards early war, since there's already plenty of late-war German hardware available (early Eastern Front would require extensive reskinning from African colours to Eastern Front camouflage).
I'm not so keen about the Pacific. It would offer mostly infantry combat (tank-to-tank would be rather frustrating for the poor Japanese), while naval combat has been said to be problematic. Also, it has been rather overcovered in a million other FPS's already. Sure, it would thrill the Americans. The Europeans? Not so sure.
Eastern Front, however, would truly be a "forgotten" (from the American, not European point of view). Plus it would offer huge variety; from epic tanking on the open steppes (Prokhorovka, anyone?) to infantry-heavy cityfights (Berlin, Stalingrad) to chaotic skirmishes in thick forest (me wants the Finnish front, too!).
Totaly agree, the more logical way is to firstly finish West front from Normandy (Omaha, Cobra, Pegasus,...) to end of war (Market Garden, Battle of Bugle,...). Then to do the early and late Est front because they could use most of German models (Panzer III, Panzer IV, Panther, Tiger, Weapons...) and just reskin them and finally doing the Pacific.
Problem with Pacific is that the devs need to totaly do all the work (Japanese army, Marines stuff, etc...) and the BF2 engine isn't the BF1942 one, none movable battleship only static ones, and they won't spend again 2 years to do a new front because they would loose all their players...
About the other front (early West, Italy, Finland, Greece...etc...) i would love to see them but i don't think devs will spend time on fronts that would only interest few players. They won't repeat AfriKa errors by doing a really amazing front (yeah Afrika is) but not popular one !!! So let's just hope some moddelers of FHT or other groups will be able to make these fronts with their owns means.
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We have still some Projects going for Normandy, but we internally working allready on the Next theatre of course.
We try to do some more smaller releases now! Press thumb if all goes how we plan it.
Little OT question:
Does the expression "To press your thumbs" exist in english?
I don't think so. From the context of the quote, it seems similar to our expressions of "Cross your fingers" or "Knock on wood." Those mean something along the lines of "Hope for the best" or "Unless something unforeseen happens," respectively. For example, Toddel's quote could be rewritten as: "We'll try to do some more smaller releases now! Cross your fingers and hope everything goes how we plan it." or "We'll try to do some more smaller releases now! If everything goes how we plan it, knock on wood." and it wouldn't lose any meaning.
Lainer beat me to it, but I thought I could expand it more. I find it interesting how something as small as a saying or expression can mean something so different in different languages... (By the way, I couldn't find "Press your thumbs" on Wikipedia, but I did find the two expressions I compared it too, and like I said, on the context, it seems to be the same idea.
EDIT: Oh yeah, back on topic... Umm, I think the next few releases will include Anctoville, Juno Beach, Op. Cobra, Op. Overlord, Villers Bocage, and Battle of Keren. Those were all mentioned in the changelog and some of them are far enough along to be seen being tested on the test server. Keren is especially interesting because its an East African map (I wiki-ed it ;)). Villers Bocage is apparently based off the Tilly-sur-Seulles map we played in WaW this campaign, and that was a beautiful map even without the 2.2 touch. As I understand it, those two maps were submitted by betatesters, but were found to be high enough quality to be tested by the whole team. The other four are likely from the mappers we all know and love, but I'm not sure.
After that, though, I don't know what's next...
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The big plus of doing the Pacific or the Finnish front would be that the Allies wouldn't be fighting the same old Germans again, as they do in NA, West front, East front. Italy is of course another possibility.
Realistically I'd say Market Garden or even later war, all the way into Germany is probably next.
/edit: And while we're on the subject of sayings;
"Piece of cake", "Helppo nakki", "Lätt som en plätt".
"Piece of cake", "Easy sausage", "Easy/light like a pancake"
:)
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Unless of course you would base all finnish front maps on the sectors at Lapland or in a very small area in western Syväri. ;D
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Don't make this more troublesome than it has to be :P
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The big plus of doing the Pacific or the Finnish front would be that the Allies wouldn't be fighting the same old Germans again, as they do in NA, West front, East front. Italy is of course another possibility.
Realistically I'd say Market Garden or even later war, all the way into Germany is probably next.
/edit: And while we're on the subject of sayings;
"Piece of cake", "Helppo nakki", "Lätt som en plätt".
"Piece of cake", "Easy sausage", "Easy/light like a pancake"
:)
I love plättar!
(http://kompiskrubb.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/dinkelplattar.jpg)
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Here's what I hope they do; Focus on making more Western Front-themed maps. It won't take them nearly as long, nor be as difficult for them, due to the equipment, skins, sounds, objects etc. etc. already being available from 2.2, and I think we can all agree that we want more Western Front maps.
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Guys. unaviable Models are never the Problem for a map. The hardest part is the Heightmap. The Terraforming the Textureing and the Staticplacement takes ages. it only needs 1 hours to set up the Complete Gameplay for a map. Placing all Vehicles etc. So it doesnt matter what we have done for now.
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So it doesnt matter what we have done for now.
PACIFIC CONFIRMED
...;)
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FINLAND CONFIRMED.
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MICRO--- oh forget it.
Carry on.
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Guys. unaviable Models are never the Problem for a map. The hardest part is the Heightmap. The Terraforming the Textureing and the Staticplacement takes ages. it only needs 1 hours to set up the Complete Gameplay for a map. Placing all Vehicles etc. So it doesnt matter what we have done for now.
Is this really the case? You need more mappers rather than modellers?
Also, I've never tried either, but does creating a 3D model with thousands of polygons & several layers of texture really take less time than making a map? (Of course assuming you are using the statics already available...)
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maus anyone? <:
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/me slaps Die_happys mouth
Yeah this is super Bugfree. for 2.0 we release with 200+ Known bugs.
looks like you got out the bugspray.
(this is a crap attempt at a joke)
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I'm assuming the Ardennes maps will include Foy and Bastogne of course, but I also had an idea for a map about Sadzot. I read about it somewhere, Sadzot was a tiny, tiny little Belgian hamlet where a US company was attacked in the dead of night by over 400 crack SS Panzer Division troops. Would be an epic and scary little night map, what with a burning hamlet, pitch black forest, and confusing all around. Heard a little spooky story about the attack, apparently there was a "ghost voice" on the radio warning them of the attack several hours before it happened. Nobody found out who it was. Most of the company was wiped out. One idea I had, admittedly copying PR a bit, was that there could be one little hut or building with the bodies of dead US troops in their beds, their throats having been cut by SS troops while they slept just like in real life. Would be a fun map, maybe a little hard to make though with all the burning buildings and really dark night textures.
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i would like to see operation torch,or italy.
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Guys. unaviable Models are never the Problem for a map. The hardest part is the Heightmap. The Terraforming the Textureing and the Staticplacement takes ages. it only needs 1 hours to set up the Complete Gameplay for a map. Placing all Vehicles etc. So it doesnt matter what we have done for now.
Is this really the case? You need more mappers rather than modellers?
Also, I've never tried either, but does creating a 3D model with thousands of polygons & several layers of texture really take less time than making a map? (Of course assuming you are using the statics already available...)
The problem is that you can not work well with different peoples on 1 map. thats different with models. for example a tank.
person a) model it and make it ready for texturing.
person b) do the Texture for it.
Person c) do all the coding work to bring it ingame.
for mapping this is total different. The mapper must do all the work more or less. of course you can let someone do the heightmap and a different person place the statics but most of the time the mappers want to do it all alone. that takes more time.
and to answer your Question. we have more then enough mappers allready, we also have some promising Betatesters which make good Progress. a new mapper for FH2 must be TopNotch from Day 1. If you are. Apply for us.
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I would have applied, but my maps always stop working after a time.
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Oh how I would love to play that good old Midway again...
Thinking of it, I remember that very old pics showing some pacific statics and stuff, which said FH2 compatible or something. Maybe a small hint?
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Are any devs interested in doing a remake of the most popular map in FH1?
Public voting would decide what map to choose, or if someone is already interested; their own favorite map.
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You can reuse heightmaps from FH1, right? I could see myself doing a remake of a popular FH1 map, after messing around with four small maps it is time to do a real one. I never played FH1, which maps were popular?
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Oh they joy, bring in fh2 alpenfestung which will end up being played 24/7... ::)
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Normandy maps only. ;D
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You can reuse heightmaps from FH1, right? I could see myself doing a remake of a popular FH1 map, after messing around with four small maps it is time to do a real one. I never played FH1, which maps were popular?
Neuville(from map pack?) or In the hell of bocage. Most of the popular maps were very late Western maps, late Russian maps or pacific.
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Yeah, Ramelle Neuville would win hands down. A shame that it's unlikely to be made by the devs because it never actually happened.
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Call it "St Lo" or something and Bob's your uncle.
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Talk about converting maps... SOMEONE should go ahead and convert Cretan Village. That map was both very fun and it would be more than possible to make by anyone who wants to.
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I'd like to see Road to Ramelle and In the Hell of Bocage (Totalize reminds me of this one :)) remade. Both were fun maps in my opinion.
Road to Ramelle:
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?mod=FH&module=custommaps&scenario=1&map=14&lang=english (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?mod=FH&module=custommaps&scenario=1&map=14&lang=english)
In the Hell of Bocage:
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?mod=FH&module=custommaps&scenario=1&map=8&lang=english (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?mod=FH&module=custommaps&scenario=1&map=8&lang=english)
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That "In the Hell of Bocage" map looks nice, the only weird thing are the "connected" rivers, doesn't look real.
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http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?mod=FH&flash=no&lang=english&module=maps&scenario=1&map=60 (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?mod=FH&flash=no&lang=english&module=maps&scenario=1&map=60) There can be seen all the vehicles on that map. As that map came official FH map in 0.7.
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Perhaps some Pacific actions, since HBO's The Pacific will be out, pretty sure people will be gear up and wanna play that front :)
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Talk about converting maps... SOMEONE should go ahead and convert Cretan Village. That map was both very fun and it would be more than possible to make by anyone who wants to.
I was thinking about it when i was doing nothing... one month ago.
Its an awesome map, and it seems to be FH2 Friendly, but the idea was replaced by another one..
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I thought Mr Cheese (who made Cretan Village IIRC) made Battle of Sfakia as the 'FH2 update' of Cretan village. Certainly the top left of the map is nearly identical, barring the paradrop.
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That's exactly what I thought, Meadow.
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You can reuse heightmaps from FH1, right? I could see myself doing a remake of a popular FH1 map, after messing around with four small maps it is time to do a real one. I never played FH1, which maps were popular?
Ramelle Neuville, played to death.
Gold Beach, oh wait lack the guns..
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I personally hope for (Late) Eastern front & some Berlin fighting. And of course more West front.
To sum up, let's get some Russian brutality.
Sad to hear that we wo'nt be seeing some naval fighting. Especially the pacific maps in FH1 with aircraftcarriers was a lot of fun, loved all that dog fighting.
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I'd say Market Garden and maybe some other map situated in the Netherlands, perhaps something along Hells Highway?
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PRobaly the batlle of Caen. Maybe then Market garden hopefully battle of the bulge. We'll see
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PRobaly the batlle of Caen. Maybe then Market garden hopefully battle of the bulge. We'll see
An entire release dedicated to Caen? :/
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PRobaly the batlle of Caen. Maybe then Market garden hopefully battle of the bulge. We'll see
An entire release dedicated to Caen? :/
why not ???
I think FH2 still lacks urban combat!
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PRobaly the batlle of Caen. Maybe then Market garden hopefully battle of the bulge. We'll see
An entire release dedicated to Caen? :/
why yes! Excellent idea!
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A whole release with 1 playermap of Caen? Thats not nice for other maps who are further then mind twists. Instead of saying what comes next I'll just say I'd love to see 1939-1940 Blitzkrieg campaign. The French where so awesome back then.
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Ofcourse. They had some nifty tanks. And if they dint wasted so much money into the maginot line, they would have builded far more and more modern of those tanks and aircraft aswel.
