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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #240 on: 19-05-2011, 16:05:28 »
Why ashamed off the government? PVV is not in the government.

I would never vote for the PVV, bunch of populists combining left and right winged views, but I am happy that they support this government.

yeah they are not in the goverment, i know, but without them this current goverment would not be there.
I'm a bit ashamed of the fact that many people voted on that party without looking into the facts.

I have some friends who live in Germany, France and Italy, and the first thing they asked after the elections was ''why are there so many nazi's in Hollland''?

now this may be a somewhat over reacted, but the fact it was asked to me shows how other countries see the developments happening in Holland.

to be able to vote on different parties, to have democracy is a wonderfull thing, and the pvv has is right to be there. and its great to have a discussion with someone who vieuws certain things in a different way, this way you can be open minded and learn from each other ect.

but it bothers me sometimes that this party gets away with some radical statements
and the pvv refuses to go into discusion most of the time

to me it is not very democratic and its hypocrite, to throw around with all kinds of statements and not be able to back them up or have a discusion about it

To call them Nazi's is a very big thing, they don't even come close to that. And your friends from France should look at Le Pen, your friends from Italy at their own President and the granddaughter of Il Duce and Germany. Well they are Germans.

However I do agree that the percentage of neo-Nazi's over here is.. shocking.

Regarding discussions, the problem of the PVV are their members. The only one really capable of properly discussing is Wilders himself, the hardcore around him are decent and then there's a bunch of clowns and idiots.

And why should someone not vote for them? I would never vote for them, too much like the SP in my opinion but seriously, what 'radical' ideas do they have that would harm our country? Wilders is not Janmaat  :P
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #241 on: 19-05-2011, 19:05:07 »
Wilders is not Janmaat  :P
Some stuff Janmaat was talking about in the 90s and then discarded as being radical, would nowadays be considered soft by Wilders and his friends. So no, he is not Janmaat, he says more radical stuff. And the Telegraaf helps him spreading his BS.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #242 on: 19-05-2011, 19:05:47 »
Wilders is not Janmaat  :P
Some stuff Janmaat was talking about in the 90s and then discarded as being radical, would nowadays be considered soft by Wilders and his friends. So no, he is not Janmaat, he says more radical stuff. And the Telegraaf helps him spreading his BS.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #243 on: 19-05-2011, 19:05:30 »
Wilders just says what alot of people thingk and feel. Whether you agree with it or not it doesn't change the fact that he represents a large portion of the Dutch population.

Sadly his party is needed to help the current government to a majority. It's the lesser of two evils though.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #244 on: 19-05-2011, 20:05:13 »
Wilders is not Janmaat  :P
Some stuff Janmaat was talking about in the 90s and then discarded as being radical, would nowadays be considered soft by Wilders and his friends. So no, he is not Janmaat, he says more radical stuff. And the Telegraaf helps him spreading his BS.

More radical stuff? Name examples, that's two hollow arguments in the last 2 pages. I dislike Wilders but I disgust the standard hate so many Dutch people seem to have 'he's racist', 'he's like Hitler', etc.

And I'm all with Eglaerinion, as long as Rutte I stands.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #245 on: 19-05-2011, 21:05:32 »
Today's most hilaric statement of the Pvv.

its about the financial problems in Greece. according to the Pvv:  Greece has to get out of the European union because its a bottomless well and we are paying for something we have nothing to do with.

well clear talk for ''henk and Ingrid'' (average joe) who are not very smart anyway. they would agree, its the tax payers money anyway.

So: as a responce Nout wellink, head of the Bank of the Netherlands, had the following to say. It was very unwise for Wilders to come up with this statement a: because he is suporting the goverment. b:because the Dutch tax payer and a lot of dutch and european businesses have monny there, i the meanings of pension fundings, work ect ect ect.
the statement of Wilders would cause only trouble. so thus the point of vieuw of Nout wellink.

and above all we as a European Union should help each other, why would there be a EU if we didnt help each other.

The PVV answered back: Nout wellink is not worthy of being in charge as the head of the bank. he is not serving the nation as he should and he is incapable of doing his job right, he has to retire.

Clearly the PVV and Wilders have no freaking clue how economics works. but because of Henk and Ingrid he is throwing a statement like this, so people in Holland can say:

yeah well Wilders is just saying what alot of people are thinking.

well alot of people are not thinking at all! And are just following things what he is saying. And most things they say are not backed up by facts at all!


Enough from my part about this, i stop arguing about this. I have said what i wanted to say. We dont have to agree but this is how i see it  :)



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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #246 on: 19-05-2011, 22:05:43 »
Nout Wellink and PVV. Shit and shit. What to pick  :P
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #247 on: 20-05-2011, 17:05:33 »
Nice post, Mik. I agree about the lack of thinking on Henk and Ingrid's part and I also agree about the lack of factual backup for PVV statements.

More radical stuff? Name examples, that's two hollow arguments in the last 2 pages. I dislike Wilders but I disgust the standard hate so many Dutch people seem to have 'he's racist', 'he's like Hitler', etc.

And I'm all with Eglaerinion, as long as Rutte I stands.
Pffft, just because I don't feed you examples immediately my argument is hollow? Please learn to discuss/argue first.

I will give you examples:
- Wilders proposed to shoot with live ammo at rioteers. This was because of a footballgame which got out of hand. Btw: the match was between Young Netherlands and Young Morocco. I really wonder if Wilders would have said the same if it was a match vs Young Germany for example.
- Wilders exaggerates the influence of islam. He tries to scare people for a minority, blowing stuff out of proportions, even proposing to deport muslims. He calls immigrants "islamic voting cattle", wearing "kopvodden". Useless insulting, just to get more votes from Henk and Ingrid.
- Wilders accuses our judicial system to be biased towards the sharia. Maybe this isn't more radical than Janmaat, it is more ridiculous.

I never said that Wilders is racist or that he is like Hitler. Why do you react like that?

Btw: if Wilders is so smart as some people say but he still keeps leading a political party full of dumbasses who only want their face on TV by saying stupid things, then why isn't he just dismissing all silly members? Why not try to make his party look like a serious option to vote for?

About Rutte I: I strongly disgaree with these kind of politics, but since we are a democracy, I have to live with it for now. I just hope they don't destroy too much, like the cultural sector, public transport and education (like they are doing now).

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #248 on: 20-05-2011, 17:05:31 »
STILL NO GOVERMENT  ;D
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #249 on: 21-05-2011, 10:05:00 »
STILL NO GOVERMENT  ;D

ah man, lets hope that Belgium has a new goverment soon. this cant be right, right?

but your country is political so strange made up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6NQKHd70\
no disrespect with this vid, i love the Belgians, great people  :)
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #251 on: 27-06-2011, 16:06:26 »
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #252 on: 27-06-2011, 18:06:22 »
Nope, nothing has changed :D

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #253 on: 27-06-2011, 18:06:13 »
STILL NO GOVERMENT  ;D

And now?
still at step 2. or have we fallen back to step one? :v
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #254 on: 27-06-2011, 18:06:36 »
I bet they paused everything because that funny guy with his bow-tie couldn't speak.
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