The top armor problem and question about the power of a 2 pounder

[kingtiger1891]

Hey guys,

      I found something really unrealistic in FH2 since v2.2 released.I discoverd that tanks top armor is too vulnerable to nearly zero angle shoot.For example,the kingtiger's top armor is a bit slope to the front ,so it's very easy to shoot at it face to face,but in an angle which make the shell fly off in real battle,unfortunately, seems these kind of shoot will be considered as 90 digree shoot at the top in game,so you can kill a kingtiger in the front even by just one shoot of pak40.

      But there're something even worse.Since the 2 pounder and US 37mm is more powerful in 2.2 which already make some africa map unbalanced,you can even one shoot a panzer iii or iv with these gun,just hit their top armor near the commander copula face to face and they're gone.....that's mad ,african armor won't survive(It's not hard to do,since the top armor of a turret is not strictly horizontal)

      The top armor is usually no more than 40 mm,but just consider shells of the enemy tank can hardly hit them at more than 45 digree,so I think these kind of instant kill should not happen in next version...



Well,in the following video,there're a lot of this kind of shot(like the first shot),you will find out it's not hard to one shot a panzer from the front,which made it imbalance and not realistic

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTM1NzAzMjA0.html


Following video is about how to one shoot a KT with PAK40 or 2 shoot with cromwell/sherman,and it's shot from the front!So can I say if you stack up 3 cromwell or sherman,you can kill a KT easily,just sacrifice one of them and the other two take the shoot as I do,KT down....The last one is about the panzer ivh schurzen bug,hope you guys can fix it

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTM3MTU5MDQ0.html

[THeTA0123]

Believe it or not, things arent easy now.

In the past, 2PDR's could attack the front armor from long range and eventually killing the tank

Now only the sides and rear are vurnable.
 Regarding the KT, never heard about that 

By far, i think the only map that is imbalanced in NA now is Gazala. Germans have a good chance of winning, but they mess it up like the allies always mess up things on operation totalize.

But 2 shots for the 2PDR and 3 shots for the M6 37MM is balanced and fair imo. In 2.15, you needed an average 5-6 shots on Panzer IV F1 and Panzer 3 ausf J. Now THAT was really imbalanced.

[Die Happy]

the top armor problem is real, since the engineg dosent handle angle in which the projectile hits that well.


as fot the 2pdr, it was a powerfull gun considering its caliber but looses power over distance.

for example (ingame)  the 2pdr can 1 shot any german tank in the side/rear in distances below 100 meter
in distance from 100-200m you need 2 shots
from 300-400m you need 3 shoots etc (meter values might vary a bit)

and hitting a panzer 3/4 in front does NO damage at all or almost none.

it aint perfect as it is now, and the engine makes things hard to balance , specially such a complex damage system the devs created in fh2.

expect some changes on this next version.

[THeTA0123]

Well hopefully not a nerf on it. Panzers wherent all that migthy as people think. They won many battles in the early stage of the war simply because of better tactics and logistics

[Paavopesusieni]

Remember that BF2 engine doesn't count angels of the shot, so you need to balance it somehow. Sherman for example might have penetrated panther from the side from 90 degree angle, but i bet its a different story from 30 degree angle.

And panzers were as mighty strong as people think, at least the crews, compared to allies. Numbers simply speak for it.

[Schneider]

Paavopessieni is german-biased, so is history, Skandal!  

But yeah, the angled-shot-problem is real, well-known and well-...discussed.

Didn't notice something wrong with the 2 pounder yet.

[Eat Uranium]

Intrestingly, you might want to know that the rear hull of the pz3 is inpenatrable to the 2pdr even at point blank range (since it is the same thickness as the frontal armour).  So go for the rear turret or engine deck instead if your behind the pz3.

[kingtiger1891]

I mean when a single german tank,panzer 3 or 4,encounter a matilda or valentine,they won't survive one shoot on the commander copula by british 2prd,and meanwhile they can't do anything to these heavy british tanks' front.I don't think 2prd is over powered ,if only the top armor problem is solved..

[Die Happy]

what do you mean by watchtower ?
the commander copula ?
if yes, congratulation you found a tank weak spot. they are meant to be like that.  if anything else plz make a screenshot and post it here otherwise it is a bid hard to guess what you mean.

and yes matilda / valentine are very heavy armored tanks for their time only real big guns like the 88 were able to kill them on long ranges.

[kingtiger1891]

Well,after test I should say it's not the commander copula but some slope top armor near it , you can do some nearly zero angle shoot...

Matilda and Valentine are powerful heavy tank at the time, but I think one shoot a panzer 3/4 from the front with 2prd,nearly zero angle is not realistic

[THeTA0123]

Nono the 2PDR was effective as right now it is in FH2.2

from long ranges, it was useless, but from short ranges, it was still mighty effective, even on the frontal armor. And Panzer III"s had the same problem with early shermans. Their ammo and fuel was very vurnable.

I once saw a photo of a British matilda tank crew celebrating with Tea the hunt of the day= 16 Tanks

The 88 was used in desperate attempts to take them out (Rommel was very good in handeling these guns)

When the Churchill tank arrived in NA(Even though it aint on El alamein or Supercharge <.<), it was once again back to the early days. Even the upgunned Panzer IV's had to get in close range with special ammo to take out churchills.

[M46M47M48M60A3]

Not need to change,  Alas the real battle is an example，Because the Germans were equipped with the main tank carries it to do nothing，At that time if there is a 88MM anti-aircraft guns, then the Germans will completely collapse

[kingtiger1891]

If british have Churchill in NA,I have no choice but to hit it's "top armor",zero angle, and do an instant kill

[THeTA0123]

If british have Churchill in NA,I have no choice but to hit it's "top armor",zero angle, and do an instant kill

Their you go! Now we are back being positive!

Devs, you can close this thread now!

[SEXYBALL]

If the 2pdr can really one shoot a panzer iii/iv and 6pdr mk.II can one shoot a KT,even from the front,that should be changed