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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Sgt.Radman on 11-07-2010, 16:07:52
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Was nibbling through the Garand history and I though 2 myself : "Why don't Garands have scopes? They must have thought about it back then" - so I searched about it and found those 2 babies. Plus Paavopusieni mentioned them in a post.
I just have 1 question : Possible (rare pickup kit, maybe instead of a M1903 Springfield in some places)
Not Possible ??
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There were scoped garands littered to couple of places back in FH. Maybe they'll make their appearance in FH2 too in later on.
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Yey finally a post that means something (I hope ;D :) )
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The M1C garand was introduced late in 1944 but didn't really appear until 1945 (and then only in limited numbers)
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The M1C garand was introduced late in 1944 but didn't really appear until 1945 (and then only in limited numbers)
Well I WAS shooting for the M1D. it's got a nicer scope and is basically an M1 with a scope on top, no difference with the origigi rifle.
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Yeah but that one wasn't used at all I think.
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In a 1945 map, maybe as a rare pickup kit. It was more widely issued in Korean war.
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OMG Garand snipers!!!
Can I has that Pleez?? ;D
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M1 Garand (M1-E8) very good rifle! ;)
Who will win:M1 Garand (M1-E8) or G-43 scope?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOKxBxLg1H0
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Oh what a joy it was on Alpenfestung, to just annoy the shit out of the enemys at the first flag from the mountains with the scoped Garand .. Oh what joy it was ..
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Oh what a joy it was on Alpenfestung, to just annoy the shit out of the enemys at the first flag from the mountains with the scoped Garand .. Oh what joy it was ..
Thats why Hslan should allow baseraping as infantry ;D. Thats why I still play vanilla sometimes. Its so awesome to take M95 and go to US carrier and start sniping people from choppers and planes. You get kicked from almost every server though :'(.
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oooooooooooh alpenfestung.....
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;D ;D ;D
Scoped Garand+ Falaise(FH)/Alpenfestung = WIN!!
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I just realized that the germans have 5 (5!!!) scoped versions of guns. K98 ZF, ZF41, Stg44 ZF, G43 ZF and FG42 ZF.
But Americans have only the Springfield Sniper, and British have only Pattern 14 and Lee Enfield No4 sniper.
I want the Garand scoped and I want it now!
Please. ;D
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I just realized that the germans have 5 (5!!!) scoped versions of guns. K98 ZF, ZF41, Stg44 ZF, G43 ZF and FG42 ZF.
But Americans have only the Springfield Sniper, and British have only Pattern 14 and Lee Enfield No4 sniper.
I want the Garand scoped and I want it now!
Please. ;D
one of those is infact even historical inaccurate
but ye, the germans get far more fancy stuff
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Just remember it's Germans vs Allies. not German vs Americans and Germans vs British. If all allied factions would get as much stuff as Germans then it would be total allied bias.
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I just asked for Garand scped so it's perfectly balanced. 2/2/5 = that is 4/5.
But if we went Allied =/= Axis I think that germans still have moar stuff.
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I just asked for Garand scped so it's perfectly balanced. 2/2/5 = that is 4/5.
But if we went Allied =/= Axis I think that germans still have moar stuff.
word +1
Even combined, the axis still have more stuff.
if the germans get fancy super rare stuff, the allies should also get it. dont come with numbers
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I think the stg44 sniper should go.
Maybe, for ficticious maps, but no where else.
Sure hope FHSW team comes to fh2, then we can focus on the real. I feel we're losing the ww2 feel on account all these toys.
I recall the degree of realism we used to have, and now we seem more focused on 'ooh, it would be fu-un!'
And its hard to fight it without a dedicated FHSW2 mod
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if the germans get fancy super rare stuff, the allies should also get it. dont come with numbers
That's not how FH works. We only add stuff our devs like making. If no one likes making a scoped Garand, it's not added. If someone likes adding a scoped Sturmgewehr of which only one was made, it is added.
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I didn't reply to to the Scoped M1 Garand but to that when people say that Germans have more stuff than Americans.
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So, i guess it's time for me to go into modder's rivers.
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I didn't reply to to the Scoped M1 Garand but to that when people say that Germans have more stuff than Americans.
and they do
no moar for axis!
exept italy
and finland
new things for those are always welcome
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moar german stuff just to annoy him pl0x
;D
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And they should have more than Americans! In Normandy it's Germans vs Allies, not Germans vs Americans and Germans vs British. So Germans in Normandy should have the same amount of stuff as Allies have.
