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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: fighterpil on 18-01-2018, 20:01:55
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Post your map ideas for Forgotten Hope 2 here!
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Here are a few map ideas that I'd love to see in FH2:
Battle of Berlin
Battle of Stalingrad
Battle of Moscow
Battle of Dunkirk
Battle of The Hague
Siege of Lille
Operation Iskra
Operation Market Garden
Operation Dragoon
Battle of The Scheldt
Battle of the Dnieper
Battle of Singapore
Battle of Attu
Operation Bagration
Battle of Savo Island
and last but definitely not least: The Invasion of Pearl Harbor!
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Posting just a list of battle names that we probably know more about than you is not very useful. In fact, it is actually in the rules not to do that. However, if anyone wants to post an actual map concept (like that arnhem one), you can do it in here. Not that it matters, but could be fun.
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How to: Suggestions - Read Before Posting (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=18.0)
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Oh, sorry about that. I'll post more detailed ideas here and in separate threads.
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OK i'll play along since i'm snowed in, off work and bored.
Considering the Dev's manpower limitations, TS4EVER's cooking analogy's & current focus on the Eastern Front, here is my suggestion.
Narva Offensive (18–24 March 1944)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Narva_terrain.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Narva_area.png)
This would be possible i believe considering the equipment, uniforms, statics & weapons currently available. Also the terrain favors an easier build do to the water coverage. Plus there isn't a eastern from map in this area.
Design:
The objective of the Soviet offensive was the headquarters of the XXXXIII Army Corps on the Lastekodumägi height in the Sinimäed Hills next to the highway between Narva–Tallinn, sixteen kilometres west of Narva. The defence was built up as an array of posts between the hills and the railway.
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Posting just a list of battle names that we probably know more about than you is not very useful. In fact, it is actually in the rules not to do that. However, if anyone wants to post an actual map concept (like that arnhem one), you can do it in here. Not that it matters, but could be fun.
I'll post a few detailed threads like that one sometime, sorry about this. BTW, can you help me? I've got a problem when I play FH2, more info here: http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=21624.0 (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=21624.0) Thanks!
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OK i'll play along since i'm snowed in, off work and bored.
Considering the Dev's manpower limitations, TS4EVER's cooking analogy's & current focus on the Eastern Front, here is my suggestion.
Narva Offensive (18–24 March 1944)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Narva_terrain.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Narva_area.png)
This would be possible i believe considering the equipment, uniforms, statics & weapons currently available. Also the terrain favors an easier build do to the water coverage. Plus there isn't a eastern from map in this area.
Design:
The objective of the Soviet offensive was the headquarters of the XXXXIII Army Corps on the Lastekodumägi height in the Sinimäed Hills next to the highway between Narva–Tallinn, sixteen kilometres west of Narva. The defence was built up as an array of posts between the hills and the railway.
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Nice idea! Thanks for the details. :)
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That map exists, I have it somewhere. It was started by a beta testers who left. IIRC the Russians had to cross a railroad line and then go up the hills (Orphanage hill and another one).
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That map exists, I have it somewhere. It was started by a beta testers who left. IIRC the Russians had to cross a railroad line and then go up the hills (Orphanage hill and another one).
Oh, really? Is it completed?
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That map exists, I have it somewhere. It was started by a beta testers who left. IIRC the Russians had to cross a railroad line and then go up the hills (Orphanage hill and another one).
Oh, really? Is it completed?
He just posted that It was started by a beta testers, meaning no. :-\
Cool TS. If you find it post a mini map or whatever is available. Would be interesting to see what his plans were.
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If it was completed, you would be able to see it in the in game map selection menu ;)
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Same as Jimi, also snowed here and bored. I was recently reading Osprey's "Operation Torch" book and became interested in the Battle for Port Lyautey. Stiff Vichy French resistance, and multiple counterattacks kept pushing Americans away from the Kasbah.
