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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6285 on: 01-09-2015, 23:09:32 »

We can claim that Iraq was better off under Saddam, but if there had been no Saddam there would have been no Islamic State.

Thats like saying if there weren't any dicks there wouldn't be any rapes. Yes at its core its right but you cant really jump into that conclusion using logic.
Yes, you can.  It's hardly jumping to a conclusion - read here: http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21660506-blame-dictatorship-not-democracy-unravelling-order-arab-world-burning
Essentially, the "deep state" dictatorial tendancies of Middle East regimes drove people to fundamental Islam as the only available form of protest.  As states they were complete failures, which is clearly evident in the current counterrevolution ongoing.  Those "orderly" governments like Syria are currently dropping chemical weapons on their own citizens.
As a fellow "orderly evil" camps, Putin and Al-Assad naturally work together.

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yes, it is obviously hinted, they use underground currency, which constitutes a crime, on religious grounds. They openly support replacing the constitution with Shari'a rulings. This fanatics broke one and two good laws for the sake of religious rulings. Yet, they become quite an arsehole about most other things, basic things like courtesy at traffic, queueing, helping others in public (holding doors or lifts for others), greeting back the door keeper, cheating the customers out of their change money (it is similar to stealing). As if Allah overlooks their unruly behaviour in place of their favourite Juz or verses of Qur'an. As an outsider, challenging them is like fuelling their propaganda about their religion being secretly opressed by the unseen force aligned with the west. All I need is just to remind them that their Toyota minivan, its comfortable AC, the plushy seat, their phone, oh goodness, their facebook and instagram accounts would only make them harder to reach their own criteria of paradise or heaven.

Now, Saddam Hussein was a bad person. He didn't get away with it. If only USA knows the difference between religious fanatics and Arab nationalists. They chose the fanatics instead, and disbanded the Ba'ath party. The headless crowd found new cause in violent fanatical beliefs. I'd say if they were given their nationalism toy, we would still see Iraqi Christians taking minister posts while vaguely throwing insults at America. Is it better? They gassed the Kurds, kidnap and tortured dissents? Is it any better than the loud beheading-lover uncivilised thugs like the Da'esh? Well, at least it won't shower the EU with millions of refugees.

Some Asians (people from Asia, the continent) are born with political mind, many are not. They choose stability, prosperity, and security instead. Many times at the expense of others. It is not surprising the so-beloved western media darling "democracy fighters" like Aung San Suu Kyi stay quiet about Rohingya massacre and Buddhist terrorism movement that started to emerge from Srilanka to Myanmar. I don't think the Tibetans, Uyghurs, Acehnese, Moro, nor the Southern Thais will speak the same about Tibetan caste system and slavery, or Uyghurs doing what the Pashtun Afghans do. Well, how is the IRA or ETA up there? Surely we are all very big about some folks wanting freedom, but we won't tolerate violence, especially terrorism, right?


That's a false dualism between "good chaos" and "bad order".  The Arab spring - essentially the Middle East's 1848 - failed most places, but not Tunisia, which toppled a dictatorship and is now stable and democratic.  Shouldn't we promote that sort of action?
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6286 on: 02-09-2015, 08:09:13 »
Yes, but they are being hugely shadowed by Islamist movement. You cannot talk about "democracy" with these people. They are more than willing to have some of their "western-defined rights" to be taken out if it is for "the greater good" like religious ruling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennahda_Movement

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The party currently rejects radical Islamism as a form of governance appropriate for Tunisia; in a debate with a secular opponent Al-Ghannushi stated, "Why are we put in the same place as a model that is far from our thought, like the Taliban or the Saudi model, while there are other successful Islamic models that are close to us, like the Turkish, the Malaysian, and the Indonesian models; models that combine Islam and modernity?"

"Similar to Indonesia", which is about to tip between Pakistan's Zia-Ul-Haq (nearly) or continue in this limbo. Pakistan used to be a very democratic and secular nation. Akin to Indonesia. But then Zia-Ul-Haq changed all that and turn it into Saudi Arabia's bidding. Killing non-Muslims suddenly become a thing. And then, they include sheltering the Talibs and Al-Qaeda leadership.

The Europeans lamented about Erdogan's move to abandon Turkish Mustapha Kemal Attatürk's secular ideal. Malaysia? The place where you lost your racial identity if you are no longer practicing Islam. No other religion can conduct sermon in local language. Those examples are clearly the case of time bomb cooking off.

When you throw in religious teachings into democracy, you started comparing "ancient western concept" born out of human minds with God's own words. You don't need to think too hard to decide between God and mere mortals. God should have won at all times, if it is not for your loudmouthed "westernized" brethren. The problem is, whose representation of God? Whose interpretation of God's words? Suddenly, these bunch of self-proclaiming pious God devotees become more assertive about their own thoughts of God's will. Whether these people exhibits the likes of a false prophet or not, the whole nation will decide, then you'll see if they are mostly consisted of contradicting idiots or level-headed normal human beings.

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"Ahmed Ibrahim of the Tunisian Pole Democratique Moderniste political bloc complained to a foreign journalist that Ennahda appears "soft" on television, "but in the mosques, it is completely different. Some of them are calling for jihad".