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And they should have more than Americans! In Normandy it's Germans vs Allies, not Germans vs Americans and Germans vs British. So Germans in Normandy should have the same amount of stuff as Allies have.
the problem is, paavo, is that overall the germans have more stuff THEN the allies combined
We see puma's, yet no british armoured cars
We see 5 scoped german weapons, yet only 3 for the allies
We see 6 artillery weapons for the germans yet only 4 for the allies (mortars included)
i can go on with this
My issue is, is that we still do not see the Vital most common allied vehicles and weapons, yet we do see the german stuff, and even the much rarer german stuff. I dont care that you add another 50 german Super rare german stuff! But then for god sake add the allied stuff aswel!
I mean, we have the rare wespe ingame, BUT still not the massive common Priest and sexton. Those things saw there best use in normandy!
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Dude, stop whining about 'gurman biass wtfffff!11!' you seriously think that the devs are all like 'hehe, let's make everything for the German team and NOTHING for the Allied team! Hahahahah!'
When they NEED it, it will be made. When they FEEL like it, they will make it. More stuff is being made everyday, not because every side needs to be mirror-balanced in vehicles but because they need it, made it or think it's damn fun.
So, in all seriousness, stop being so annoying.
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Fuchs. This is exactly what i mean. This is NOT whining. This is stating out a fact.
And everytime someone ELSE does this, he to gets the reply=STOP WHINING
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True. Back to basics - M1 Garand scope is fun, everyone stated it, and also remembered it from FH. so I don't see why not? If the FG42 ZF came in over night I don't see why not a Garand ZF.
Not talking about balance or neednes or WTF AXIS BIAS!!
I'm just stating facts that would be nice to complement a rarish weapon for allies.
(At least I'm not "whining" about Axis bias in BC2 since only Tommy Garand and Colt came in but no G43) :P 8)
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Fuchs. This is exactly what i mean. This is NOT whining. This is stating out a fact.
And everytime someone ELSE does this, he to gets the reply=STOP WHINING
Sure dude, devs are delibirately not making Allied stuff so German stuff maintains superiority.
Dream on.
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Fuchs. This is exactly what i mean. This is NOT whining. This is stating out a fact.
And everytime someone ELSE does this, he to gets the reply=STOP WHINING
Sure dude, devs are delibirately not making Allied stuff so German stuff maintains superiority.
Dream on.
i never said they did ;)
My point is not=To much german stuff
My point is=The germans get fancy stuff, therefor the allies should get it aswel
Shall we bury the subject?
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There is a line between stating a fact and whining. You sir, are whining.
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There is a line between stating a fact and whining. You sir, are whining.
far from it. I stated a fact by showing numbers on what the germans have and the allies.
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I agree with theta.If the Jerry gets a STG44 scoped so does the Yanks need a funny Easter egg kit with scope.
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far from it. I stated a fact by showing numbers on what the germans have and the allies.
I'll take that as a fact when you go through objects_vehicles_server.zip and objects_weapons_server.zip and come back with evidence on how many things each army has (including and not including duplicate/near identical vehicles).
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Why the Germans have more stuff ingame? Because they suffocated themselves with hoards of different projects of weapons and tanks.
The western allies produced shitloads of M4 tanks, M10/36 tank destroyers, Cromwells and Churchills and that was it. The Germans used a large variety of different own and captured tanks and tank hunters and their versions, and even more converted stuff.
That is of course mainly for the Normandy campaign. See the Western Desert Campaign for example, there the Commonwealth forces have more stuff than the Germans.
The devs's can't just make up stuff for the allies to "even out" the number of weapons and vehicles. So no, you won't see a scoped M1 Garand in Europe just because the Germans have more different marksman weapons.
As for the StG-44 ZF Easter egg, they all should be burned. Or rather used as an Easter egg. But I actually see a fix for this in the future.
Edit: And the certain someone who keeps whining about the Puma... The main recon vehicle of the panzer divisions in Normandy... 60 served in the very small area. Yet you have no problems with the rather rare Deacon on Mareth Line, or the AA Crusader on Totalize, which was barely even used in real life.
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Once again, its not the point about the germans having to much stuff. Its more about, if the germans get a fancy easter egg like lets say, the STG44 ZF, then something like a scoped garand shouldnt be out of place
Same goes with for example, the Spingfield M1903A1 being added now. A second line rifle. So the germans should get IMO also there piece, like lets say Vz 22 rifles, and many other foreign rifles. it is also Historical accurate.
If it was for me, i would have made it all myself. Sitting home here without a job(well, im not allowed to work for atleast another month, it drives me INSANE) i gave it a shot at trying it for myself
I just...couldnt do it. Moddeling, coding it just issent in my nature. I even got a headache of the basics of the basics of the basics.