I imagine this map would feel like a mix of Omaha Beach and Sidi Bou Zid considering the situation and environment. I made a quick map layout below:
(https://i.imgur.com/ay0mgpv.png)
The US can land and cap three beach points and then has to proceed inland: either to the airfield in the north, the Kasbah in the center, or the Rabat road in the south. Afterwards, directly assault and defend the port city.
What can I say, I'd love to see the French in the game someday (even if they aren't fighting along the allies).
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If it was completed, you would be able to see it in the in game map selection menu ;)
Oh, lol. Sorry about that, I wasn't sure if there were some completed maps that hadn't been added to the game yet.
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Here's a map that I've been wanting to see in Forgotten Hope 2 for quite some time now: The Attack on Pearl Harbor. I'm not sure if the FH2 team would be willing to develop this, since CMP has been the only source of Pacific front content, but I thought I'd still put it out there nonetheless. Here is a bit of info regarding the attack:
(https://s18.postimg.org/q6gsagei1/Screen_Shot_2018-01-18_at_4.28.49_PM.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/orf7lq5p5/Screen_Shot_2018-01-18_at_4.29.26_PM.png)
(https://image.ibb.co/jrx746/18608460191_657b15f15c_o.gif)
(https://s18.postimg.org/k6t16e90p/Pearlmap1.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/zfiyk5uzd/Pearlmap2.png)
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I was recently reading Osprey's "Operation Torch" book and became interested in the Battle for Port Lyautey. Stiff Vichy French resistance, and multiple counterattacks kept pushing Americans away from the Kasbah....What can I say, I'd love to see the French in the game someday (even if they aren't fighting along the allies).
I've always thought about an Operation Torch map. Although the one you posted seems very large so it would have to be scaled down. I've always imagined closer to 1:1 scale. The only one I've ever done research on is Safi;
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-6.html (https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-6.html)
Same concept. USA vs Vichy French in an African port. I feel like more custom stuff would need to be made to get a proper Vichy French force tho. On top of that, amphibious landings are quite difficult to pull off in a map. But I love the idea of US in the desert. :D
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Here's a map that I've been wanting to see in Forgotten Hope 2 for quite some time now: The Attack on Pearl Harbor. I'm not sure if the FH2 team would be willing to develop this, since CMP has been the only source of Pacific front content, but I thought I'd still put it out there nonetheless. Here is a bit of info regarding the attack:
(https://s18.postimg.org/q6gsagei1/Screen_Shot_2018-01-18_at_4.28.49_PM.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/orf7lq5p5/Screen_Shot_2018-01-18_at_4.29.26_PM.png)
(https://image.ibb.co/jrx746/18608460191_657b15f15c_o.gif)
(https://s18.postimg.org/k6t16e90p/Pearlmap1.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/zfiyk5uzd/Pearlmap2.png)
Now that's a much better suggestion. Now consider that CMP has all of the Jap Statics, ships models ect and FH2 has none (Officially). So, submit this to them.
Now i have an assignment for you. I want you to select a map project for the Eastern Front Time Frame (Summer 44) It can be any of the current available armies (Soviet-German-Finland).
* Bonus Assignment
- Ask TS4EVER why the eastern Front map graphic on the maps page;
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/images/languages/english/scenarios/FH2/easternfront.gif)
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/fh2_maps.php
has the Polish army symbol, but no Polish army maps listed, then recommend a Poland vs Russia map
Good luck. ;D
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Here's a map that I've been wanting to see in Forgotten Hope 2 for quite some time now: The Attack on Pearl Harbor. I'm not sure if the FH2 team would be willing to develop this, since CMP has been the only source of Pacific front content, but I thought I'd still put it out there nonetheless. Here is a bit of info regarding the attack:
(https://s18.postimg.org/q6gsagei1/Screen_Shot_2018-01-18_at_4.28.49_PM.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/orf7lq5p5/Screen_Shot_2018-01-18_at_4.29.26_PM.png)
(https://image.ibb.co/jrx746/18608460191_657b15f15c_o.gif)
(https://s18.postimg.org/k6t16e90p/Pearlmap1.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/zfiyk5uzd/Pearlmap2.png)
Now that's a much better suggestion. Now consider that CMP has all of the Jap Statics, ships models ect and FH2 has none (Officially). So, submit this to them.
