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Bastogne 64
« on: 16-07-2011, 22:07:58 »
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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #1 on: 18-07-2011, 02:07:46 »
The P-47 feels quite awkward for this map, due to visual range and the speed of the plane + it's slow maneuvering speeds.
Tends to slam into the ground or a tree after it has managed to do a attack run.

Maybe another 76 sherman instead of this vehicle would benefit the US team better.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #2 on: 18-07-2011, 18:07:55 »
You need to have Goljatti flying that thing and you will come into other conclusions.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #3 on: 18-07-2011, 19:07:02 »
Replace a 75mm jumbo with a 76mm jumbo. And the ticket bleed for allies is ridiculous

Ticket bleed should only start when all flags BUT bastogne is captured.. And the tanks the allies then get are not up to the task AT all.

Also the Jumbo should be fixed. 1s1k from PZIV is ridiculous from the front.
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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #4 on: 18-07-2011, 19:07:32 »
It used to have a 76mm Jumbo but there were a lot of talk about the Jumbo's being on all of the three bulge maps and one of them being 76mm which was very rare, even more so than the 75mm. So if we have Jumbo's, they are most likely going to be 75mm.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #5 on: 18-07-2011, 21:07:51 »
So for the allies "historical accuracy" is used....ye got it

It is still heavily needed here guys.. So far i havent saw a single match of Bastogne being won. The front flags are very easily capped in wich the germans only need to hold the middle flag to win. And the armor is simply Not enough to counterattack, let alone hold the last flags
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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #6 on: 18-07-2011, 21:07:50 »
I agree. The whole fighting around the town of Bastogne is rarely taken place because the germans just need to capture 3 flags to have americans bleeding.

Nevertheless Bastogne is one great map. It feels so great to play this map on the 126 player server. You got fighting with infantery in the woods. Shooting at Panzers with the AT guns. Few housefighting situations. Tanks driving all around. Heavy Artillery to destroy the advancing german Panthers. The map feels really great.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #7 on: 20-07-2011, 00:07:15 »
We had small discussion on Hslan on the other day. So, why the planes?

BoB, or Ardennes Offensive, is notorius of the bad wheather which gave Axis upper hand. Why? Because Allied air superiority couldn't be used. Needless to say, so couldn't the Axis. On map the wheather is bad (= visibility is low) like it was in real life. Airforce was used during the Offensive, but fighters only when the wheather was clear. Therefore it should not be hard to induce there should be no planes in the map.

These are the facts, but of course the map maker has freedom to use his artistic liberties and dictartorship on his own creation.

P.S. That's was the critical feedback part. The map is awesome piece of work.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #8 on: 20-07-2011, 15:07:31 »
The P-47 feels quite awkward for this map, due to visual range and the speed of the plane + it's slow maneuvering speeds..
The view distance can be increased if players keep having problems with flying.

So for the allies "historical accuracy" is used..
The 76mm Jumbo was indeed replaced with a regular Jumbo because it was too rare. However, I can imagine that another Hellcat could have the same impact on the balance of this map.

We had small discussion on Hslan on the other day. So, why the planes?
You have to understand that this map is not just about the siege. It's about the entire battle, from the fighting that took place before the 101st even arrived to the US counter attack that lasted until January. During the first days the weather was bad, that is true. But later in the battle the weather improved and the P47s flew whenever possible.

I tried to recreate this by giving the US team planes that spawn only after several flags have been captured. And the German plane represents the bombings that the Luftwaffe carried out during the battle. I'll admit it's still debatable how many planes should be on this map (if any). I think the current amount is reasonable at least.

(one of the sources I used: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Ardennes:_Battle_of_the_Bulge/Chapter_XIX)

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #9 on: 21-07-2011, 15:07:47 »
The map itself is brilliant , the balance is slightly axis favoured.
Another hellcat should do the trick.
But even more crucial than the vehicular component is the flag layout. Its too easy for axis to capture mont and in public games allied team frequently do not defend mont AT ALL only to have their main base capped and then are wondering "hey wait a sec waht da hell just happened !!!1! ". Mont is the only most important point in the map and allies constantly dont bother defending it.

I dont know how that can be balanced, it needs to be shown on the map to have more importance then other flags , or , dont allow main base cap unless mont and one other flank is secured. Or something because still havent seen an allied win but have seen some very close ones.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #10 on: 21-07-2011, 15:07:04 »
If the map is intended to be about the whole battle, and if we want the fighting to move into Bastogne proper more often, then I would suggest that after the "front" flags fall, Allied armour stops spawning (representing the siege), then a few minutes after Mont falls, will start respawning in Bastogne to represent the relief column.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #11 on: 21-07-2011, 16:07:20 »
To make the map more about bastogne that makes sense but the last thing needed is to give the axis more of an advantage, axis win on this map 99% of the time anyway.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #12 on: 21-07-2011, 16:07:32 »
You are basing those stats on what?

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #13 on: 21-07-2011, 22:07:01 »
You are basing those stats on what?

Basing my opinion on what I have seen, I have played it more than a few times an not seen an allied win yet, same as eppeldorf. Mabye its just a crazy coincidence and allies win half the time but im yet to see it.

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Re: Bastogne 64
« Reply #14 on: 22-07-2011, 00:07:13 »
Why then have I seen mostly Allied wins on Bastogne (except when IRISHFORCE won the map for Germany)? Quite coincidentally, I have seen mostly Allied wins of Eppeldorf as well.