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Once again, its not the point about the germans having to much stuff. Its more about, if the germans get a fancy easter egg like lets say, the STG44 ZF, then something like a scoped garand shouldnt be out of place
StG-44 ZF shouldn't be there at all. I guess I can say that it will be greatly reduced, or let's say removed, in future releases.
That would be the correct solution, not adding even more stuff that makes no sense.
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Fair enough i guess. Its a nice thing, but it just doesnt fit.
Lets hope for an alpenfestung map then where it can make an appearnce
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That would be the correct solution, not adding even more stuff that makes no sense.
MAUS!
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OMG. Just stop. Whine or no whine.... Question : should the Americans get a scoped Garand for the fullfilling of a long range rifle spot that is missing? Yes. Balance or not? I think balance. OP or not? Not even close since snipers and scoped weapons are pickups kits that are rare.
Had enough? I think so. What have we learned? Nobody is yelling out BIAS!!
We just want 1 !! nice/ neat thing for the other nation(s)
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Why? Springfield is one of the finest snipers ingame with (for gaming) the best crosshair. They already got a splendid long range rifle.
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I think Alpen, and only Alpenstung.
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Dude, stop whining about 'gurman biass wtfffff!11!' you seriously think that the devs are all like 'hehe, let's make everything for the German team and NOTHING for the Allied team! Hahahahah!'
When they NEED it, it will be made. When they FEEL like it, they will make it. More stuff is being made everyday, not because every side needs to be mirror-balanced in vehicles but because they need it, made it or think it's damn fun.
So, in all seriousness, stop being so annoying.
Wow, this is rather contradicting; but unfortunately no... it's not necessarily that they "NEED" it because there are rather rare German armour pieces that were not "NEEDED". There are tons of stuff that could potentially still be added except apparently they didn't "FEEL" like it. No one is whinning and no one is asking to 'even' out the weapons/vehicles just saying it wouldn't hurt to put a little more emphasis on a little more amount of allied equiptment. Right now you're the one that just sounds like a German fanboy, so i'd quit the mocking and stict to the facts.
As for the sniper rifle, if it was not used in current maps...fine...don't add it yet, but i'm sure it will be needed in an upcomming release so it really doesn't harm to create it. Like Thorondor says, the scoped StG-44 should be removed for now and placed in a more accurate map later.
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Please name things, can't really imagine what you mean.
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I know I will get jumped on by a billion other Americans for saying this, but I wish the US had little to no sniper kits. Everything I have read has led me to believe that in general we did not deploy many, and never with the same degree of training/equipment as the Soviets, Germans, or even British. It would feel much more realistic for WW2 if the US had almost none.
That and having multiple snipers in maps with 64 men always rubbed me the wrong way. Unless it was the Eastern Front where the Soviets had so many.
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From small arms production numbers I recently researched for something... I found:
30,000 M1903A4 Snipers
126,000 K98 Snipers
58,000 G43 snipers
Do consider however, that Germany was in the war 2 years longer, had a much larger army. I don' t think US sniper numbers are particularly low.
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American snipers were deployed on a company level as marksman, thus why its hard to find us 'snipers' as we didn't deploy them in a sharpshooting role like the germans or soviets. They were company marksmen and nothing else.
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Then rather than have US sniper kits replace German ones, lets have them all at mainbase. If a German scoped rifle is taken, followed by a US flagcap, no US sniper rifle should replace it.
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Come to think of it, whatever happened to the ZF-41 in-game? I kinda liked that one. :)
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American snipers were deployed on a company level as marksman, thus why its hard to find us 'snipers' as we didn't deploy them in a sharpshooting role like the germans or soviets. They were company marksmen and nothing else.
Spawnable kit ^^ ?
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Err.. no. They might still be alot less than the Germans. It just means they operated together with the company rather than as independent forces (In FH2, we have fireteams more of - not companies).
That's why I suggested they be at the main bases as pickup kits rather than in sniper locations and birds nests.
So that would affect their use to moving along with the team more than lying in wait
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Then rather than have US sniper kits replace German ones, lets have them all at mainbase. If a German scoped rifle is taken, followed by a US flagcap, no US sniper rifle should replace it.
Yes, that would be correct.
Come to think of it, whatever happened to the ZF-41 in-game? I kinda liked that one. :)
That's because it was exceedingly rare. German snipers didn't much like it because it had so little zoom.
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as from wiki
Though useful for sharpshooting with normal infantry units, the design was generally rejected by sniper schools and disliked by snipers, because the 1.5x magnifying scope was deemed insufficient for shooting effectively over long distances. Problems were the scope's extreme eye relief, poor functioning in bad light and low magnifying power
Nonetheless, lack of better scopes made that the Zf-41 was used by snipers at the early stages of the war against the Soviet Union, though many snipers preferred captured Soviet rifles and customly-equipped German rifles with civilian scopes such as the vintage Gewehr 98.