Now i have an assignment for you. I want you to select a map project for the Eastern Front Time Frame (Summer 44) It can be any of the current available armies (Soviet-German-Finland).
* Bonus Assignment
- Ask TS4EVER why the eastern Front map graphic on the maps page;
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/images/languages/english/scenarios/FH2/easternfront.gif)
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/fh2_maps.php
has the Polish army symbol, but no Polish army maps listed, then recommend a Poland vs Russia map
Good luck. ;D
Alright, will do.
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Stop fucking with him Jimi. It has a polish icon because it is the same graphic that is used for the FH1 map selection, which had 1939 polish campaign. There are no early war Eastern Front maps and none are planned, since there aren't any proper vehicles and uniforms (playermodels) available for that period ::)
Alright, will do.
Don't. And stop sending me private messages, please.
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Stop fucking with him Jimi. It has a polish icon because it is the same graphic that is used for the FH1 map selection, which had 1939 polish campaign. There are no early war Eastern Front maps and none are planned, since there aren't any proper vehicles and uniforms (playermodels) available for that period ::)
Alright, will do.
Don't. And stop sending me private messages, please.
Okay, sorry for the misunderstanding. I only PM'ed you once, and it was because of a bug that I thought you might be able to help me fix.
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Now i have an assignment for you. I want you to select a map project for the Eastern Front Time Frame (Summer 44) It can be any of the current available armies (Soviet-German-Finland).
Decided to make another layout based on the Narva region: Tannenberg Line/ Blue Mountains defense.
(https://i.imgur.com/y2miEP7.png)
From the looks of it, it would play out like Sammatus but with more hilly terrain. Of course Estonians would be represented as Germans.
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Now i have an assignment for you. I want you to select a map project for the Eastern Front Time Frame (Summer 44) It can be any of the current available armies (Soviet-German-Finland).
Decided to make another layout based on the Narva region: Tannenberg Line/ Blue Mountains defense.
(https://i.imgur.com/y2miEP7.png)
From the looks of it, it would play out like Sammatus but with more hilly terrain. Of course Estonians would be represented as Germans.
Dear christ! You are about to compress like half of estonia into one map? Not a good idea imho! Dont fall into that CMP problem where they downscale things way too much. Sinimäed alone is a big enough area for an absolutely huge map, now you'll just downscale a very large area into a relatively small space.
If you want my opinion, focus on Sinimäed only. You can do exactly what you want to do here if you spread the flags around the 3 hills.
EDIT: It would not play anything like Sammatus, because Sammatus is a tiny map for infantry fighting. ;)
EDIT #2: Be sharp and careful with your research btw. :)
Sinimäed consists of three hills that they fought over. So calling a flag "Sinimäed" is wrong when you also include Tornimägi, but still leaving out Grenaderimägi. Also, Sinimäed means Blue Hills, which are: Lastekodumägi (Orphanage Hill), Grenaderimägi (Grenadier Hill) and Tornimägi (Tower Hill).
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Looks really nice, but might be a tad bit big. :D
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(https://i.imgur.com/cn2yn9X.png)
https://youtu.be/-Sgj78QG9Bg?t=209 I hope this looks better :)
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Nice layout, you should try your hand in the editor to make it. The layout would play well in a standard conquest map (or conquest assault it looks like).
Wouldn't take any custom statics so you could put it together with EF village buildings. Then it's just a matter of making the flag in the open field something fun to fight over like a defensive strong point. That whole line of flags could be low walls, backyards, homes trenches etc... for good infantry fighting. You could even add a 5th flag in the middle where that crossroads is so that the distance between the flags is good for infantry movement.
Area to the south seems to be characterized by open fields that are good for tanking and the north area is the same but slightly different with groupings of forrest to break up the openness.