I remeber FH42 Counterattack well. The Char and Somou where epic
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The truck/jeep thingy. 4 big wheels and 2 small ones at the front, it always made me giggle.
Anyway, lets get back on topic before people start to get mad at us.
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A whole release with 1 playermap of Caen? Thats not nice for other maps who are further then mind twists. Instead of saying what comes next I'll just say I'd love to see 1939-1940 Blitzkrieg campaign. The French where so awesome back then.
BTW I'm just curious. Since FH2.2 has been released now, will the big influx of new betatesters some months ago still be betatesters since there is no need (?) for thoroughly testing to hurry up a release.
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Those who remain active and want to carry on are allowed to stick around, of course.
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¿Red Devils?
(http://www.militar.org.ua/militar/sgm/operacion-Market-Garden1.jpg)
¡¡¡ WHOA MOHAMMED !!! ;D
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I personally hope for (Late) Eastern front & some Berlin fighting. And of course more West front.
To sum up, let's get some Russian brutality.
Sad to hear that we wo'nt be seeing some naval fighting. Especially the pacific maps in FH1 with aircraftcarriers was a lot of fun, loved all that dog fighting.
Why not? I've seen BF2 mods that have move-able ships...Big ships too. If the problem is with moving carriers, then they can just keep them stationary like how they are in BF1943...And indestructible, so they ain't sitting ducks for enemy destroyers.
I want to see the Pacific before the Eastern Front...The Eastern front just means more tank dominated maps, and most maps involve tons of tanks already. The Pacific would focus more on infantry, air and naval combat...That would be a nice change.
All I have to get my Pacific fix is the very arcadey BF1943 :'(.
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A whole release with 1 playermap of Caen? Thats not nice for other maps who are further then mind twists. Instead of saying what comes next I'll just say I'd love to see 1939-1940 Blitzkrieg campaign. The French where so awesome back then.
BTW I'm just curious. Since FH2.2 has been released now, will the big influx of new betatesters some months ago still be betatesters since there is no need (?) for thoroughly testing to hurry up a release.
Flippy adopted us. Isn't that right dad?
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You can reuse heightmaps from FH1, right? I could see myself doing a remake of a popular FH1 map, after messing around with four small maps it is time to do a real one. I never played FH1, which maps were popular?
Yeah you can. However, BF1942 heightmaps were 4x4 meters per pixel. BF2 heightmaps are generally 2x2 meters per pixel. Of course, you can upscale it or whatever, but still will not result in the same quality. Sfakia, if I remember correctly, uses 1x1 meter per pixel.
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I like FH2 as much as the next guy but I don't think FH2 has as much to offer as FH1, it just doesn't have near as many maps, factions, weapons or vehicles, this is why I think FH1 will always conquer FH2.
On the subject of what theatre of war should come to the next version of FH2, I think Pacific would be awesome...
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I'll have to go with the Pacific aswell. Can't wait to play Iwo Jima! Or Guadacanal with more vegetation than FH1 had.
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I think there are two most logical paths the devs could follow.
1) One choice they could make would be (after finishing up Normandy) to move on to another theater that is going to provide the most variety in gameplay. Variety is what will keep people playing FH2 in the long run, so it would be smart to keep things diverse. I think the most diverse theater would be Pacific, introducing alot of amphibious and air gameplay types. Of course, the problem with this is that there would be alot of brand new content to make and lots of coding work to be done on new systems like large ships, etc, not to mention the radically different environment.
2) The second logical choice would be to a another theater that builds on material that already exists, thus minimizing development time. I think this would either be late Western Front (1944-45) or, even better, the Eastern Front. One problem with this strategy, though, is that it would be kind of silly only do one chunk of the Eastern Front timeline-wise, so any time you would gain by using existing material would probably be eclipsed by the huge amount of new tanks, etc you'd have to make to represent the entire conflict.
Meh, that's my two cents. It could be neither of these options, but I would find that pretty unlikely ;) Personally, I would love to see the Pacific. It would offer such a great amount of variety to the game!
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One choice they could make would be (after finishing up Normandy) to move on to another theater that is going to provide the most variety in gameplay. Variety is what will keep people playing FH2 in the long run, so it would be smart to keep things diverse.
Exactly.
Variety is key to draw in more players.
And think about how many people will want the Pacific once the HBO mini series "The Pacific" starts airing?! Why do you think so many gamers like the Normandy theatre? Because they seen cool movies and T.V shows on it!...Like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.
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One choice they could make would be (after finishing up Normandy) to move on to another theater that is going to provide the most variety in gameplay. Variety is what will keep people playing FH2 in the long run, so it would be smart to keep things diverse.
Exactly.
Variety is key to draw in more players.
And think about how many people will want the Pacific once the HBO mini series "The Pacific" starts airing?! Why do you think so many gamers like the Normandy theatre? Because they seen cool movies and T.V shows on it!...Like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.
Yea I just like the thought of FH2 gameplay in the Pacific... imagine how pretty the levels would be! That and all the SWEET weaponry on both sides. Plus you could still use the Brit stuff for Burma. I get chills thinking about it.
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Pacific is damn promising, but i think Eastern Front comes first...
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One choice they could make would be (after finishing up Normandy) to move on to another theater that is going to provide the most variety in gameplay. Variety is what will keep people playing FH2 in the long run, so it would be smart to keep things diverse.
Exactly.
Variety is key to draw in more players.
And think about how many people will want the Pacific once the HBO mini series "The Pacific" starts airing?! Why do you think so many gamers like the Normandy theatre? Because they seen cool movies and T.V shows on it!...Like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.
Yea I just like the thought of FH2 gameplay in the Pacific... imagine how pretty the levels would be! That and all the SWEET weaponry on both sides. Plus you could still use the Brit stuff for Burma. I get chills thinking about it.
Don't forget aussie with the owen submachin gun.
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Pacific is damn promising, but i think Eastern Front comes first...
And why is that? Sure adding the Russians would add more diversity in terms of nations at war, but the Pacific theater would offer much more variety in gameplay, which I think is ultimately more important. Eastern Front would be much like Normandy -- tanks, open fields, big open maps, urban fighting, etc.
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Thick forests in Karelia...
Snow...
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Huge city maps with large buildings, indoor firefights with PPSh etc. Big all out warfare with lots of advanced tanks, airplanes and forests. Lots of interesting vehicles. Would be possible to add lots of factions USSR, Finland, Hungary etc. Snow as said already.
Pacific would just be CQB as ships don't work so half of what was cool in Japanese front in FH1 cant be in FH2. Jungles would be cool though.
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Pacific is damn promising, but i think Eastern Front comes first...
And why is that? Sure adding the Russians would add more diversity in terms of nations at war, but the Pacific theater would offer much more variety in gameplay, which I think is ultimately more important. Eastern Front would be much like Normandy -- tanks, open fields, big open maps, urban fighting, etc.
But eastren front +Fins is far more engine friendly then the pacfic war, where ships are vital
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We need skis ingame, with animations! ;)
...and easter egg sauna?
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We need Sako M2/28-30 Sniper Rifle of Headshots +3 as easter egg.
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Yeah add the Simo Hayha kit with all-white coat would be great fun, nearly invisible in snows. Just hunting enemies the old fashioned way :P
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Well they have late-1944 and early-1945 stuff modelled, so logic says that Ardennes is the one to go with, so that we get winter-camo Panthers and King Tigers. When (if) they are done with Ardennes, they have modelled snow, so there's one thing less in to-do list when they start making Eastern Front.
Which means that logic will prevail!
Mwhahaha!
Yeah add the Simo Hayha kit with all-white coat would be great fun, nearly invisible in snows. Just hunting enemies the old fashioned way :P
And THAT is excellent. It's just that he did NOT, I repeat, NOT use scoped rifles, because he thought that he would have to raise his head too much and become an easy target. Besides, finnish soldiers during Winter War always, with very few exceptions, wore winter camo. I hope I didn't upset anyone by being a besserwisser.
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(http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/maus.png)
From teh secret FH2 archives ZOMGORZ!
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(http://koti.mbnet.fi/peksoft/wawstuff/maus.png)
From teh secret FH2 archives ZOMGORZ!
you lie. the devs are too efficient to make such a basic model and then spend all that time making a shadow for it. also, look in the link. "WaW Stuff" indeed.
Shadow looks too overdone for BF2 engine anywho.
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NOOOOO PAASKY!!!!! You fool! you have revealed WAWs plan to be the first tournament to feature the Maus in FH2!!!!!!!
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I'm pretty certain the next theatre will be Market Garden or some other 'late Western Front' theatre. Easier for the devs to expand on what we have. Also, the integration of some FHT Italy maps.
Yeah I am also expecting that, they can re-use allot of stuff then
But I am looking forward to the battle of the bulge :P
Kind of late, but i had to comment, The battle of the Buldge should be great, a fellow I know was in the Battle of the Buldge as a Recon.... they commonly used captured equiptment, he recieved the Silver star and had his jeep ('44 Willy's Mb) blown out from under him by an 88...
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The real Forgotten Hope 2 Maus:
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3299/forgottenhope2screen8.jpg)
Once created by Rad.
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That inferior copycat didn't even have the 75 mm co-axial gun. D:
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Kind of Ironic, if i have my information right, the Maus means Mouse in German, but the tankw as the biggest tank ever produced weighing in at 207 tons! but, there is a catch ... it had an exterior gas tank, lol.... it was never mass produced because it was found impractical and the handful that were made, most were abandoned due to the lack of gas for their high demand on such resources.. especially being they were designed towards the end of the war.
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There were only two prototypes that were never used.
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Oh, well, yeah i knew they were never mass produced.. ;D it must be a different tank that i'm thinking of that were often abandoned, panthers maybe? BTW, what is with German's naming their tanks after cats, Tiger, Panther, Leopard.... etc.... ??? I know they arn't technical names but still..
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There is rumours of a Maus being engaged at one point during the last month or so of the war, but that has yet to be substantiated.
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There is rumours of a Maus being engaged at one point during the last month or so of the war, but that has never been proven bar a few unreliable anecdotes and therefore should not be considered true in any way, shape or form.
Fix'd. ;)
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There is rumours of a Maus being engaged at one point during the last month or so of the war, but that has yet to be substantiated.
It would make an intresting story though....
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Maybe an Unfinished Maus saw action firing a couple of its Rounds into the Russians? i heard it did... later blown up by the Crew.
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Oh, well, yeah i knew they were never mass produced.. ;D it must be a different tank that i'm thinking of that were often abandoned, panthers maybe? BTW, what is with German's naming their tanks after cats, Tiger, Panther, Leopard.... etc.... ??? I know they arn't technical names but still..
Panther would never been abandoned one of the best tanks of the war in every aspect.
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I've heard they're adding genital diseases:
(http://byteboy.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/wwii_vd-poster.jpg)
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Oh, well, yeah i knew they were never mass produced.. ;D it must be a different tank that i'm thinking of that were often abandoned, panthers maybe? BTW, what is with German's naming their tanks after cats, Tiger, Panther, Leopard.... etc.... ??? I know they arn't technical names but still..
Panther would never been abandoned one of the best tanks of the war in every aspect.
Agree with u.... panther's armor was very strong.
But i am Russian :)
and i say: in 1944 was produced new russian tank IS-2 (Iosif Stallin). That tank broke front armor of panther by 1 shot.
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eastern front would be just like Africa, with vegetations instead of sand...
If it's eastern front I would hope for a 1944-1945 release.
Personally I am more looking forward for real urban fight...
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eastern front would be just like Africa, with vegetations instead of sand...
What kind of sense is that supposed to make :D
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maybe he means snow instead of sand.
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eastern front would be just like Africa, with vegetations instead of sand...
What kind of sense is that supposed to make :D
The sixth sense?
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He means maps featuring wide, open graslands, similar to the North-African theatre in spaciousness, as opposed to the condensed Normandy landscape with its many hedges and orchards.
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I know. And that's why it doesn't make sense. Eastern Europe is not just one big grassy plain.