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Then rather than have US sniper kits replace German ones, lets have them all at mainbase. If a German scoped rifle is taken, followed by a US flagcap, no US sniper rifle should replace it.
Yes, that would be correct.
Come to think of it, whatever happened to the ZF-41 in-game? I kinda liked that one. :)
That's because it was exceedingly rare. German snipers didn't much like it because it had so little zoom.
ZF-41 wasn't exceedingly rare, most common german optical sight produced. But was used for sharpshooters, not snipers.
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100 000 where produced, but only 6% of all german weapons could fit them. Even when it was supplied, it was also disliked aswel
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100 000 where produced, but only 6% of all german weapons could fit them. Even when it was supplied, it was also disliked aswel
Exactly my point on 'exceedingly rare.' Sniper on the Eastern Front has a great note on that, when Allerberger officially attends a sniper school, they are even taught by their instructors not to use the ZF41 scope.
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Simply because you had like a dozen of disadvantages and not really An advantage ;D
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Oh, I had read the wiki on that scope so I knew the real life reputation of the thing, but was just curious why it was taken out off the game, after they'd put it in in the first place. I actually found it to be quite useful, although the K98ZF that replaced it in Viller Bocage is indeed better suited for that map.
But who knows, since it's arleady modelled we might see it again in future early war Ostfront maps. :)
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IIRC its still ingame.... Its just a very rare pickup kit, but it always was. =/
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Cool! Which map? I've only seen it in Villers Bocage.
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The ZF41? Op Goodwood.
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Exactly my point on 'exceedingly rare.' Sniper on the Eastern Front has a great note on that, when Allerberger officially attends a sniper school, they are even taught by their instructors not to use the ZF41 scope.
Well of course, as its a sharpshooter scope not a sniper scope.
Amirite?
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Exactly my point on 'exceedingly rare.' Sniper on the Eastern Front has a great note on that, when Allerberger officially attends a sniper school, they are even taught by their instructors not to use the ZF41 scope.
Well of course, as its a sharpshooter scope not a sniper scope.
Amirite?
Yes, only the german army didn't have marksmen, only snipers. So it was basically useless to them. ;)
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Please name things, can't really imagine what you mean.
Stuka zu fuss!
IMO, we badly need Priest and Sexton or else, it is German bias lulz. Oh, why no moar German tank destroyers?
I could go on. But number wise, i think comparing the variety is not always right. The western Allies may only have 3 types of scoped rifle, while the in-game Germans have 5 (with 1 of them being fictional). That's fine. IIRC, the Germans also have a lot of fancy vehicles and tanks in their garage, that's why it is called Zoo Motorpool. It is not necessarily German bias just because of the lack in variety.
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And in what way did the Western allies deploy APC's with rocket artillery?
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The westren allies dint had any rocket APC's.
The sherman calliope could appear, but not on current maps IIRC.
What the allies need are there howitzer armed vehicles. M8 scotts, 105mm shermans, M7 priests, M12's, Sexton's, CS Churchills.
the germans used far more rocket artillery, the allies used far more gun artillery. The reason why the germans had more rocket artillery was because of the eastren front
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And when the time and maps are ready, those things will appear. Just not yet.
Well not all ofcourse.. M8 is just a smaller 105 Sherman in gameplay terms.
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basicly a faster sherman firing HE shells, why shouldnt it be in? It saw massive use in Normandy. And confirmed use on op cobra, Operation luttich and such
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Because it can't do anything the 105 Sherman can do? Cobra, Lüttich and 'such' don't need it?
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On luttich it is pretty needed. Unless you add a 105mm sherman on that map
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Really? Why? From what I have seen there is no real unbalance in this map. And in the city flags a normal tank with HE is enough to punish the poor infantry.
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Isnt this talk about M1 Garand's with scopes and not all that other nonsense you two spew?
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Aye, sorry cap'n. I shall stop this not to win fight against the axis bias boys.
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Really? Why? From what I have seen there is no real unbalance in this map. And in the city flags a normal tank with HE is enough to punish the poor infantry.
Sorry Flippy, but one more question to our friend Fuch: Okay, so what is the game benefit and usefulness of having 300 variations of German tanks if one could fill the roll for most? Because they were there? So wern't the M8, why you so opposed to that?
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I think the M8 would be neat especially if it could share the texture with the stuart (like the Wirbelwind does with the P4).
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M8 scotts had the same paint as the M5 light tanks.
The diffrence only lied in the turret and the removed Hull machine gun.