You could have yourself a relatively simple and dynamic layout imo. Is this a specific area where the Estonians fought or would it matter to just use German forces?
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You could even add a 5th flag in the middle where that crossroads is so that the distance between the flags is good for infantry movement.
To avoid the stalemate when each team has 2 flags and no one bleeds, you mean? ;)
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Yea, an uneven number of flags is usually good cause it keeps people fighting (one team is usually always bleeding and needs to cap a flag) also the more I look at the area on Google Maps, the more it seems like this would still be a big map with a 2x2km layout. Maybe that middle area could be scaled down slightly but there's certainly room for a 5th flag in there and you could make it another defensive point that's not on a hill, call it roadblock or something.
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Here's an idea that's been floating in my mind for a long time now, the 1940 Battle of the Aisne:
It's meant to represent the fighting on the 10th of June as the germans break through the Weygand Line.
(https://s17.postimg.org/e92ub6hy7/plan_v2.png)
This layout is meant to work as a mirrored-Siege of Tobruk. The germans start with two flags, which represent the furthest extent of the bridgehead gained on the 9th of June after the hard-fought battle at Chateau-Porcien (the german mainbase), and must capture at least two more flags to make the french bleed. The french can also attack the german held flags, but wichever side bleeds is the one that gets proper offensive tools like tanks and air support.
This is meant to be a back and forward, attack and counterattack map, representing both the initial german armored push and the counterstroke by Groupement Buisson. All the flags initially in french hands are meant to be hedgehogs with all around defence.
Also, yes, it is very scaled, with about IRL 2 km between flags of the same sector and 5 km between sectors.
(https://i.imgur.com/HFKL0fI.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/cn2yn9X.png)
https://youtu.be/-Sgj78QG9Bg?t=209 I hope this looks better :)
Super! That is actually pretty much the setup I would have gone if I were to continue work on KeiMummy's Sinimäed map.
Like suggested, a fifth flag could work to help potential stalemates. That flag could be at the old cemetery, on the southern slope of Tornimägi or by the sport field belonging to the school at the village, between Grenaderimägi and the village.
Thought the area overall is large, one should be careful not to make the map too big. Some downscaling is almost always necessary, but in this kind of size it is far more appropriate approach than with the "fit the entire Kursk salient into a map" approach.
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Y'all need to strap into the Editor and make something of these layouts. The last 2 posted are quite good :)
Super! That is actually pretty much the setup I would have gone if I were to continue work on KeiMummy's Sinimäed map.
was his laid out like this?
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was his laid out like this?
I dont think it was. I changed it when I worked on it. I think I still have it on my external harddrive.
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(https://i.imgur.com/35LvqyH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4hxZ7XD.jpg)
This map has been figuring in my head for some time and offers some interesting possibilities.
After the fall of East Prussia the soviets proceeded with landings of troops and tanks on the frische nehrung (vistula spit) at the 26th of april 1945. Both the frische nehrung and the vistula estuary at the base of the frische nehrung was packed with wounded soldiers and fleeing civilians waiting to be picked up by the german fleet and the germans put up determined defense with the last tanks, equipment and soldiers to slow down the soviet attempts to destroy the bridgehead.
From what I can remember from reading the sPzAbt.511 (former 502) lost their last Tiger I (which was shipped from East Prussia and repaired) on the frische nehrung after inflicting the soviets some losses, aswell as the 4.Pz-Div sending some reinforcements to the frische nehrung - which leave some room for vehicle fighting. I will have to dive into my library for more specific information.
Information about the fighting.
(https://i.imgur.com/mgk2QqX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HnflzO5.jpg)
Vehicle of interest; Panzerspahwagen II Ausf L Luchs (used in the 4th Panzer Division since 1943 and was sent into the fighting on the frische nehrung)
This light reconnaissance tank saw service until the end of the war on both the Eastern and Western Front with Panzer-Aufklarungs-Abteilungen (armored reconnaissance detachments) of Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS. Reported users include 116th Panzer Division on the Western Front and 3rd, 4th and 6th Panzer Division on the Eastern Front.