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I think the Battle of the Caucasus would yield some fun maps with extreme vertical fighting.
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I wonder why people have so many misconceptions about the Eastern Front. They either say it'll all be snow, or grassland, or endless forest, and they somehow ignore the BIGGEST battles of the whole damn war and human history: STALINGRAD!!! That is why I am looking forward more to the Eastern Front than Pacific, more variety. In the Pacific you get endless jungle and beach battles, in the East, you get massive tank fights like Kursk, forest battles in the Baltics and Karelia, and epic urban combat that puts Tobruk to shame in Stalingrad, Leningrad, and Moscow!
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Because people are exaggerating to promote their own favorite theater of war.
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TANKS! Tanks is what makes FH substantially cooool to the max! This is what makes me loved FH more than anything else... they put some seriously cool stuff in their tanks.
What differentiate NA from EF is that in EF, you got more interesting tank battles. More intense urban combat (do we need to mention the mother of all urban combat? I think Hresvelgr sum it pretty nicely). Though Pacific could be very nice too.
Honestly, i would like to see all theaters represented, i like them all equally. But the most important thing here, is the speed and the easiness of the development. StuG IIIs aren't there yet, i guess a lot of current FH 2.2 maps (especially NA maps) would have a lot of vehicle additions into it.
Oh, well, yeah i knew they were never mass produced.. Grin it must be a different tank that i'm thinking of that were often abandoned, panthers maybe? BTW, what is with German's naming their tanks after cats, Tiger, Panther, Leopard.... etc.... Huh I know they arn't technical names but still..
Don't forget their current SPAAG Gepard (Cheetah), and the other kampfwagens like Elefant (pretty obvious), Nashorn (Rhino), Wespe (Wasp)... all of it are animals, not just felines family. Well, but i dunno what Marder (the current IFV and the later PanzerJaeger series) means. Hence they were called "Zoo Motorpool"
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Marder means mustelidae, aka weasel.
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Well, but i dunno what Marder (the current IFV and the later PanzerJaeger series) means. Hence they were called "Zoo Motorpool"
German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder
English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marten
Some kind of Ferret, or something.
EDIT: (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s166/Ionizer_1/Random/ninja.gif)'d by Flippy, kinda.
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Meh all I know is that the brief trip I first took in the LCA's on Point Du Hoc to the shoreline made me think of how amazingly awesome it would be to do the same thing on a Pacific island, with Corsairs buzzing over head, battleships pounding the shoreline, and machine gun tracers flying everywhere!
Pacific = New ways to play FH.
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German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder
English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marten
Some kind of Ferret, or something.
Thanks Ionizer,
Of all the beast they took to name their war vehicles, never thought that they named one after such a cute animal.
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That's funny, because Hitler actually ordered that people stopped calling the Hummel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummel_%28artillery%29Hummnel) by it's nickname, instead using it's technical name (Sd.Kfz. 165). Hummel means "BumbleBee" in German. Someone named a mobile Arty piece armed with a 150 mm howitzer the "Bumblebee." I wonder why he didn't order other cute/harmless animal names to be dropped?
Someone in a factory somewhere had an ironic sense of humor: Marder (Marten, ferret thing), Hummel (BumbleBee), Grille (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grille_%28artillery%29) (Cricket), That which must not be named (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus) (Mouse), and Ratte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte) (Rat).
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The cutest is "Brummbär" ;D It's a childrens word for bear.
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I think it's meant ironic, cute names for terror vehicles.
@Ionizer, maybe Hitler hated bumblebees?
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Maybe Hitler grew hatred towards Maya the Bee during the years.
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Oh, well, yeah i knew they were never mass produced.. ;D it must be a different tank that i'm thinking of that were often abandoned, panthers maybe? BTW, what is with German's naming their tanks after cats, Tiger, Panther, Leopard.... etc.... ??? I know they arn't technical names but still..
Panther would never been abandoned one of the best tanks of the war in every aspect.
Well, armour wont do you any good if your not mobile, you'll just be sitting ducks..
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The first version was prone to breakdowns, but the models in FH2.2 were generally reliable.
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The first version was prone to breakdowns, but the models in FH2.2 were generally reliable.
Yeah, I'm talking more at the end of the War, where their fuel supplies were being cut off and therefore the tanks were running out of gas, making their equiptment useless behind enemy lines.
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The first version was prone to breakdowns, but the models in FH2.2 were generally reliable.
Yeah, I'm talking more at the end of the War, where their fuel supplies were being cut off and therefore the tanks were running out of gas, making their equiptment useless behind enemy lines.
But that has nothing to do with the tank itself.
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The first version was prone to breakdowns, but the models in FH2.2 were generally reliable.
Yeah, I'm talking more at the end of the War, where their fuel supplies were being cut off and therefore the tanks were running out of gas, making their equiptment useless behind enemy lines.
But that has nothing to do with the tank itself.
No, I know, i never said it did if you look at my first post about this.
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'brumbar' is an unofficial nickname that was coined by allied soldiers, not the german army.
Hummel was dropped by fuhrers decree because it didnt seem appropriate for an AFV......the things that occupied Nazi officials..
On a sidenote, regarding future additions to the motorpool, I really...REALLY hope future updates will include several AFV's that never made it into FH1, like the Jagdtiger and, more particularly, the Hetzer!!
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'brumbar' is an unofficial nickname that was coined by allied soldiers, not the german army.
Yes? Does that word exist in english?
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"Brummbär is often named as the sugegstive name for the Sturmpanzer IV, yet the name was never an official name. The name most like originates from Allied interrogations of German prisoners whom may have used the name as a nickname."
- Myths about World War II
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Actually, having performed some research to validate my claims, it turns out it was Allied intelligence that used that name to identify the Sturmpanzer IV. The germans nicknamed it 'Stupa', a portmanteau incorporating elements of the words Sturm and Panzer..although technically not a portmanteau, it being a single word in german... ok.
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Maybe Hitler grew hatred towards Maya the Bee during the years.
now you're just douche-baging you're way out of this :-\
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No, I know, i never said it did if you look at my first post about this.
"it must be a different tank that i'm thinking of that were often abandoned, panthers maybe" Well you still indicate into specific tank and you say nothing about gas. And the few last months of the war is of course different story what it is in 1944.
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Kind of Ironic, if i have my information right, the Maus means Mouse in German, but the tankw as the biggest tank ever produced weighing in at 207 tons! but, there is a catch ... it had an exterior gas tank, lol.... it was never mass produced because it was found impractical and the handful that were made, most were abandoned due to the lack of gas for their high demand on such resources.. especially being they were designed towards the end of the war.
This was my First post on this subject..from there on there on I changed the idea to Panther because I wasn't exactly sure and was proved wrong..
It doesn't really matter anyways lol, why are you so defencive over the Panther???
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Because its the best!!!11 right after Jeager Panther. I didn't notice your first post, sorry.
But it really was one of the best tanks.
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Because its the best!!!11 right after Jeager Panther. I didn't notice your first post, sorry.
But it really was one of the best tanks.
It's alright, I'll forgive you this time... but next time i'm going to have to kill you.. ;D (just kidding :-*)
And i'm not too big on many of the German tanks, i'd rather have a Sherman, M3 or M5 Stuart.
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most were abandoned due to the lack of gas for their high demand on such resources
I beg to differ! Most german heavy tanks were abandoned because they were too sophisticated, so if they broke down, spare parts were almost impossible to come by. If we can't use them, they must NOT get their hands on such powerful tank.
I wonder which tanks were that sophisticated.. *cough*Tigers*cough*King Tigers*cough*Panthers*cough*
I need a painkiller, coughed my throat out..
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Usually they* broke down because they were too damn heavy for their engines and transmission. Later shortage of fuel was also a significant reason to ignite the ammo storage and continue on foot. :p
* Mostly heavier vehicles like Tiger II and Jagdpanzer VI. Panther was a tank of sensible weight.
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Later shortage of fuel was also a significant reason to ignite the ammo storage and continue on foot. :p
* Mostly heavier vehicles like Tiger II and Jagdpanzer VI. Panther was a tank of sensible weight.
Told you so Sniperace-FIN-! :P lol 8)
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Usually they* broke down because they were too damn heavy for their engines and transmission. Later shortage of fuel was also a significant reason to ignite the ammo storage and continue on foot. :p
* Mostly heavier vehicles like Tiger II and Jagdpanzer VI. Panther was a tank of sensible weight.
And that results in wear and tear, broken axles and sprockets, twisted piston rods etc. etc. Which are very difficult parts to replace in the field, that is. When in combat there is no time to start dismantling the whole engine on your tank floor and start fiddling about with tools and stuff or do like James May does, name your spanners. "This is Stephen.." lol. But you also have a point in lack of fuel, mostly. So let's say that both of us are 50-50 right and stop this offtopic-BS?
Give us Eastern Front with T-34s!
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Usually they* broke down because they were too damn heavy for their engines and transmission. Later shortage of fuel was also a significant reason to ignite the ammo storage and continue on foot. :p
* Mostly heavier vehicles like Tiger II and Jagdpanzer VI. Panther was a tank of sensible weight.
So let's say that both of us are 50-50 right and stop this offtopic-BS?
Give us Eastern Front with T-34s!
70-30 (me 70 you 30) and we have a deal... ;D Just kidding i'll be happy to end this :D
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OK yea so since you all decided to have your own private discussion, I'll play the role of the moderator here and tell you to take it somewhere else. This thread was supposed to be about FH's new campaigns. Sooooo that said, why don't we get back on topic?
Lets pick up where the last relevant thread left off. Oh look, it's mine from two pages ago!
Meh all I know is that the brief trip I first took in the LCA's on Point Du Hoc to the shoreline made me think of how amazingly awesome it would be to do the same thing on a Pacific island, with Corsairs buzzing over head, battleships pounding the shoreline, and machine gun tracers flying everywhere!
Pacific = New ways to play FH.
Lets get back on track.
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I, for one, welcome our new Hockeywarrior overlord.
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Get back on topic, you, you, you, you, off-topic-man!
The new theater for FH2 will be ***REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR***
No, seriously: It really is Finland as Flippy said.
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Sorry, we were just keeping the thread alive ;D and it kinda was on topic, we were talking about how the Maus maybe being in 2.3.. and besides all that was need to be said was: 2.3 = Addition to new theatre that was just released and then Finland! (last sentence was on topic 8))
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I, for one, welcome our new Hockeywarrior overlord.
I demand tribute! Blood sacrifices only please!
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I, for one, welcome our new Hockeywarrior overlord.
I demand tribute! Blood sacrifices only please!
Ah, will sweat do? ;D J/king...
Your making us get off topic again. lol
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I hope for Pacific, but I think the devs should keep focusing on finishing up Normandy first.
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I hope for Pacific, but I think the devs should keep focusing on finishing up Normandy first.
Normandy is Deff. priority....at least I hope. But yeah, Pacific would be intresting, I loved it in 1942 but not sure if my current PC can handle it with the BF2 engine.
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I agree with oddball,"Finishing normandy" and then finishing all the euro fronts ect. before continueing to the pacific.
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I'm sure devs are ROFL because they didn't know themself which theater will be the next... ::)
But IMO it should be Est Front FTW !!! ;D
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I'm more of a Pacific fan myself, but it would take too long time to start on now, if the pacific is to come, it should be last.
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I'm more of a Pacific fan myself, but it would take too long time to start on now, if the pacific is to come, it should be last.
As tragic as it may be saying that, I fear it might be the truth.
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2.25 finishes Western Front, while 2.3 brings us eastern front. That's my theory, and I hope it's correct.
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(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8467/88662195.jpg)
What could this cryptic comment mean?
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Grab your hats and coats.. it's going to be cold.
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Ugh... Battle of the Bulge is to me a very uninteresting part of the Second World War, I don't know whether it's because of the American-ness of the theatre (no offence meant), or how much it's covered in films, television and literature.
