The current state of balance (2.26)

[Ciupita]

in almost every source the Panther's frontal hull is recorded as 80mm bent at 35 degree, leads to 80/(sin 35)= 140mm

yes, but it depends on QUALITY of armour, not how much there is.

[THeTA0123]

in almost every source the Panther's frontal hull is recorded as 80mm bent at 35 degree, leads to 80/(sin 35)= 140mm

yes, but it depends on QUALITY of armour, not how much there is.

Thank you

And 2/3 of all panthers had bad armor quality and cracks in welding in Normandy.

And the same old discussion goes on. Let us stop right now to prevent another war.

[blue]

HVAP removed on shermans? Sure. 1S1K on KT? ye thats lame... shouldnt be in
Panzers underpowerd? hell no. They arent.

If it is any consolation to you, I agree and this is more or less how I would change things myself. I do not think the current state is really unbalanced. Just a few tweaks like that and we would be set.

[kingtiger1891]

Some people say it's less than 140mm, some say it's more than 140mm, so the current coding is just fair.

[9.Pz Kreuzer]

God, what a thread...

Special rounds (PzG40, HVAP APDS etc.) should be out, it doesn't work very well ingame, mostly due to the fact that you don't have to save them for another day and instead people cruise around with them loaded most of the time, especially if you just got killed by a Tiger or Panther  
I think that would decrease the worst of these "omg!wtf! killed me in that with that for there! LAME!!"

Other than that I think the tanks in FH2 works out as they should quite well.
Panther was good, but far from invincible.

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Sad thing though with the engine that can't see difference from 10 degree and 90 degrees angle hits which make large tanks like the Panther with it's quite weak side armor a very good target.
Top armor hits are very rare as far as I have seen, but I guess it happens at shorter ranges  
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[Fuchs]

Top armor hits are very common on Totalize near the Windmill, Axis heavy tanks go into the river to cross it, I can 1 shoot a Panther with a Cromwell then. Had this a couple of times (don't tank quite often) and with Mudra aboard we both had a WTF moment.

[Mazz]

Ya, but thats also the Panther's fault for not knowing whats ahead of him, since you can clear the opposite coastline to the the haystacks in the field with a quick side-screen look.

You put a Panther on the road near that windmill and give him cover from the Typhoons, and he can be there ALL round (I have a 85-34-0 screenshot to prove that if necessary). There is nothing currently wrong with the Panthers, just people try to use it for things that are not what it is made for.

[AdamPA1006]

Why arent tigers and panthers feared in normandy like valentines and matildas are feared in africa? You actually have to think and coordinate to take them out in africa, For tigers and panthers almost any guns the allies have can kill them easily! Whats with that! And pz4 gun cant one shot a sherman from the front??? wtf....

[THeTA0123]

Why arent tigers and panthers feared in normandy like valentines and matildas are feared in africa? You actually have to think and coordinate to take them out in africa, For tigers and panthers almost any guns the allies have can kill them easily! Whats with that! And pz4 gun cant one shot a sherman from the front??? wtf....

Because they could be killed like that IRL.

Panthers had SHIT side and top armor. This has been said by everyone multiple times.
Tigers where feared alot by allied tankers, but fireflies and TD's could handle them

The matilda/valentine/KV was so feared by the germans when encounterd because they had Absolutly Nothing to kill them. None of their tanks or anti-tank guns could kill them. They had to improvise heavily or rely fully on airsupport, in wich stuka's had to score almost direct hits to take these tanks out.

By the time tanks like the above where taken out in 1941-1942, they caused alot of damage. A KV-2 for example, destroyed 25 germans, killed 100 german troops and stalled half a devision for an entire day.

[Paavopesusieni]

You know sherman and cromwells were much more shit, try to geet over it German design and tactics were so MUCH better. They only had lack of resources, stop saying German sucked when they did better when you take the numbers to account. You jealous allied bias .

look how well axis did with such a lack of resources and manpower, that got to mean something.

[Ciupita]

You know sherman and cromwells were much more shit, try to geet over it German design and tactics were so MUCH better. They only had lack of resources, stop saying German sucked when they did better when you take the numbers to account. You jealous allied bias .

look how well axis did with such a lack of resources and manpower, that got to mean something.

german tactics were good yes. players' tactics in FH2 sucks and that's why they get slaughtered.

When in panther, you should have two tanks covering your both flanks and always front towards enemy.

[Paavopesusieni]

Not that easy in FH when maps have all sorts of shit everywhere obstructing your view and engagement ranges are like 100 meters.

[Ciupita]

Not that easy in FH when maps have all sorts of shit everywhere obstructing your view and engagement ranges are like 100 meters.

haven't caused problems for me

[THeTA0123]

You know sherman and cromwells were much more shit, try to geet over it German design and tactics were so MUCH better. They only had lack of resources, stop saying German sucked when they did better when you take the numbers to account. You jealous allied bias .

look how well axis did with such a lack of resources and manpower, that got to mean something.

You just look upon the sherman as shit..But it wassent designed in the same way as german tanks.

What you're problem is is that you look upon everything allied that is shit. You are the one truly biased to one side.

I only play with the allies because they are more of an challenge and because i love big explosions...and the 75mm HE shells do that for me

[Smiles]

Yesterday on Op Cobra i recieved 3 direct hits on the front of the Panther (from two different M4A1, i survived m all three and blew them up, please note: i was already hit twice by an allied plane and had only three bars health left. If that isnt enough for you Axis psychos i can only advice you to look for another game.
I think its perfectly fine atm, if your stupid enough to fail to secure your flanks, byebye.