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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #210 on: 05-04-2011, 20:04:25 »
AKA= SUSFU

Situation Unchanged, Still Fucked Up
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #211 on: 06-04-2011, 15:04:01 »
Are the situation there very serious?

i.e. third world serious?

I mean, not the kind of European or North American bullshit serious (your president being rickrolled in front of journalists). Instead, more like 2011 Egypt or 2010 Thailand?

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #212 on: 06-04-2011, 15:04:53 »
*facepalms


Belgium politics in nutshell
Flemish parties= WE WANT THE THINGS OUR WAY AND WE WONT GIVE IN
Walloon parties= WE WANT THE THINGS OUR WAY AND WE WONT GIVE IN

And thats the current situation still
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #213 on: 06-04-2011, 16:04:41 »
Are the situation there very serious?

i.e. third world serious?

I mean, not the kind of European or North American bullshit serious (your president being rickrolled in front of journalists). Instead, more like 2011 Egypt or 2010 Thailand?

no. It's neither of those.
It's about old problems that got delayed during each government forming since 1970. But it has a reason why it kept getting delayed, as neither parties could get a satisfying agreement.

Now we want to get trough this big bullshit once and for all, but the old contrasts between the participants remain, and thus nothing gets achieved.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #214 on: 06-04-2011, 16:04:40 »
But that's what democracy has been a bitch for right?

In India, where there are more than a thousand parties (including local-specific parties), they all have been hampering local infrastructure developments for whatever reason they can find, while in truth, they are just seeking ways to make the project contributes to their own popularity. Thus no "puff" magic growth like China, despite their common size and potential.

We have 43 political party, apparently with no clear ideology. The one who claim to be religious party (Islamic parties, Catholic National, and Christian "Peace & Prosperity" Party) are not so distinctive and very compromising. Yet none can really agree on something good to be worked on. They are just wasting tax payer money, sitting in the AC-ed parliament building, quarreling, then taking a break to restaurant, spa, and gym, then came back late to fall asleep, and then continues next day.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #215 on: 06-04-2011, 16:04:57 »
Whoopy, almost to 300 days! just a week or so to go.

My demands for the politicians, Back to the original borders!



Flanders Forever!

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good, then I no longer live in flanders :P
Duchy of Brabant WTF 

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But that's what democracy has been a bitch for right?

In India, where there are more than a thousand parties (including local-specific parties), they all have been hampering local infrastructure developments for whatever reason they can find, while in truth, they are just seeking ways to make the project contributes to their own popularity. Thus no "puff" magic growth like China, despite their common size and potential.

We have 43 political party, apparently with no clear ideology. The one who claim to be religious party (Islamic parties, Catholic National, and Christian "Peace & Prosperity" Party) are not so distinctive and very compromising. Yet none can really agree on something good to be worked on. They are just wasting tax payer money, sitting in the AC-ed parliament building, quarreling, then taking a break to restaurant, spa, and gym, then came back late to fall asleep, and then continues next day.

It's a bit less straight forward then that. The parties surely have a future vision, but it's contradictory on both sides of the linguistic border.

I suggest you watch this video, it explanes quite well why this nation is running on squares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwHotpl9DA

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #216 on: 06-04-2011, 19:04:41 »
Well, saw the video, apart from the typical European uniqueness bragging, the information is very useful, thanks.

There has been similar schism between our east and west too. But we wouldn't allow such individual parliament for each region which is equally powerful as the central government. We got a regional congress to represent voices within the provinces, and each forms a representative in the central, with hierarchical structure... not equal. Can't see the reason behind why it should be made equally powerful.

I can see the problem with your capital city being located in the Dutch zone.

Many people also complained that our capital too is located in Java island in a country that perceived to be, "Java-centric" government as perceived by other ethnic groups. All of our 6 presidents are Javanese, from the 300+ different ethnic groups. But that doesn't matter, since they made 58% of the total population.

The solution to the problem might be to make a third political opinion. Don't let this two divide the society the way Republicans and Democrat slice Americans into two. Well, it is always best to have more, because the more number of opinions, the more we want to learn about them and try to do something about the others.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #217 on: 06-04-2011, 20:04:38 »
Uniqueness bragging? All I see is them polishing away the stereotype of that jolly guy with a bowler who likes to drink beer.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #218 on: 06-04-2011, 20:04:37 »
And setting some things straight like that Swiss Chocolat and French fries are Belgian, not Swiss or French.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #219 on: 06-04-2011, 20:04:02 »
the video is meant as a satire , maybe I should have told that from the beginning :P

But non the less, it the political representation is more or less correct, and that's where it's all about. Don't pay attention to the other bullcrap though  :)

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The solution to the problem might be to make a third political opinion. Don't let this two divide the society the way Republicans and Democrat slice Americans into two. Well, it is always best to have more, because the more number of opinions, the more we want to learn about them and try to do something about the others.

tried this. German minority was given the option to come to a solution, did not work.

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But we wouldn't allow such individual parliament for each region which is equally powerful as the central government. We got a regional congress to represent voices within the provinces, and each forms a representative in the central, with hierarchical structure... not equal. Can't see the reason behind why it should be made equally powerful.

agree there should be. It was made equal so one of another region would not force policies within another. Leads to very stupid regional policies which should actually be  national.

For instance, if a factory wants to put down a plant in Belgium, it will get different environmental quota for each of the 3 regions, despite the fact you dump your waist in the same river that flows trough each region.

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I can see the problem with your capital city being located in the Dutch zone.

It's not, it is its own separate region , but there is indeed a Dutch ring around it , if that's what you mean. But there are also isolated Dutch communities in wallonia who are cut off from flanders and everything seems to work.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #220 on: 07-04-2011, 15:04:59 »
If you are one nation, why is it a problem being a Waloon inside a Flander land and vice versa?

I bet 80% of the world population can't tell the difference between them before they speak something. The historical should mean not much really.

In the past, Sundanese was defeated in a war by the Javanese, they lived in the same island of Java. Our capital region settles in Sundanese region, yet most of the population is Javanese. We mix Portuguese, Arabic, Indian, Chinese, Sundanese, Javanese, and later Dutch all into one culture called Betawi, which essentially is native to the capital city of Jakarta.

In the past, our history class teach us to hate the Dutch as being cunning and subversive. Yet none remembered such. Ik never felt that way, jij should too! Tell the political party that you both know all of their divisive nonsense.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #221 on: 07-04-2011, 19:04:50 »
i lived with walloons in a diff country for 14 years , yet we all came to belgium feeling more belgian than those who never met a walloon or been to wallonia, its all about money and racism, but mostly the latter with the first as excuse.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #222 on: 07-04-2011, 19:04:18 »
You have Flemish , you have walloons

and you have BELGIANS

Huge diffrence

Im from flanders and i love flanders but i love wallonia as much
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #223 on: 07-04-2011, 20:04:18 »
You have Flemish , you have walloons

and you have BELGIANS

Huge diffrence

Im from flanders and i love flanders but i love wallonia as much
You do realize they are all the exact same thing: Flat land.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #224 on: 07-04-2011, 20:04:52 »
You have Flemish , you have walloons

and you have BELGIANS

Huge diffrence

Im from flanders and i love flanders but i love wallonia as much
You do realize they are all the exact same thing: Flat land.
Wallonia has hills  ;)
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