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the Allied landing in france is far away from being fully exploited yet. Still the allies have to push towards Belgium and the Netherlands (Operation Market Garden, Nijmegen, Arnhem etc.)
i'm really looking forward to see the late german tanks, especially the Jagdpanzer V (Jagdpanther) which was used during the Ardennes Offensive. Even low in available count the Jagdpanthers disabled quite an exorbitant amount of allied tanks. A heavy tank killer par excellence :D
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the Allied landing in france is far away from being fully exploited yet. Still the allies have to push towards Belgium and the Netherlands (Operation Market Garden, Nijmegen, Arnhem etc.)
i'm really looking forward to see the late german tanks, especially the Jagdpanzer V (Jagdpanther) which was used during the Ardennes Offensive. Even low in available count the Jagdpanthers disabled quite an exorbitant amount of allied tanks. A heavy tank killer par excellence :D
a random Sherman 76mm popping out in the side of a German tank = win.
who cares how much frontal armour a German tank had anyway...
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Ugh... Battle of the Bulge is to me a very uninteresting part of the Second World War, I don't know whether it's because of the American-ness of the theatre (no offence meant), or how much it's covered in films, television and literature.
I have to fully agree with you. It's something about the American-ness of it that doesn't get me. It was one of the map I hated the most in FH1/Bf1942
Also, for pacific, not only is it uncertain wether carriers and battleships can be worked out, but I also believe that the scale of the maps would be too small to have both an island and enough room too maneouver a battleship (And fight with it)
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At least the Ardennes will bring some nice armoured additions, or at least more of what people (I) love, right? :P
But at least there will be maps before then, Market Garnden for exmaple (we hope).
Or mybe Taranov is pulling our chain, and has become even better with the fact that it has been brought to the FH forums' attention?
Yep, thats right, Im a pessimist.
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Ug, I'm tired of all British maps, we have enough, I want more American maps, even it off.. >:(
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GI Joe saves the world part n+1.
More Commonwealth and Polish maps for me please.
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Ug, I'm tired of all British maps, we have enough, I want more American maps, even it off.. >:(
Just play every other video game known to man...
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Not true, every other video games generally try to even it out, CoD: between the British, Russians, and Americans, RO is Russians... etc. etc..... but it's also different engine... FH is constructed so well that I desire to play, only I wish there were more American maps and equiptment. The gameplay and style is different and I like it with the BF2 engine prolly the best.
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why do the british have n0.4 instead of sml?
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Well I would assume that they would put out one more major release that would finish up the Western Front ... which of course could include Battle of the Bulge scenarios. I also wish they would finish up the North African theatre (though I'm not counting on it) ... not having the Americans in North Africa makes it still feel incomplete.
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Oh so americans would make NA complete and not fully completed italian army?
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Oh so americans would make NA complete and not fully completed italian army?
Well yes, actually, I think it would.
Hear me out. The British exist in NA. The Aussies exist in NA. The Italians EXIST in NA. The Americans? They don't exist. Thus, yes, merely having them EXIST in the theater at all would go along way to making it feel more comprehensive. They didn't play as large of a role as the Brits but having a North African theater without ANYTHING portraying Operation Torch involving the US (ie, the entire second half of the war in that theater) feels lacking.
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Pfft I'd exchange 10 american NA maps to 1 italian map.
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^^Im going on a long shot here in saying your european?
Sounds like american hate to me :/.
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Im sorry to say, but the US did play a dominant role in the liberation of western Europe. Operation overlord was designed and orchestrated by the US. Of course, its execution to a great extend relied on British and canadian cooperation, but neither of both could muster the logistic capacity required to launch any such behemoth operation by itself. So..please don't start weeping when i say this, but im afraid most of the credit for the abolition of facist oppression goes to the yanks here.
When looking at the overal contribution to the destruction of nazi germany of all allied nations involved, this would most definately be the Soviet Union.
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^^Im going on a long shot here in saying your european?
Sounds like american hate to me :/.
Why the hell does it have to be american hate if I say that I'd prefer seeing complete italian army rather than americans in north africa??
Am I just being too original and want to see an army that has never been properly displayed in any video games so far? Americans this, americans that. We can have americans no matter what, they cant be ignored when you make a ww2 game, but italians can be and usually they are ignored. So why does this make me an american hater if I say I'd prefer to see italians more complete in north africa rather than the americans?? Does it mean in your opinion that I wouldnt want to see late western europe or the pacific which were mostly fought by the americans?
Yes, Im an european, but I dont hate americans in general, just stupid inviduals.
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You tell 'em flippy!
I'm with you on this, I'd much rather see a complete army of a country not usually portraited in games (italian army in this example) than the american army, the american army wouldn't bring me anything really "new" since the vast majority of their equipment etc have been done so many times. Italy on the other hand, I never knew about the Breda or the Carcano before they were introduced in FH2.
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Plus the Italians are a lot cooler and more interesting. I also believe that more commonwealth soldeirs were involved in Overlord at first than American soldiers.
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I quite like stupid individuals. They make for good foot stools.
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So it's America-hate to acknowledge other nation's part in the war and criticise "AMERICA WON THE WAR ALL ALONE" -mentality in most games and films?
Bloody hell, looks like I hate America!
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We want Vichy France and Free France in NA! >: (
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Frenchies, whats going on with your Bir Hakeim community project?
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I would love to see Maps set in the Italian Campaign, but NA doesn't need any more maps, Western Europe and Italy does
Also the Italian Theater would provide a nice balance for all parties. Italy versus USA/Commonwealth in Early Maps, Germany in late ones.
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Wow.... enough of all this useless hate, no one ever said that the United States won the war single-handly, in matter of fact other nations are widely reconized in America. Especially in the History Book if anyone bothers to study anything about War World 2 besides just by playing games, and you sure as hell can't say that the Italians won the war, especially not single-handly.. in matter of fact they were probably the worst theater in the war and the first to surrender. Most games are centered on major battles and events in the war and a good majority of those events have to do with the British, Americans and the Germans....and no one is going to make a game as you playing the axis in in a normal FPS game, it will make them look like some Neo-Nazi. Thats why only some multiplayer games and BF series can safely make an axis based theater......They also produce games that they know will sell and most people want; Allied based games (sorry it's the truth). What parents will let their kids buy a game named: Mussolini's Victory in Italy or Hitler's Success in Europe 2, Nazi's in the Concentration Camps....?
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^^Im going on a long shot here in saying your european?
Sounds like american hate to me :/.
Why the hell does it have to be american hate if I say that I'd prefer seeing complete italian army rather than americans in north africa??
Am I just being too original and want to see an army that has never been properly displayed in any video games so far? Americans this, americans that. We can have americans no matter what, they cant be ignored when you make a ww2 game, but italians can be and usually they are ignored. So why does this make me an american hater if I say I'd prefer to see italians more complete in north africa rather than the americans?? Does it mean in your opinion that I wouldnt want to see late western europe or the pacific which were mostly fought by the americans?
Yes, Im an european, but I dont hate americans in general, just stupid inviduals.
To me it's not about what would be fun to be portrayed but what needs to be portrayed. This isn't about one country being better than any other, but simply just including the major players. I would LOVE to see Italy make it into FH along with a totally complete Italian Army. That said, it would be rather silly to have too many Italy maps without US forces who obviously played a big role in that campaign -- just as much if not more than the British and other armies. At least the Italian army exists in FH2...
If you're going to make a theater of war, you should do it justice. The FH team knows this and unfortunately the leaving out of US forces in NA is just a product of reality -- not high enough priority to dedicate limited developer resources. I get that! It's just sad that the second biggest player in the North African Campaign will probably never see the light of day in that theater.
I'm not being an American jingoist -- I'm simply saying that FH is about portraying historically accurate scenarios and having North Africa without the US Army goes against that idea. You wouldn't think of doing Normandy without the British or Canadians would you? It's the same principle.
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Awesome. It's nice to see some snow battle. I hope after that we will see Market Garden followed by the pacific :P
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1. Especially in the History Book if anyone bothers to study anything about War World 2 besides just by playing games, and you sure as hell can't say that the Italians won the war, especially not single-handly..
2. and no one is going to make a game as you playing the axis in in a normal FPS game, it will make them look like some Neo-Nazi. Thats why only some multiplayer games and BF series can safely make an axis based theater......They also produce games that they know will sell and most people want; Allied based games (sorry it's the truth). What parents will let their kids buy a game named: Mussolini's Victory in Italy or Hitler's Success in Europe 2, Nazi's in the Concentration Camps....?
1. Like stated, mainstream video games and films tend to show only the American side of the war, ignoring everyone else. And you are right, no one can say that the Italians won the war, and guess what? No one was saying that!
2. Red Orchestra 2 anyone? And there's numerous other games where you can play as the axis.
PS. Because some people want to play as someone else than US of A that doesn't mean they are neo-nazi's or wish to play concentration camp -games.
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I like new stuff. There are so many pieces and nuances in ww2, you can learn about new things all the time. Playing the same old stuff on a new map is dull to me. Omaha Beach is in every single ww2 game it seems. But something off the beaten path makes you learn something new. Whether it is a battle with US I havn't heard about or Italians, or Psuedo-Nazi-MoonMen.
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Wow.... enough of all this useless hate, no one ever said that the United States won the war single-handly,
I'm sorry to say this, but i encounterd Many americans, who actually claimed they did.
Not here to start this, or to go any further into this. Each country has its good folks, and their Jack-asses.
Their are jackasses, who claim that the USA is the best, that they won WW2 single-handed, and that they won the Vietnam war.
Shamefully, other jackasses then say= SEE EVERY AMERICAN IS LIKE THAT.
It is the country's jackasses, what ruins it for all. One fool says something stupid, and an other fool replies with something stupid
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1. Especially in the History Book if anyone bothers to study anything about War World 2 besides just by playing games, and you sure as hell can't say that the Italians won the war, especially not single-handly..
2. and no one is going to make a game as you playing the axis in in a normal FPS game, it will make them look like some Neo-Nazi. Thats why only some multiplayer games and BF series can safely make an axis based theater......They also produce games that they know will sell and most people want; Allied based games (sorry it's the truth). What parents will let their kids buy a game named: Mussolini's Victory in Italy or Hitler's Success in Europe 2, Nazi's in the Concentration Camps....?
1. Like stated, mainstream video games and films tend to show only the American side of the war, ignoring everyone else. And you are right, no one can say that the Italians won the war, and guess what? No one was saying that!
2. Red Orchestra 2 anyone? And there's numerous other games where you can play as the axis.
PS. Because some people want to play as someone else than US of A that doesn't mean they are neo-nazi's or wish to play concentration camp -games.
All of the WW2 Call of Duty games have had American,British, and Russian campaigns. I haven't played the older Medal of Honor games in years, but I remember the expansion packs "Spearhead" and "Breakthrough" having British,Russian and Italians. The Battlefield series has had all of those armies too(BF1942,Road to Rome). These games are as mainstream as you can get.
And why are you surprised that most American made WW2 movies are about battles that Americans fought in? Are Europeans forced to watch American movies? Do they not have their own directors,producers,writers,actors etc???
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I'm just saying the truth, I don't mean to start any arguements or anything... and like I said, I don't mind having the Italians or whoever you may want that you think were unicluded but we can't simply ignore the Americans because their supposily "in every other game" and especially when they're in it for a good reason, after all they did have a big role (and please don't confuse a big role with Winning the war Single-Handly, because that would be ignorant, and I hate ignorant people), and as I see it, we already have plenty British and already enough Italian maps since we came out with the American campaign, so why not finish up with the Americans before going back to the Italians or starting a whole new campaign....
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Frenchies, whats going on with your Bir Hakeim community project?
As no real Frenchies working on that project are actively posting here, PM Sgt-D at the dev and tedabester shed.
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Frenchies, whats going on with your Bir Hakeim community project?
As no real Frenchies working on that project are actively posting here, PM Sgt-D at the dev and tedabester shed.
afaik Nikita was mapping it but he is doing maps for FHT now, so maybe they stopped with it. :-\
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Just bring anything... we will enjoy it.
