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Offline Mazz

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Re: American planes
« Reply #15 on: 17-05-2010, 07:05:24 »
No,
as Ionizer said, their is little to no convergence which means none of your rounds are hitting exactly where you aim, but pretty far off to the left and right with the P-47/P-51. Try it in a slow strafing run at max view distance on Cobra on a local server.

The nose mounted cannons of the 109, and specifically the 190, make it a hell of a lot easier to both dogfight and strafe because the gun-sight actually puts your rounds on target. Put that on top of the better turn rate in the 190 to the P-51 and the fact you can glitch the 109E to turn on a dime and it turns into no contest.

Simply cutting the aircraft convergence down to 100-200m meters would likely solve any problems seen as a ROF or firepower issue. Not to say the .50 couldn't use a little ROF boost though.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #16 on: 18-05-2010, 02:05:02 »
I haven't posted in this thread...
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Re: American planes
« Reply #17 on: 18-05-2010, 02:05:51 »
Quote from: Ionizer on 18-05-2010, 02:05:02
I haven't posted in this thread...
You just did ;)

But I think he was meaning Paavopesusieni
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Re: American planes
« Reply #18 on: 18-05-2010, 16:05:41 »
I'd like to see the thunderbolt with napalm bombs  :D
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Re: American planes
« Reply #19 on: 18-05-2010, 20:05:38 »
Quote from: Desertfox on 18-05-2010, 02:05:51
Quote from: Ionizer on 18-05-2010, 02:05:02
I haven't posted in this thread...
You just did ;)

But I think he was meaning Paavopesusieni

Actaully I mean Azreal, guess I saw the airplane sig (although blatantly different) and assumed.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #20 on: 19-05-2010, 16:05:02 »
I'd agree that 200-250meter convergence would be quite nice. It's abit below fogrange so that would make sense.

I think ROF is set to 900 for the p51, which would mean 150per gun. I'd have to look at the other planes to figure out how that is in relation though. But it sounds pretty low to me.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #21 on: 19-05-2010, 17:05:36 »
American ROF should be ludicrous as you have 6 (Mustang) or 8 (Jug) MG's firing at the same time. Even though the .50 cal bullets did not penetrate even a tank's top armour, they were nevertheless used on tanks because the sheer volume of fire meant that at least some shells had a realisting chance of going through the air intake / radiator grilles on the engine deck and doing some damage.

Also, now that I see more and more screenshots, the Friedrich should really lose those Gustav's gunpods. If it causes an imbalance, so be it, add another 109 into the mix then.

Yeah, and even if the visibility was several kilometers, setting the convergence farther than 150-200 m is pointless as you are not going to hit a fighter-sized wildly manoeuvering target at that range anyway, or even if you accidentally hit, you are not likely to do much damage.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #22 on: 19-05-2010, 17:05:36 »
Quote from: Kelmola on 19-05-2010, 17:05:36
American ROF should be ludicrous as you have 6 (Mustang) or 8 (Jug) MG's firing at the same time. Even though the .50 cal bullets did not penetrate even a tank's top armour, they were nevertheless used on tanks because the sheer volume of fire meant that at least some shells had a realisting chance of going through the air intake / radiator grilles on the engine deck and doing some damage.

Also, now that I see more and more screenshots, the Friedrich should really lose those Gustav's gunpods. If it causes an imbalance, so be it, add another 109 into the mix then.

Yeah, and even if the visibility was several kilometers, setting the convergence farther than 150-200 m is pointless as you are not going to hit a fighter-sized wildly manoeuvering target at that range anyway, or even if you accidentally hit, you are not likely to do much damage.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #23 on: 19-05-2010, 17:05:23 »
Was editing my post, but to stress the point, let's put it in a new one: the ROF of a single M2 was 750-850 rpm, so 4800 or 6400 would be realistic... that or 6/8 times the damage of a single bullet at current ROF.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #24 on: 19-05-2010, 17:05:25 »
Yep.

6&8 .50CAL's was also a better armament then 2 7.92MM and 4 20MM cannons.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #25 on: 19-05-2010, 17:05:56 »
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Re: American planes
« Reply #26 on: 19-05-2010, 18:05:11 »
Holy shit the Hispano is big. Even the 30MM MK108 is smaller!

But despite that, 6 .50CAL's still shredded german plane's.It was only after the korean war, that the .50CAL lost its power as an aircraft weapon.

This guy has many article's and books.  Might buy one of them one day.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #27 on: 19-05-2010, 19:05:03 »
I don't believe you read him well.  the basic conclusion was that the cannon armed aircraft were far more powerful then the 50cal armed American aircraft :P
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Re: American planes
« Reply #28 on: 19-05-2010, 21:05:50 »
Yea, but the rest goes to say they were competitive and adqeuate for the job, even if by just sheer quantity of guns and offseting the extra weight with the large engines in most allied fighters.

The fact of the matter is the .50s currently underperform: whether its a convergence issue or a rof issue or both, they could use a tweak.
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Re: American planes
« Reply #29 on: 19-05-2010, 21:05:33 »
Yep. They need like 3 times the time to bring down a FW190. In the same time a FW190 would have killed 2 of your planes

IMO the 7.62MM and 7.92 to FAR to much damage on plane's. It would solve the ME and FW Cowling MG whoring and also the whoring of tanks against plane's with their coaxial
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