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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #45 on: 31-05-2010, 00:05:17 »
The thing is, American liberals call for more restriction and regulation of business, not less. Conservatives call for less regulation of business in the US.
I know, but since I'm not from the states, I will use my "european" (proper, ;) ) defintion of "liberal" and so on:  Liberal>Liberalism>Liberty

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Liberal = in favor of big government spending, welfare programs, higher taxes, especially on the richest, strict regulation of business, etc.
Conservative = in favor of cutting government spending and welfare, de-regulating business, low taxes, etc.

In short, liberal = Keynesian. Conservative = Austrian school.

In terms of individual freedoms it gets confusing because almost everyone in the US is strongly in favor of individual freedoms. They just quibble on a few points. Conservatives tend to oppose things like legal abortion and gay marriage, while liberals tend to support restrictions on the private ownership of guns (although many have given up this debate as it was costing them votes, plus the US Supreme court ruled that private citizens have a right to own firearms).
I prefer the "political compass" to somewhat fairly plot politcal ideologies: Authorian to Liberal on one axis, and progressivsm (or "left") and  conservatism (right) on the other axis.

Conservatism implies you favour to keep things as they always been (or used to be). The opposit of progressivism (changing things). So indeed you would expect religions, which often are conservative themselves, to favour a conservative approach, sticking to old values, principles and rules.

I think he meant libertarians, maybe?
As I said... liberals.  And I'm all for liberal policies on social issues (so that would be pro-abortion, pro-gaymarriage, pro-euthenasia etc.). On an economic scale it's more tricky. I don't want to chain corporations down too much or it might harm business, on the other hand, they do need to be kept in check with some rules and regulations to make sure they don't go on a power abuse and screw over the general public. If you give people total freehand, be it in business or politics, there are bound to be some nasty bastards that will screw you over for every penny that you are worth.  So it's about a balance of protecting the weak/poor and giving people liberties to run things how they see fit. I tent to side on site of caution though, as I just know some bastard would screw consumers/us over if he gets a chanche to do so.

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #46 on: 31-05-2010, 00:05:54 »
I prefer the "political compass" to somewhat fairly plot politcal ideologies: Authorian to Liberal on one axis, and progressivsm (or "left") and  conservatism (right) on the other axis.

Which probably works better in countries with many political parties. However, in America where we only have two major parties, a simple left-right spectrum is more common.

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #47 on: 31-05-2010, 15:05:00 »
Good post Mega and a good laugh too.

About the whole flat tax discussion. I actually don't mind the progressive tax scales, but I do have a problem with the spending side of the Government.
They are spending so much money on the checks and the control of the policy they are suppose to be executing.
Could be the society we live in these days, with a strong voice fro accountability and prevention of errors, that the goverment is doing a nice "Cover my ass"-policy.   


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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #48 on: 31-05-2010, 19:05:17 »
Those beautiful, beautiful Tim James ads I mentioned. Whatever you think of his politics, whoever told him to act like this in commercials needs to retake whatever film school foundation course they did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmKNNHctti0&feature=related - Mr James wanders around his house talking about Frivolous Lawsuits, then seems to forget what he's talking about in the last few seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohsvJHkbY&feature=related - Mr James' notorious anti-foreign language ad, but to me what's most interesting is how we seem to be interrupting him during an important tour of his home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgKmgnU70c&feature=related - Mr James, no longer wearing a tie, seems in something of a hurry as he rushes around his house

...seriously. Why won't he stand still, America?
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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #49 on: 31-05-2010, 20:05:50 »
My god those ads are horrible. What kind of dumbass designs those?

And perhaps he just likes moving around...do you?
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Re: Why I love politics
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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #51 on: 31-05-2010, 21:05:26 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

'We're Republicans, we're better than that.' *casually produces firearm*

God I wish we had ads like those for the Tories (Conservatives) over here.

http://www.youtube.com/user/timjames4AL#p/u/7/-t3UE_UZxPA

Here is another classic Tim James ad, this time he's sitting still but his eyes are a bit off centre, and at the end he appears to once again forget what he's talking about.
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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #52 on: 31-05-2010, 22:05:34 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

AWESOME! Thats just so wrong that it is absolutely awesome. Are Amurikans really that patriotic?

And he served in 'Nam!
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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #53 on: 31-05-2010, 22:05:57 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohsvJHkbY&feature=related - Mr James' notorious anti-foreign language ad, but to me what's most interesting is how we seem to be interrupting him during an important tour of his home

I'm confused by this. English is already the official language of the state of Alabama.

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #54 on: 31-05-2010, 23:05:34 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohsvJHkbY&feature=related - Mr James' notorious anti-foreign language ad, but to me what's most interesting is how we seem to be interrupting him during an important tour of his home

I'm confused by this. English is already the official language of the state of Alabama.

Apparently the good Mr James wants to stop the drivers' licence test being given in languages other than English, as English is indeed the official language.
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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #55 on: 31-05-2010, 23:05:53 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

AWESOME! Thats just so wrong that it is absolutely awesome. Are Amurikans really that patriotic?

And he served in 'Nam!
Why... why does he have a gun with him?

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #56 on: 31-05-2010, 23:05:37 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

AWESOME! Thats just so wrong that it is absolutely awesome. Are Amurikans really that patriotic?

And he served in 'Nam!
Why... why does he have a gun with him?

Because America, that's why.

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #57 on: 31-05-2010, 23:05:05 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

AWESOME! Thats just so wrong that it is absolutely awesome. Are Amurikans really that patriotic?

And he served in 'Nam!
Why... why does he have a gun with him?


Me and my friends couldn't figure that out.  He just pulls the lever action out of no where.  Either way, I sorta hope he wins, he's just....awesome....xDxDxD

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #58 on: 31-05-2010, 23:05:51 »
Man, if you want to see a bad political ad, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnkDTlJLdg

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Re: Why I love politics
« Reply #59 on: 31-05-2010, 23:05:59 »