Americans, Italians, Finnish, Soviets, or even Partisans!
BTW, as you already know, most FH players would enjoy American maps more than the other specific "fancy" and "unique" or unusual armies. Thus servers are running more Normandy maps now than the NA (maybe it's just the trend, but it won't be a short-term one). Sure as hell, i would love Indonesia to be portrayed fighting against Japanese there, and if i were Italians or Finns, i would do the same, nagging about my own nation historical fights at the greatest war.
I specifically, love Normandy maps because of its lush green environment rather than because of the "Hollywood-ness" of the theatre.
I'd really enjoy Italian front theatre. Probably it will be done after the Western Europe battles (or maybe switching to Eastern front). But Italian fronts, considering all of the available materials (those from NA theatres), it will be easier for the devs. And we also got to see Americans fight there.
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Just bring anything... we will enjoy it.
Americans, Italians, Finnish, Soviets, or even Partisans!
BTW, as you already know, most FH players would enjoy American maps more than the other specific "fancy" and "unique" or unusual armies. Thus servers are running more Normandy maps now than the NA (maybe it's just the trend, but it won't be a short-term one). Sure as hell, i would love Indonesia to be portrayed fighting against Japanese there, and if i were Italians or Finns, i would do the same, nagging about my own nation historical fights at the greatest war.
I specifically, love Normandy maps because of its lush green environment rather than because of the "Hollywood-ness" of the theatre.
I'd really enjoy Italian front theatre. Probably it will be done after the Western Europe battles (or maybe switching to Eastern front). But Italian fronts, considering all of the available materials (those from NA theatres), it will be easier for the devs. And we also got to see Americans fight there.
And Mark Spark's rumoured deployment of gas on the Gothic Line. Contro-ver-sial!
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The reason I want the Pacific theater to be next is not because of the Americans or Japanese; It's because of the tropical feeling and battles, which I find very interessting.
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In Europe US was pretty minor faction, i mean more french soldiers died than US soldier total in Europe. USSR and Germany were the major factions then comes Brits. US had more of an support role. In my opinion it really is the USSR that won the war. It did most effort, but of course needed help of other allies. Germans would have so won without Russia.
Would be nice to see some forgotten fronts and not all the time those boring Normandy fronts, Ardennes offensive would be cool though. Jägerpanther would be awesome, killing those pesky tiny americans in their paper tanks.
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I wanted to see more of China in the Pacific front than America for the same reasons. The battles were bigger, more Chinese fought and died than Americans, and I think more Japanese went to fight the Chinese than went to fight Americans. Since naval battles on the BF2 engine are not feasible I'm sure you could replace the feeling of loss with epic China maps.
But of course, finishing Normandy comes first, which I'm sure means adding the maps Omaha, Gold Beach, Caen, Carentan, Villers-Bocage, and maybe Operation Cobra. After that, on to Italy, Market Garden and the Ardennes! Then the Eastern Front. Oh boy, how badass that theater will doubtlessly be...
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... But of course, finishing Normandy comes first, which I'm sure means adding the maps Omaha, Gold Beach, Caen, Carentan, Villers-Bocage, and maybe Operation Cobra. After that, on to Italy, Market Garden and the Ardennes! Then the Eastern Front. Oh boy, how badass that theater will doubtlessly be...
I second that.^^
Adding different country like Poland, France, Finland etc. is always nice and it make me learn more about WW2 then what I see normally on TV.
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One thing I would like to see are German trained Italian troops in late war.
(http://www.gewehr43.com/g41mitaly.jpg)
Interestingly, the fellow has a rare G41 rifle.
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I find the left guy more interesting, awesome facial hair.
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In Europe US was pretty minor faction, i mean more french soldiers died than US soldier total in Europe. USSR and Germany were the major factions then comes Brits. US had more of an support role. In my opinion it really is the USSR that won the war. It did most effort, but of course needed help of other allies. Germans would have so won without Russia.
Would be nice to see some forgotten fronts and not all the time those boring Normandy fronts, Ardennes offensive would be cool though. Jägerpanther would be awesome, killing those pesky tiny americans in their paper tanks.
If Patton wasn't held back by Bradley, Eisenhower, Monty, etc, the U.S would have been undeniably known as the biggest dog in the fight. Had Patton got his way, there would have been no Battle of The Bulge. He had the Germans on the run, and he wanted to annihilate them, so that they couldn't regroup to defend or launch a massive counter attack.
The Germans feared Patton the most and even took their best troops and general from the Eastern front to fight the 3rd Army.
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In Europe US was pretty minor faction, i mean more french soldiers died than US soldier total in Europe. USSR and Germany were the major factions then comes Brits. US had more of an support role. In my opinion it really is the USSR that won the war. It did most effort, but of course needed help of other allies. Germans would have so won without Russia.
Would be nice to see some forgotten fronts and not all the time those boring Normandy fronts, Ardennes offensive would be cool though. Jägerpanther would be awesome, killing those pesky tiny americans in their paper tanks.
If Patton wasn't held back by Bradley, Eisenhower, Monty, etc, the U.S would have been undeniably known as the biggest dog in the fight. Had Patton got his way, there would have been no Battle of The Bulge. He had the Germans on the run, and he wanted to annihilate them, so that they couldn't regroup to defend or launch a massive counter attack.
The Germans feared Patton the most and even took their best troops and general from the Eastern front to fight the 3rd Army.
And if Monty succeded with Operation Market Garden things would also have been different. You can't deny the fact that US of A was not one of the major players battle wise.
However, on the supply front, things looked a bit different where US of A played a bigger role.
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In Europe US was pretty minor faction, i mean more french soldiers died than US soldier total in Europe. USSR and Germany were the major factions then comes Brits. US had more of an support role. In my opinion it really is the USSR that won the war. It did most effort, but of course needed help of other allies. Germans would have so won without Russia.
Would be nice to see some forgotten fronts and not all the time those boring Normandy fronts, Ardennes offensive would be cool though. Jägerpanther would be awesome, killing those pesky tiny americans in their paper tanks.
If Patton wasn't held back by Bradley, Eisenhower, Monty, etc, the U.S would have been undeniably known as the biggest dog in the fight. Had Patton got his way, there would have been no Battle of The Bulge. He had the Germans on the run, and he wanted to annihilate them, so that they couldn't regroup to defend or launch a massive counter attack.
The Germans feared Patton the most and even took their best troops and general from the Eastern front to fight the 3rd Army.
If Patton was going to go forward and forward he would have been cut off at one point. So that would be Patton's Falaise Pocket.
And if you ask me, the Germans best troops where still on the Ostfront.
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Patton, overrated Commander.
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IIRC, preparations for the Ardennes offensive involved massive relocation of men and equipment from the eastern front to the west.
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Patton, overrated Commander.
Same goes to Rommel, these big and famous commanders (FM Rommel and LG Patton) are ideal offensive generals that rarely thinks about supply lines. All they think is only "never stop advancing."
The enemies are not all running chicken all over. They have smart generals too. The Italian front strong defense point, which is more successful than the glorious western front defenses, (which kept collapsing, some due to "his" interference) were the work of FM Kesserling. The red army faced more stubborn axis defenses by FM von Manstein & colleagues. As a big FH fan, you certainly wouldn't think that this fella really believe that one faction did it all, would you?
In Europe US was pretty minor faction, i mean more french soldiers died than US soldier total in Europe. USSR and Germany were the major factions then comes Brits. US had more of an support role. In my opinion it really is the USSR that won the war. It did most effort, but of course needed help of other allies. Germans would have so won without Russia.
Doesn't matter, contribution aren't measured by the number of the death-toll involved. Big or little, they did their part in shaping the history as we know it today. If you took them out, the result of the war probably won't be the same as it is. I was ignorant about Finns' war at first, but what have happened those days, it really sets them apart from the rest of European and Scandinavian countries.
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I was ignorant about Finns' war at first, but what have happened those days, it really sets them apart from the rest of European and Scandinavian countries.
Explain, I would like to hear your opinions and arguments, since I'm a Finn. (Sur-f***ing-prise!)
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So it's America-hate to acknowledge other nation's part in the war and criticise "AMERICA WON THE WAR ALL ALONE" -mentality in most games and films?
Bloody hell, looks like I hate America!
When the HELL did i ever conclude to that statement "AMERICA WON THE WAR ALONE"?
It seem's to me,your pulling stuff from the past that other americans have stated into a new arguement...(Bloody hell ;) )
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In Europe US was pretty minor faction, i mean more french soldiers died than US soldier total in Europe. USSR and Germany were the major factions then comes Brits. US had more of an support role. In my opinion it really is the USSR that won the war. It did most effort, but of course needed help of other allies. Germans would have so won without Russia.
Would be nice to see some forgotten fronts and not all the time those boring Normandy fronts, Ardennes offensive would be cool though. Jägerpanther would be awesome, killing those pesky tiny americans in their paper tanks.
If Patton wasn't held back by Bradley, Eisenhower, Monty, etc, the U.S would have been undeniably known as the biggest dog in the fight. Had Patton got his way, there would have been no Battle of The Bulge. He had the Germans on the run, and he wanted to annihilate them, so that they couldn't regroup to defend or launch a massive counter attack.
The Germans feared Patton the most and even took their best troops and general from the Eastern front to fight the 3rd Army.
If Patton was going to go forward and forward he would have been cut off at one point. So that would be Patton's Falaise Pocket.
And if you ask me, the Germans best troops where still on the Ostfront.
Patton wanted to close the pocket, and rightfully so, cause he created it with his armies lighting advance. But Monty wanted to close it, cause he wanted the glory.
Patton use to tell his men that "Eisenhower was the best general the Brits every had", cause he always let Monty have his way. Had Patton got to annihilate the retreating Germans like he wanted, thousands of British and American lives could have been saved.
The Germans feared Patton the most, cause of how fast he was advancing. That is why Hitler took his best troops from the Eastern front to try and stop him.
I feel for Patton, he had to fight the Germans and the jealous bastards on "his side".
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History can be so cruel. If there ever was a general I would like to have seen humiliated and crushed for their stupid tactics and dumb luck, it would have had to have been Patton. Besides, he could have saved thousands more troops if he hadn't done his oh-so-daring "lignting fast advances".
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History can be so cruel. If there ever was a general I would like to have seen humiliated and crushed for their stupid tactics and dumb luck, it would have had to have been Patton. Besides, he could have saved thousands more troops if he hadn't done his oh-so-daring "lignting fast advances".
Wow..... Is there anything American you do like....? i'm finding you to be very ignorant. Patton had more than Dumb luck on his side. And there would have been MORE casualties if he hadn't made the "lightning fast advances" because that would have gave the enemy time to regroup get organized and set up a stronger deffence... If you keep pushing through the lines it can get the enemy disoriented, scatered and overall make them more weak. And if you want to critize who lost more troops, why don't you bring up Stalin who killed his own men? Anti-American? I'm beginning to think so..
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I'm anti-American by virtue of the fact that I find one Yankee general to be a wanker? I would never say, for example, that Goering was competent, does that make me anti-German?
Anyway, blitzkrieg is good, but Patton's tactics of rushing into things without thinking caused many needless causalities, i.e. sending in tanks without infantry support for speed alone. Talk about a glory hog... Anyway, why would I bring up Stalin? The conversation is about Patton, isn't it?
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.... Besides, he could have saved thousands more troops if he hadn't done his oh-so-daring "lignting fast advances".
as opposed to taking ones time and allowing the enemy to firm up their defences, or maybe even mounting a counterattack, which is what ol' monty was likely to do, if there's any accuracy in the movie Patton
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History can be so cruel. If there ever was a general I would like to have seen humiliated and crushed for their stupid tactics and dumb luck, it would have had to have been Patton. Besides, he could have saved thousands more troops if he hadn't done his oh-so-daring "lignting fast advances".
Stupid tactics?! Those "stupid tactics" had the Germans scared and on the run.