Exactly... strikingly similar to the mosque near my working place (which is in the Central Business District like London's financial centre, NYC's Wall Street, or Paris' La Defense).

At least Indonesia is still helped by the fact that we are a very very very diverse nation.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6287 on: 03-09-2015, 01:09:26 »
Excellent post. This attempt to tie in religion to democratic system is extremely toxic and I cannot see any way out of this other than a new belief system that appeals to the masses. Here we are on a democratic limbo and the reason to it is the unintellectual folk refusing to vote for anything other than those who loudly proclaim that they are the most devout muslims. And this recklessness drives the whole nation down.
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« Reply #6288 on: 03-09-2015, 04:09:54 »
I used to believe that if we are "intelligent" enough, we wouldn't fall into tyranny. At least that's what Thomas Jefferson says when he established Pennsylvania University. He wants Americans to be well-educated so they can make better decisions.

That is not the case. These religious nuts already think that they are the "intellects". Ironic, because according to the teachings (either Qur'an/Hadith/Sunnah) you shouldn't bestow praise upon yourself, because it inflates your ego and makes you distant from God. If you tell them this, they will retort to their standard replying template: "you have been influenced by the evil Jews/Freemasons/Illuminati/Dajjal/whatever." Thankfully the number of healthy Muslims with healthy minds among my friends are equally plenty. They will mock these tired old nonsense whenever they see it coming.

We have small Christian "enclave" in the western suburb area of the capital city. That is equally bad. In the past, you have to go to school and study hard to become a priest. Nowadays, all you need is money and good public speaking skill. With the growing pressure from the majority, all these Christian businessmen and part-time preacher nonsense seemed too real for many hive-minded human drones, who are oblivious to the blatant tax-avoidance, unethical business practice, and discriminatory behaviour (even amongst Christians - e.g. not from our denomination/ministry? No decent job/position/promotion for you)

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6289 on: 03-09-2015, 18:09:26 »
https://youtu.be/JHW5aYPRC2k

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6290 on: 06-09-2015, 02:09:46 »

I usually imagine my own sounds with it, like `tjunk, tupdieyupdiedee` aaa enemy spotted, ratatatataboom

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« Reply #6291 on: 06-09-2015, 10:09:55 »
They will forever cheer your football team wherever they go at least. Sweden and Austria too. Let the world see how well-educated people in developed nation treat other people. Too many times we were told by our textbook-reading only teachers about how the west owns up "individualism" while we promote "togetherness/collectivism" and therefore implying superior morality. It is the nonsense reinforced by Hofstede in his pseudo-scientific Sociological study. I witness myself during my times in Australia, that people there treat others with more respect than here, in a developing nation.

The excessively wealthy UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and other rich gulf nations don't take any refugees. It is their piss poor and overwhelmed Mediterranean cousins (Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey) who took the brunt of the inflows. Back when the big tsunami wave hit Aceh, the first help arrived from Singapore, then Australia, then our own military. The US sent a floating hospital and USS Abraham Lincoln. Even crisis-laden Portugal, Cristiano Ronaldo set up a football school there. Only a handful of those gulf nations did help us, monetarily.

Refugees see the reality and ignore those Hofstede nonsense, they headed straight to Europe, not because they are economically better (Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Brunei Darussalam are also very rich), but they treat people better as well.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6292 on: 09-09-2015, 01:09:58 »
Hungarian journalist attacking refugees at the border between Hungaria and Serbia:

https://twitter.com/RichterSteph/status/641222535586168832

https://vine.co/v/etg9FxDViAB


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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6293 on: 16-09-2015, 22:09:00 »
Halp.

My computer is stuck at

EFI shell version 2.31

Map: cannot find required map name

Press esc in X seconds to skip startup.nsh.


When I enter BIOS, no SATA is identified. I've reset the CMOS, checked with other SATA cables and inputs, only had the windows hardisk in etc, etc.

Motherboard is MSI Z87 G43
Win 8.1
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6294 on: 16-09-2015, 23:09:05 »
Try the SATA in an old rig if you have one, maybe it's burnt. Don't try it in a normal rig as it can f*ck it up if it actually is burnt.

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I usually imagine my own sounds with it, like `tjunk, tupdieyupdiedee` aaa enemy spotted, ratatatataboom

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6296 on: 19-09-2015, 12:09:50 »
When a girl calls to sleep over after the party, a man can clean his room in 30 minutes

Even mopped the floor... impressed by myself
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« Reply #6297 on: 19-09-2015, 13:09:18 »
When a girl calls to sleep over after the party, a man can clean his room in 30 minutes

Even mopped the floor... impressed by myself

Lol

Get the iRobot Scooba. You can play FH2 while cleaning

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6298 on: 19-09-2015, 14:09:24 »
When a girl calls to sleep over after the party, a man can clean his room in 30 minutes

Even mopped the floor... impressed by myself

But did you give her the D?

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #6299 on: 19-09-2015, 15:09:13 »
When a girl calls to sleep over after the party, a man can clean his room in 30 minutes

Even mopped the floor... impressed by myself

But did you give her the D?
She's a lesbian
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