Return the APDS shells to the churchill

[THeTA0123]

Well it is indeed very odd..

You have the 6PDR, the 2 PDR the 17 PDR.
But then you have the Ordnance QF 75 mm and 77mm HV
The 25 PDR

but then they call there medium howitzers the 4.5 and 5.5 Inch
The AA guns aswel=
2PDR POM POM

But then you have QF 3.7 inch AA gun

Very confusing indeed

[Zoologic]

IMHO,

The weight of a shell affects the penetration more than the diameter. The heavier the shell, the more it improves the kinetic momentum of the projectile, and perhaps... deeper penetration.

You can have 105 mm cannon, but if it's short barreled, it won't scratch a damn thing.

And well, the shape of the projectile and its composition affects much more though.

[Kev4000]

Weight + velocity. Also material hardness, when it comes to APDS, APCR and APC to a lesser extent.
Diameter and weight are not good classification systems for determining penetration.
Shell size/propellant is of more importance. I was contemplating new ammo icons to represent this, but did not find time to implement it yet.

[Thorondor123]

The factors that matter are actually the length and density of the projectile

[Kev4000]

The factors that matter are actually the length and density of the projectile

Then a 75mm sherman would be almost as powerful as a firefly. The real difference is in the shell or amount of propellant.

[Thorondor123]

The factors that matter are actually the length and density of the projectile

Then a 75mm sherman would be almost as powerful as a firefly. The real difference is in the shell or amount of propellant.

Talking about the projectile.

[kingtiger1891]

Nice, with the come back of one-shotting-tiger APDS and the inability of Tiger/Panther to one shot it even from SIDE in point blank, we can officially claim that Churchill is the best tank in Totalize.

This is even worse than 2.3 times where you have pzg40 or at least one shot it from side by Tiger/Panther's regular AP Good news is it seems to be the time to do some 2.3 style easy panzer hunting again.

[THeTA0123]

Nice, with the come back of one-shotting-tiger APDS and the inability of Tiger/Panther to one shot it even from SIDE in point blank, we can officially claim that Churchill is the best tank in Totalize.

This is even worse than 2.3 times where you have pzg40 or at least one shot it from side by Tiger/Panther's regular AP Good news is it seems to be the time to do some 2.3 style easy panzer hunting again.

Hahahahahaha no

Go away with your continued german bias. I suggested something wich actually made the churchill less powerfull because it removes the ability to damage/kill the panther tank on totalize. Guess what is the most numorous tank in totalize?

[sheikyerbouti]

When reading stuff like this I always wonder why the Brits never adopted the mm system instead of the pound system for their guns. Is there any reason for this, apart from the fact that the Brits like to do things differently?

The metric ammo/gun designation system sort of 'speaks' to me, logic-wise. But the pounds, it doesn't make any sense to catalogue a gun on weight. I mean, it implies that a 6 pounder can take ammo that weighs the same but is of a different calibre. Not trolling here, I realised it is something I hardly know anything about.

When reading about technical aspects for example the difference between a 5 and 6 pound gun means nothing to me, while the difference between a 76mm gun and an 88 is clear; it simply is a bigger gun with a bigger shell.

 it's all about history,

 The weight of the shell is actually effective to determine whether or not a gunner can handle the projectile on his own.  In the British army, this goes back to the very first days of cannons on ships.

[kingtiger1891]

Go away with your continued german bias. I suggested something wich actually made the churchill less powerfull because it removes the ability to damage/kill the panther tank on totalize. Guess what is the most numorous tank in totalize?

The only change to Panther is the cupola issue finally got fixed, which was suggested from 2.2 old days. Others stay the same.

Anyway, if the devs decided to do it like this, I don't bother to give any suggestions. Now why I don't enjoy my time driving it on Totalize, I always have fun with this kind of buggy vehicles

[VonMudra]

The factors that matter are actually the length and density of the projectile

Then a 75mm sherman would be almost as powerful as a firefly. The real difference is in the shell or amount of propellant.

Don't forget length of barrel itself.  Longer length means more energy stored up means faster velocity means more penetration and better accuracy/range.

[THeTA0123]

Yep. Perfectly example= Panzer IV with short barreld KWK 23 7.5CM and Panzer IV with KWK 40