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Read some more books mate, you make it sound like Patton was a God and won the entire war by scaring a German commander. Patton and Monty are both extremly overrated.
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Against the Germany army of 1944, Patton had it easy.... An army that was already defeated, had long since had its victories fade into memory, and was ill equipped, ill supplied, and had basically no man power pool. Patton won not because of tactics or ability, but because the Germans simply had nothing to stop him. Was he the general who was perfect for the situation? Yes. But was he a good general? No. Had he ever faced a german army that was as well supplied, equipped, and reinforced as the Germany army of say, 1940, patton would have easily been cut off, surrounded, and annhilated, much as the germany army was by the russians so many countless times on the ostfront. And never forget, it was Bradley's army that won Normandy, Patton just drove through the hole that the men of the 1st Army had torn open with their lives.
Also, for anyone who thinks Patton was a brilliant general, talk to one of his troops. They tend to sing a different tune. Also, look up "Metz 1944" for when Patton came up against a division or two sized kampfgruppe of SS, pioniere, officer cadets, and recovering wounded soldiers who were able to man the fortresses, and thus offset their numbers. It took 3 months for Patton's entire army to take metz from a scrabbled together bunch of misfits, all because he attempted to employ the same tactics that worked so well when he had no opposition.
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I'll do a Hockeywarrior and try to get this topic back On-topic
Regarding the next theatre, I think it'll be Italy. Due to the Dev's having the props they need and also all the stuff from the F|H Italy campaign.
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Doesn't 'being a good general' basically refer to the ability to properly analyze a military situation and make decisions that best exploit any existing strategic advantages?
If so, Pattons decision to chase a crippled german army on the retreat renders him a good general.
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I don't know where would this Patton debate ended, but i think he is better than most generals nowadays, because he won that war, simple. I would say today's generals are more like political lobbyist than somebody who is doing his job properly. Today, there is too much political correctness which i hate pretty much. General Abrams lost the Vietnam and still got a hero welcome. McCain never really did something big, yet so many people campaigned about his "heroism." Silly Yanks and their political correctness. Now that's what i call "overrated".
Stalin and his great commanders like Chuikov and Zhukov did achieve what they must: win the war. So does Patton, Monty, Bradley, Eisenhower, and friends.
I was ignorant about Finns' war at first, but what have happened those days, it really sets them apart from the rest of European and Scandinavian countries.
Explain, I would like to hear your opinions and arguments, since I'm a Finn. (Sur-f***ing-prise!)
For me Finns are all alone in this. Suits the "Forgotten" theme of FH. They are in allegiance with the Germans, but they are left alone when facing the crushing might of the giant red army (dunno if it had any relation with Ribbentrop-Molotov pact). Now they are not NATO, not Warsaw Pact, yet not even in Non-aligned movement. It is like they couldn't trust anyone else after what have happened to them. There are other European countries like that as well, but not as really as "neutral" as Finland. Speaking about Switzerland (the so-called "neutral"), Sweden, they are pretty much western's big time ally. Finns have quite large tolerance towards the east. They have both western and eastern built weapons in their arsenal. Today, their products dominate the world and for many of us here, they are number one in Scandinavia, so sorry for the Swedes and their old time dominance in Scandinavia. Too bad, not so many people know Nokia is from Finland.
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Finland and germany were, while not literally, enemies during Winter War due to germany refusing to aid finland in their conflict with Soviet Union. Since germany and USSR had Molotov-Ribbentrop pact it was natural that germany wouldnt start fighting against the nation that had divided the baltic with, until later of course. But by then the finns and germans were already in an alliance together when Hitler attacked Soviet Union.
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lol @ Finland being the most prosperous scandinavian country.
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I would not rank Finland so highly compared to the other Scandinavian countries. I think we are more equal in many things. But it is true that Swedens defence plan against attack from anywhere(east) relies on Finlands help. Back to the topic... ostfront would be nice next addition
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But it is true that Swedens defence plan against attack from anywhere(east) relies on Finlands help. Back to the topic... ostfront would be nice next addition
There is a proverb: Swedish army fights to the last Finn. This only applies in the 17th and 18th century tho, when Finland was a part of Sweden.
Let's have some captured finnish t-34s! Ostfront, here we come!
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But it is true that Swedens defence plan against attack from anywhere(east) relies on Finlands help. Back to the topic... ostfront would be nice next addition
There is a proverb: Swedish army fights to the last Finn. This only applies in the 17th and 18th century tho, when Finland was a part of Sweden.
We are still their meat shield.
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TOO MUCH OFFTOPIC ARRRHH!!
OnT: I'd love to see the ardennes offensive after normandy is done, and then eastfront. Gief Jagdtiger and more King Tigers!
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Taranov again on moddb:
n Ardennes missions Marders almost not useful.
Need to remember: Ardennes - it's a big project. Need new uniform, some vehicles, statics etc. But - we have some new stuff before Ardennes ;)
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"we have some new stuff before ardennes ;) "
so ardennes will be the theater after the next theater (new stuff) ;D
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I would interpret it differently: First we get a patch with the other normandy maps that didn't make it into 2.2, then we will get Ardennes.
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I hope they gonna add some Holland (Market Garden) maps with that "Normandy patch" (even that Holland actually isn't Normandy but well you know what I mean - it's basically the same setting) :-\
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To add fuel to the "Who was the most 1337 general" discussion...
Eisenhower's task was far from enviable, what with USA, British Commonwealth and Free French and all their generals seemingly fighting their own personal war and generally whining all the time. To those who say Patton was a reckless gloryhog: exactly what was Montgomery then? He threw a tantrum because Patton was getting things done - luck or not - and pulled a stunt called Market/Garden.
"Hey, let's try to capture a 300 km long and at places only meters wide corridor with coordinated paradrops, no matter that in the previous big operation they went miles and miles off-target with equipment missing, took horrible losses, and achieved their objects only due to surprise. Why, they'll need no support because the cowardly Krauts surely cannot block the one and only road that our tanks will advance in single file. And while we're at it, let's ignore the hard intel we have on the two SS panzer divisions in the target area because making the attack while knowing about them would make me look like an idiot. Yeah, that will end the war because surely, we don't even need to defend this corridor and we can pump infinite amount of troops and logistics through it in no time at all."
Yeah, really wise. Too bad that for that blunder, he got the fuel that Patton was in dire need of. Patton would not have run into reorganized Germans, because they would not have had the time to reorganize, if he had been allowed to press the assault, but that would have been "favouritism" since he had gotten so much fuel already. ::)
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You all have forced me to return. TAKE THIS TO OFF TOPIC PLEASE! It's not that hard. Here's a step by step process to make this clear, in case you're still not sure:
1) Click "Forgotten Hope Public Forum" at the top left
2) Select the Off-topic forum (Hint: there are words which say Off Topic, then Off Topic again below it)
3) Click "New Topic" in the upper left
4) Write about anything you want (Unless it's another "TGIF! ZOMG!" thread), and click Submit.
Any questions? It's not easy, I know, but I'm sure that with a bit of practice, you'll all have this process down in no time!
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You all have forced me to return. TAKE THIS TO OFF TOPIC PLEASE! It's not that hard. Here's a step by step process to make this clear, in case you're still not sure:
1) Click "Forgotten Hope Public Forum" at the top left
2) Select the Off-topic forum (Hint: there are words which say Off Topic, then Off Topic again below it)
3) Click "New Topic" in the upper left
4) Write about anything you want (Unless it's another "TGIF! ZOMG!" thread), and click Submit.
Any questions? It's not easy, I know, but I'm sure that with a bit of practice, you'll all have this process down in no time!
Thank God you explained it in detail I was having a very hard time trying to make a thread, thanks so much....... :-*
no..no.. not really...
But now that you mention it, i think i will! ;D check back later to see it fella's.. we have a new figting thread to discuss how great Patton is! ;D
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You all have forced me to return. TAKE THIS TO OFF TOPIC PLEASE! It's not that hard. Here's a step by step process to make this clear, in case you're still not sure:
1) Click "Forgotten Hope Public Forum" at the top left
2) Select the Off-topic forum (Hint: there are words which say Off Topic, then Off Topic again below it)
3) Click "New Topic" in the upper left
4) Write about anything you want (Unless it's another "TGIF! ZOMG!" thread), and click Submit.
Any questions? It's not easy, I know, but I'm sure that with a bit of practice, you'll all have this process down in no time!
Thank God you explained it in detail I was having a very hard time trying to make a thread, thanks so much....... :-*
no..no.. not really...
But now that you mention it, i think i will! ;D check back later to see it fella's.. we have a new figting thread to discuss how great Patton is! ;D
There already was one: http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=802.0
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You all have forced me to return. TAKE THIS TO OFF TOPIC PLEASE! It's not that hard. Here's a step by step process to make this clear, in case you're still not sure:
1) Click "Forgotten Hope Public Forum" at the top left
2) Select the Off-topic forum (Hint: there are words which say Off Topic, then Off Topic again below it)
3) Click "New Topic" in the upper left
4) Write about anything you want (Unless it's another "TGIF! ZOMG!" thread), and click Submit.
Any questions? It's not easy, I know, but I'm sure that with a bit of practice, you'll all have this process down in no time!
Thank God you explained it in detail I was having a very hard time trying to make a thread, thanks so much....... :-*
no..no.. not really...
But now that you mention it, i think i will! ;D check back later to see it fella's.. we have a new figting thread to discuss how great Patton is! ;D
There already was one: http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=802.0
You killed me rebellious moment.. how dare you.. :o no, but seriously.. mine is a tad different... ;)
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I know that.
Back on topic: I want to see the few maps we know are in production. Operation Cobra, Operation Overlord, Anctoville, Villers Bocage, Battle of Keren, and Juno Beach. All have been spied on the test server, or were mentioned in the changelog. I want more info, damn it!
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I wonder what they mean by Operation Overlord, perhaps they mean the airdrops on D-Day? That'd be awesome, because nobody remembers to mention them, what with Omaha and more recently the Pointe getting all the attention. We need the 82nd Airborne's role to be played!
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I wonder what they mean by Operation Overlord, perhaps they mean the airdrops on D-Day? That'd be awesome, because nobody remembers to mention them, what with Omaha and more recently the Pointe getting all the attention. We need the 82nd Airborne's role to be played!
My personal theory is that it's just a code name. A code name for what, I'm not sure. But My guess is likely an Omaha Beach map. It would make sense to cover up it's existence so that the Devs didn't have rabid fans foaming at the mouth screaming "I watn omahaz!!!111!"
But I'm not sure. Some people think it's just a test map, but they actually have maps like "Normandy Test Range" and stuff, so I think it's just a code name.
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Huh. I hope it isn't Omaha. I've always wanted an Omaha map, but after playing the SP-map of it made by some dude on the modding forums, I'm not sure how anybody can get it to be anything more than a rape-fest. I was just starting to look forward to an Allied version of Crete, at night no less, over the forests of Normandy.
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I think holland/market garden would be easiest to do next because all the current skins would work (AFAIK)
and it would add a totally new type of combat. Plus they could add flame tanks which would be awesome!
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Next theatre with be Italian invasion of Ethopia, I'm sure of it.
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...japp'n.
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Looking at what the devs had already in the unfinished contents, probably it will be more interesting to discuss about what would these maps/theatres would look like.
I guess the Omaha will be another FH-BF1942's Charlie Sector, except we have the Americans spawn DD-tanks to balance the odds? Even bots in thomaslx's Omaha map can screw the beach landing. Sure, there has to be something to fend the gunners off. I hope we can see Utah though, complete with the chunks of airborne units that ambushed retreating Germans.
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I guess the Omaha will be another FH-BF1942's Charlie Sector
Like Lobo said long ago that he has reserved Omaha for himself and it WONT be like FH's Charlie, it would be like real deal instead.
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Wow the boss is in charge. ;D
If it's true, i would be playing it not for the intense combat then, but finding easter eggs and hidden stuffs.