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(https://i.imgur.com/cn2yn9X.png)
https://youtu.be/-Sgj78QG9Bg?t=209 I hope this looks better :)
Super! That is actually pretty much the setup I would have gone if I were to continue work on KeiMummy's Sinimäed map.
Like suggested, a fifth flag could work to help potential stalemates. That flag could be at the old cemetery, on the southern slope of Tornimägi or by the sport field belonging to the school at the village, between Grenaderimägi and the village.
Thought the area overall is large, one should be careful not to make the map too big. Some downscaling is almost always necessary, but in this kind of size it is far more appropriate approach than with the "fit the entire Kursk salient into a map" approach.
We need another Finnish map Pizzaman & this could be your claim to FH2 infamy!!
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More information added in my post above, now I just need to learn mapping :O
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We need another Finnish map...
oh yes, we do! 8)
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Kinda like the Frische Nehrung idea, since it has an amphibious element. And if I ever made it and it sucks, I can blame you.
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We need another Finnish map Pizzaman & this could be your claim to FH2 infamy!!
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But that's Estonia..? I don't know much about Finnish WW2 history except that it seems like all combat was in the woodlands.
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We need another Finnish map Pizzaman & this could be your claim to FH2 infamy!!
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But that's Estonia..? I don't know much about Finnish WW2 history except that it seems like all combat was in the woodlands.
Sorry, i was thinking Narva was Finland vs Russia. Its Germany vs Russia. :-\
Perhaps a map from the Lapland War. Germany vs Finland, but Narva is a great map idea!!
:P
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Had another map idea about Novorossiysk during the 1943 Kuban offensive. But I had trouble coming up with flag names since I don't understand Cyrillic. Also included a map based on the battle. I'd say this map kind of reminds me of Bad Company 2's "Port Valdez" with its harbor and nearby mountains. This would be a standard push map from the bottom right all the way to the top left.
(https://i.imgur.com/s2yC5KF.jpg)
(http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/maps/1943S/Caucasus/318RD_Novorossiysk_assault_BD_s23_Sept10_16_43.jpg)
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Kinda like the Frische Nehrung idea, since it has an amphibious element. And if I ever made it and it sucks, I can blame you.
:-* even easier to blame me if I make it myself, and the amphibious element was also my thought to avoid a hopeless stalemate meatgrinder even though the soviet side would have overwhelming superiority in armor and equipment, could aswell be a map without a german uncappable mainbase.
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Saying Narva is a great map idea is like saying Stalingrad or Kursk is a great idea... it's a bit broad approach at the subject and wouldnt be feasible to do with the map sizes we deal with. Now, if you would say something... Prokhorovka, Pavlov's House or something more specific, then it would make the idea at least somewhat doable.
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Had another map idea about Novorossiysk during the 1943 Kuban offensive. But I had trouble coming up with flag names since I don't understand Cyrillic. Also included a map based on the battle. I'd say this map kind of reminds me of Bad Company 2's "Port Valdez" with its harbor and nearby mountains. This would be a standard push map from the bottom right all the way to the top left.
Seems like custom statics galore ;D
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I seem to recall, long ago, I suggested the Soviet invasion of Crimea as a good amphib map for the Eastern Front..... :P
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Saying Narva is a great map idea is like saying Stalingrad or Kursk is a great idea... it's a bit broad approach at the subject and wouldnt be feasible to do with the map sizes we deal with. Now, if you would say something... Prokhorovka, Pavlov's House or something more specific, then it would make the idea at least somewhat doable.
Well i meant a more focused battle within The Battle of Narva. Basically what pizzaman came up with or "Battle of Tannenberg Line".
BTW FHSW has tons of cool custom statics, like the Reichstag & others. Is it possible to port those statics over to FH2...with permissions of course.
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If anyone needs help de-ciphering Cyrillic, y'all have me