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yeah if there is omaha it would suck i mean it in every game for ww2 most, and plus the americans have there landing map any way at the mo point de hoc give me juno beach any day, as the stuff is already stated in the change log any way
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Eastern front would be cool...
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Against the Germany army of 1944, Patton had it easy.... An army that was already defeated, had long since had its victories fade into memory, and was ill equipped, ill supplied, and had basically no man power pool. Patton won not because of tactics or ability, but because the Germans simply had nothing to stop him. Was he the general who was perfect for the situation? Yes. But was he a good general? No. Had he ever faced a german army that was as well supplied, equipped, and reinforced as the Germany army of say, 1940, patton would have easily been cut off, surrounded, and annhilated, much as the germany army was by the russians so many countless times on the ostfront. And never forget, it was Bradley's army that won Normandy, Patton just drove through the hole that the men of the 1st Army had torn open with their lives.
Also, for anyone who thinks Patton was a brilliant general, talk to one of his troops. They tend to sing a different tune. Also, look up "Metz 1944" for when Patton came up against a division or two sized kampfgruppe of SS, pioniere, officer cadets, and recovering wounded soldiers who were able to man the fortresses, and thus offset their numbers. It took 3 months for Patton's entire army to take metz from a scrabbled together bunch of misfits, all because he attempted to employ the same tactics that worked so well when he had no opposition.
Quit making excuses for the Germans...Patton fought in North Africa, Sicily AND France, and he beat the hell out of the Germans in all three places(hence, why he was so feared by them). You ain't gonna sit there and tell me he fought against a weak army everywhere he went, cause that's just BS. In France, Patton more often than not, made quick work of the Germans, the same can't be said for the rest of the allied generals in France. Hitler sent his best to engage Patton, cause Patton was the best the allies had.
I don't see how any soldier could not respect a general that was often on the front line directing fire and dodging bullets and artillery shells with his men. From what I read on Patton, most who fought under him, respected the hell out of him and say that his words and actions were inspirational. My grandpa fought under Patton in World War 2, so next time I see him I'll ask him what he and others thought of Patton.
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and on all three places IIRC the german army was allready weakened as hell. i agree with Mudra.
just look at the german technology, it is Supperior. Ammo, Training, Weapons, Vehicles. with the exeption of air vehicles. An complete german army would annihilated the guy and driven the allies back to the sea. Ofcourse it is Good that the allies won. no nazi supporting. just fact.
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Next theatre with be Italian invasion of Ethopia, I'm sure of it.
can't wait to fire my arrows..., I am sure they'll be more handy than carcanos.
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I call jap's.Cant wait to fight for the emperor!
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Quit making excuses for the Germans...Patton fought in North Africa, Sicily AND France, and he beat the hell out of the Germans in all three places(hence, why he was so feared by them).
I'm no WW2 nut like these fellas, but I know a lot, and that statement alone is BS. The Germans we already defeated when rolled into North Africa, and the first meeting between Germany US as I recall the US got whooped with gun-ho tactics at Kasserine despite being advised by the British not to do so.
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yeah if there is omaha it would suck i mean it in every game for ww2 most, and plus the americans have there landing map any way at the mo point de hoc give me juno beach any day, as the stuff is already stated in the change log any way
We have yet to see a historical accurate Omaha. I'm thinking mostly of how the beach and hills(plus defense etc) looked. Hopefully, FH2 will nail this.
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As i said, any theater would do, and why bother having more interesting Normandy maps? Are we that "so hard trying to self-distinguish from mainstream WW2 fans" kind of player? If FH2 decided make Indochina after this, well God knows... but i'll enjoy anyway.
Of all WW2 games i know, American Normandy is depicted on Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Brothers in Arms, Company of Heroes, well... Commandos, Blitzkrieg, Battlefield 1942, and so on (just Wiki/Google it). But they also have East front, North Africa, Norway, Finland, Pacific, Indochina, and Italy. Yeah, can't deny that it has been depicted too many times. But i don't see any reason why FH devs shouldn't attempt to create their better version of it.
IMHO, FH2 presented the best Normandy atmosphere of all games that i've played, even better those who are commercially success and award winning ones. Honest! Loved how they do the bushes, grasses and hedgerows. None like it!
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Quit making excuses for the Germans...Patton fought in North Africa, Sicily AND France, and he beat the hell out of the Germans in all three places(hence, why he was so feared by them).
I'm no WW2 nut like these fellas, but I know a lot, and that statement alone is BS. The Germans we already defeated when rolled into North Africa, and the first meeting between Germany US as I recall the US got whooped with gun-ho tactics at Kasserine despite being advised by the British not to do so.
Patton took command after Kasserine Pass. The reason the Americans had such a bad time was poor or obsolete equipment, lack of experience and poor commanding. They were thrown in at the deep end, so I suppose you can't blame them.
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Quit making excuses for the Germans...Patton fought in North Africa, Sicily AND France, and he beat the hell out of the Germans in all three places(hence, why he was so feared by them).
I'm no WW2 nut like these fellas, but I know a lot, and that statement alone is BS. The Germans we already defeated when rolled into North Africa, and the first meeting between Germany US as I recall the US got whooped with gun-ho tactics at Kasserine despite being advised by the British not to do so.
Patton took command after Kasserine Pass. The reason the Americans had such a bad time was poor or obsolete equipment, lack of experience and poor commanding. They were thrown in at the deep end, so I suppose you can't blame them.
"poor commanding", and patton was in command. So yeah, perhaps you can't blame the soliders, but you can blame patton.
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All this Patton was good/bad BS can continue in this thread: http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=802.0 (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=802.0)
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and on all three places IIRC the german army was allready weakened as hell. i agree with Mudra.
just look at the german technology, it is Supperior. Ammo, Training, Weapons, Vehicles. with the exeption of air vehicles. An complete german army would annihilated the guy and driven the allies back to the sea. Ofcourse it is Good that the allies won. no nazi supporting. just fact.
Exactly.
And btw, my grandpa fought under Patton too. He was wounded twice under Patton. He hated the man.
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Quit making excuses for the Germans...Patton fought in North Africa, Sicily AND France, and he beat the hell out of the Germans in all three places(hence, why he was so feared by them).
I'm no WW2 nut like these fellas, but I know a lot, and that statement alone is BS. The Germans we already defeated when rolled into North Africa, and the first meeting between Germany US as I recall the US got whooped with gun-ho tactics at Kasserine despite being advised by the British not to do so.
Patton took command after Kasserine Pass. The reason the Americans had such a bad time was poor or obsolete equipment, lack of experience and poor commanding. They were thrown in at the deep end, so I suppose you can't blame them.
"poor commanding", and patton was in command. So yeah, perhaps you can't blame the soliders, but you can blame patton.
He also said Patton took command AFTER Kasserine pass ;)
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Quit making excuses for the Germans...Patton fought in North Africa, Sicily AND France, and he beat the hell out of the Germans in all three places(hence, why he was so feared by them).
I'm no WW2 nut like these fellas, but I know a lot, and that statement alone is BS. The Germans we already defeated when rolled into North Africa, and the first meeting between Germany US as I recall the US got whooped with gun-ho tactics at Kasserine despite being advised by the British not to do so.
Patton took command after Kasserine Pass. The reason the Americans had such a bad time was poor or obsolete equipment, lack of experience and poor commanding. They were thrown in at the deep end, so I suppose you can't blame them.
"poor commanding", and patton was in command. So yeah, perhaps you can't blame the soliders, but you can blame patton.
He also said Patton took command AFTER Kasserine pass ;)
Ah, my apologies then :P
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Next post about Patton or whoever gets deleted. Use the offtopic forum (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=802.45) for offtopic discussions.
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Next post about Patton or whoever gets deleted. Use the offtopic forum (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=802.45) for offtopic discussions.
Ugh thanks for finally showing up. My attempts to control these kids have apparently failed.
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Zis G4m3 needz mOar carro armatozz
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Someone give Lighting a "Patton" the back, for controlling the masses. ;)
Sorry....couldn't resist
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I think we get a render of patton tonight, maybe some ingame screenshots!?!?! :D
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(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/phillipwilson/zombie.jpg)
That is next!
(image edited by philip :P )
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(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/phillipwilson/zombie.jpg)
That is next!
(image edited by philip :P )
How original! Airborne Zombies! :o :o :o :o
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Awesome image.
And thats a ranger SA.
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super! have it as desktop background now, it pwned Flippys style-death image even ;D ;D
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So... I was just thinking... when we ever get to Italy, are we going to have the RSI?
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That and a company of Fiat3000
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So... I was just thinking... when we ever get to Italy...?
Yeah I want to see Naples and die as well. :P
Vedi Napoli e poi Muori
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I'm hurt and confused.
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i need more sp map ;D
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I saw a new map running on the Dev server, Port-en-Bessen ;D.
I researched it and found this:
PORT-EN-BESSIN Calvados - 9 km north of Bayeux
The joining between Gold Beach and Omaha Beach
Port-in-Bessin was a little fishing harbor west of Arromanches in Normandy, it was situated between two landing zones, Omaha Beach the Vth American Corps sector, and Gold Beach the XXXth British Corps sector. The 47th Royal Marine Commando came ashore east of Arromanches and progressed toward Port-en-Bessin; at night the Commando stopped a few kilometers from the objective. On 7 June the British launched the attack with fighter bombers support; about forty men were killed to conquest the harbor western side. In the same day, the Americans of the 16th Regimental Combat Team landed on Omaha beach, they entered Sainte-Honorine-des-Pertes and reached Huppain. On 8 June in the morning, the British commandos liberated Port-en-Bessin and made junction with Americans troops of the 29th Infantry division.
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;)
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I think half the Dev team is thinking now= He knows to much.
(http://www.kustu.com/w2/_media/images:films:autres:apocalypse_now.jpg) and black agents Amiright? ;D :D
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Hey all I know, is that it's an awesome map ;d
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Aw man, arisaka99 and Thorondor123 (who holds back his info >:() , if your going to be a spy for us, you should at least try to keep your cover, now like THeTAO0123 said, the Devs. are going to send Black ops. to eliminate their threat, you. :(
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Don't worry, when you see the black helicopters I'm already far far away.
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There won't come black helicopters, all he said is that the map is awesome, and indeed it is awesome.
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And it got a Ma.. Do I hear choppers?
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maus? ;D I accually wouldn't be that excited.
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I think I answered the question, what's next? More Normandy :D! That's exactly what I wanted. I am happy ;D.
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Devs just added the E50 into the modbuild! So I can say offically, that the next theatre will be germans in China in 1946!
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Port En whatever "old News". Theres alot of Port-en-Bessen statics in the FH Files.. and also theres a new skybox :P
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Devs just added the E50 into the modbuild! So I can say offically, that the next theatre will be germans in China in 1946!
Eh, 1946? that isn't even WW2....
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I agree, let's go back to 1863. Germans at Chancellorsville.
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Devs just added the E50 into the modbuild! So I can say offically, that the next theatre will be germans in China in 1946!
Oh come on you know that's 'humbug'! The next theatre will be the attack on the Nazi Moonbase!
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Devs just added the E50 into the modbuild! So I can say offically, that the next theatre will be germans in China in 1946!
Oh come on you know that's 'humbug'! The next theatre will be the attack on the Nazi Moonbase!
isnt there a movie meant to be commming out based on that???
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you mean the germans counter attack from their moonbase.
(movie is called iron sky, cant wait )
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NASA knows about the moon base, they launched a missile against it some days ago, saying they were searching for water on the moon! Moon-Nazies might retaliate :S
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NASA knows about the moon base, they launched a missile against it some days ago, saying they were searching for water on the moon! Moon-Nazies might retaliate :S
http://blog.starwreck.com/2009/10/10/hahaa-missed-us-diese-schweinehunde/
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I think operation market garden would be the next theathre. Then possible Battle of the Bulge
However, many many major battles of the Normandy campaign are missing. The Fightings in and around Caen. Operation cobra, Operation Perch....
Still many missing ;D
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I think were going to see cheese making windmills
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I think were going to see cheese making windmills
Thank god! that is very critical to this mod, I don't know how they made it so far without them already...
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I think were going to see cheese making windmills
Cheese making windmills? I wonder if those things even exist, I also wonder if that is even possible, probably not.
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Dont be Fooled, the be Madagaskar.
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I just want more and don't wanna wait forever. :) I don't need a new theatre. It would be awesome to have another large chunk of Normandy maps to play. More variety to keep everything fresh.
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RSI, RSI!!!
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I just want more and don't wanna wait forever. :) I don't need a new theatre. It would be awesome to have another large chunk of Normandy maps to play. More variety to keep everything fresh.
No need to worry, we have many more Normandy maps coming up.
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Kev ;D, what about news update? Have devs come back from vacation? And the stats system is still in construction?
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Everyone knows we'll be getting an interim patch, Phillip. Operation Cobra, presumably the much joked-about Omaha, the new commando raid map people have talked about, and maybe one or two fan maps for Africa. The only question is when that'll all be ready.
As for the new theatre, Taranov already confirmed that the Ardennes is next, but it'll take a long time, so expect lots more Normandy in the mean time.
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Sounds good Meadow
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Everyone knows we'll be getting an interim patch, Phillip. Operation Cobra, presumably the much joked-about Omaha, the new commando raid map people have talked about, and maybe one or two fan maps for Africa. The only question is when that'll all be ready.
As for the new theatre, Taranov already confirmed that the Ardennes is next, but it'll take a long time, so expect lots more Normandy in the mean time.
so they are gunna do late normandy and france maps before they start the Ardennes?
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Omaha, as mentioned in the post you quoted, sure is a "late Normandy" map. :p
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Taranov appearntly said Battle of the bulge is next.Imo an excellent choise.. It would however, require many new vehicles
1.M101 howitsers and preferably 155MM longtoms( They where very common on the field)
2.M36 Jackson
3.M18 Hellcat
4.Brummbar
5.Sturmtiger
6.Jagdpanther
And if the mobile artillery system gets working
Priests
Wespe's
Grille's
Not sure if Hummels participated in the Bulge.
But many vehicles would require reskins, so GL to the devs.
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As Taranov said on Moddb, basically everything needs a reskin. So don't hold your breath.
I'm looking forward to 'many new Normandy maps', though. Can't wait.
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hopefully the next patch is forthcoming very soon as we are already slipping in North America's playerbase.
I would prefer more incremental releases, instead of massive patches that wait for the mod to die before it gets resuscitated with a huge whack of content. More of an effort to keep interests up would be more preferable than waiting more than 6 months per patch.
Just throwing it out there but will the devs ever take in the tournament maps and use them as fillers between major releases. I liked all the tournament maps that have been released to date but i do wonder why none of these maps have been incorporated officially.
(for example, the WaW map pack from fall of 2008 had some great stuff but none of it has made its' way into the mod as of yet. what's the hold up?)
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Im still waiting for Kasserine... or i have to make it?
:D
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Judging from the test server + statics in the files we might see a Port en bessin map.
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hopefully the next patch is forthcoming very soon as we are already slipping in North America's playerbase.
I would prefer more incremental releases, instead of massive patches that wait for the mod to die before it gets resuscitated with a huge whack of content. More of an effort to keep interests up would be more preferable than waiting more than 6 months per patch.
Just throwing it out there but will the devs ever take in the tournament maps and use them as fillers between major releases. I liked all the tournament maps that have been released to date but i do wonder why none of these maps have been incorporated officially.
(for example, the WaW map pack from fall of 2008 had some great stuff but none of it has made its' way into the mod as of yet. what's the hold up?)
I agree, incremental patches are better. You still get excited, and many more come. They also allow the mods to experiment a little bit more.
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It also doesn't overwhelm the developers with fixing bugs and problems that beta-testers missed.
(Make it sound good for them, and they will see it your way.. ;))
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Im still waiting for Kasserine... or i have to make it?
:D
Indeed... Kasserine and operation Torch, for that matter - even with placeholder German troops... Kinda thought this would have been a 2.15 patch, since it was clear the Americans were up next, what with the Tiger and all
But I'm all so excited about the Ardenne as next patch - Personally, I think it will be the lightest update as far as major theater shifts are concerned - Reskinning, sure - Everything - definitely... But it requires alot less new stuff than any other theater... Maybe new uniforms for both sides....
Really excited...
And yer, its way better to have updates 2 - 3 months interval than over 6months - Normandy was a big deal so it was worth the year wait, but I don't think the community will be that forgiving after it... not me saying, just noting human attitude is all
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many mods lose popularity that way.
Smaller patches over time wich add 3 or 4 maps are far better then 6 -8 months releases
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many mods lose popularity that way.
Smaller patches over time wich add 3 or 4 maps are far better then 6 -8 months releases
As far as I agree with you guys, but 3-4 maps TAKE 6-8 months.
The mappers can't just work on new maps, they have to think about developing the mod further as well.
A major release like FH2.2 can take more than a year!
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I know that, and i respect you guys for the work, but it will be difficult to wait another 8 months for a release ;) ;) ;)
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I think it's obvious that the small and often release strategy is better than the big and rare one. Let's hope it's feasible for the developers to do so.
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I think it's obvious that the small and often release strategy is better than the big and rare one...
Agreed. For a number of reasons, the main one being...
This latest Battlefield 3 news has come from a PDF document which was a upcoming features list and it contained the following information:
* Set in year modern day, as BF was
* Ticket-based game-play
* Maps are themed around urban backdrops, based in Middle East
* Squads, Commanders, and new Battalions
* 48 different vehicles 24 unique vehicles each side
* 34 different weapons, 17 for each side and 22 unlocks, a total 56 weapons.
* Unique Soldier features, create your own characters and avatars
* In-game replay and recording features (Very popular in BF2)
* Auto software updater much like PKR poker style updates meaning no more stupid patches
* Same classes as BF2: Sniper, Assault, Engineer, Medic and Support
* Full DirectX11 support
* Currently only Vista & Windows 7 have been listed as requirements (We suspect XP support, but we are still waiting confirmation on this one)
EA has not confirmed these but did indeed reply with a “You will have to wait and see”...
(from http://battlefield3blog.com/category/news)
...the clock is ticking! ;D
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many mods lose popularity that way.
Smaller patches over time wich add 3 or 4 maps are far better then 6 -8 months releases
As far as I agree with you guys, but 3-4 maps TAKE 6-8 months.
The mappers can't just work on new maps, they have to think about developing the mod further as well.
A major release like FH2.2 can take more than a year!
Not when I make them :P
But that's why they won't be included with FH2 :-\
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I think it's obvious that the small and often release strategy is better than the big and rare one...
Agreed. For a number of reasons, the main one being...
This latest Battlefield 3 news has come from a PDF document which was a upcoming features list and it contained the following information:
* Set in year modern day, as BF was
* Ticket-based game-play
* Maps are themed around urban backdrops, based in Middle East
* Squads, Commanders, and new Battalions
* 48 different vehicles 24 unique vehicles each side
* 34 different weapons, 17 for each side and 22 unlocks, a total 56 weapons.
* Unique Soldier features, create your own characters and avatars
* In-game replay and recording features (Very popular in BF2)
* Auto software updater much like PKR poker style updates meaning no more stupid patches
* Same classes as BF2: Sniper, Assault, Engineer, Medic and Support
* Full DirectX11 support
* Currently only Vista & Windows 7 have been listed as requirements (We suspect XP support, but we are still waiting confirmation on this one)
EA has not confirmed these but did indeed reply with a “You will have to wait and see”...
(from http://battlefield3blog.com/category/news)
...the clock is ticking! ;D
That's just sad, why do they stick with the middle-east, it's been overdone now. I'm tired of sand and yellow. sounds like it (except the fact that there is many different vehicles unlike bf2 which had like 5-6 for each side) will be just like BF2, only updated graphic and doubtful XP support
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Yeah, getting desert sand stuck in your crack is no fun, but think of how good FH will be... ;)
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* Auto software updater much like PKR poker style updates meaning no more stupid patches
Lol, i dont know if this makes me happy
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The maximal number of players on the server would be interesting..
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* Auto software updater much like PKR poker style updates meaning no more stupid patches
Lol, i dont know if this makes me happy
Scenario:
"BF3 releases update that makes mods incompatible! *Auto-downloading*"
FFFUUUUUUUU....!
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* Auto software updater much like PKR poker style updates meaning no more stupid patches
Lol, i dont know if this makes me happy
Scenario:
"BF3 releases update that makes mods incompatible! *Auto-downloading*"
FFFUUUUUUUU....!
Sshhh...don't say that, they might be listening!
Can't say I'm a fan of auto-updates...don't like the idea of having to wait for countless small updates to DL if I have to do a re-install...
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Wow, that's a blast from the past. That 'pdf' is a fake news story from summer 2007, discredited early 2008. Don't know why it's doing the rounds again.
BF3 is confirmed though yes, but won't be here for at least 18 months.
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Damn it, I was going off the date on the site I got it from (it's dated the 23-Oct-09)...:P
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The maximal number of players on the server would be interesting..
Hehe, maximal.
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The maximal number of players on the server would be interesting..
Hehe, maximal.
that's german, bitches ;)
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Yeah, english is for hundsfotzige Bangerte...
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LOL Indonesian for that is maksimal.
I never get used to "maximum" entirely. Anyway, FH0.7 continued to run even after BF2 was released.
Smaller map releases and new vehicles!
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It's "maximaal" in Dutch. Though "Maximum" is also a valid word, it comes down to the grammar really:
- Maximaal 3 personen = Maximum (of) 3 persons/people
- 3 personen, dat is het maximum = 3 persons, that's the maximum
- Het maximum is 3 ton = The maximum is 3 tons
I rememebr being laughed at when I gave a thread title the word "Augustus" in it rather than"August", a slight mistake, i wrote the Dutch spelling for this month rather than the ENglish spelling. Only when some-one posted "LOLLL AugustUS?!" did I realize /notice the mistake.
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Anyway, despite the OT:
What it looks like is that next version is 2.26, and will include Ramelle-Neuville, Ste. Mere Eglise and Port en Bessin, to name a few. The citroens will probably be on the two latter. the 231 could be anywhere.
And yes, i have a black-helicopter-proof shelter.
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<giggles> Your so wrong.
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<giggles> Your so wrong.
about the shelter, maybe.
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<giggles> Your so wrong.
about the shelter, maybe.
Nah, not being a beta tester is the best shelter. But you're wrong about the patch content.
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*gets even more exicted and giggling like a girl after hearing that
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2.26 should give you a small hint about the content. Now I have to hide from da choppa... ahrggh.
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*gets even more exicted and giggling like a girl after hearing that
In next patch, no Churchills.
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*gets even more exicted and giggling like a girl after hearing that
In next patch, no Churchills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzYRvaD-xkQ
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*gets even more exicted and giggling like a girl after hearing that
In next patch, no Churchills.
Fatality!!!!!
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all tanks replaced with crusaders and panthers. YES!
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all tanks replaced with crusaders and panthers. YES!
no
All tanks replaced with crusader AA and wirbelwind :v
MORTAL COMBAT!
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You know, initially Port en Bessin was crawling with Churchills, but then you started bickering and natty made it an infantry map.
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You know, initially Port en Bessin was crawling with Churchills, but then you started bickering and natty made it an infantry map.
That's a crime against humanity.
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I know, so many Churchills on that beautiful map, sure was a crime. Glad Natty got rid of them.
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Too bad he scrapped that flamethrowing version though.
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I know, so many Churchills on that beautiful map, sure was a crime. Glad Natty got rid of them.
You're a bad seed >:(
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Stfu all of you.
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It was a real playground for the Hobart's Funnies. What a waste.
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that bridge laying version was a bit excessive though.
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i liked that maus which was in harbour :)
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(http://www.gobblin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/darth_vader_noooo1.jpg)
yes thats natty in the background
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i liked that maus which was in harbour :)
I wish Torenico was here :(