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Forgotten Hope 2 => Tactics & Tutorials => Topic started by: Moose on 02-08-2011, 08:08:50
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Alright boys, I just started getting back into FH2, I must admit, 2.4 feels 100% better than previous versions. My main problem is, however, that I am a major noob. I cannot shoot a rifle, be it bolt action or semi-auto to save my life. I see people like Dazlayer and Anubis always dominating with the rifle, pinging people who pop up from cover. I can never seem to hit what I think I am aiming at. Anybody have any tips or tricks on how to aim the rifles in order to ensure a better chance of hit. I mean it could just be that you will all tell me I need practice and to stop swearing in the wolf server. Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions.
Also, in game name is moose12345 and I'm constantly on wolf being a, I think Googel called me, a smart wise ass.
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Use the sights :v
Anything to make the sights look good in graphics, will make you better
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You gotta master the reflexes. Use cover and don't expose yourself for long. Pop in and out of cover, and take quick shots. When you meet another foe with a rifle try strafing left/right, then stop for a quick shot. While watching Dazlazyer I noticed how he strafed left and right, then stoped for a second for a quick shot, I copied this tactic to great effect :)
Keep using the rifle, and try not to get into situations where you are at GREAT disadvantage to SMG dudes.
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You can "quick-scope" and "duck-shoot" easy in FH2. While it isnt a scope, same technique works quite well (I did last night with m191903 on Pdh)
quick-scoping-duck-shoot is when you right-click and almost immediately as you're in ironsight you fire and then get back out from ironsight and then you duck at the same time. The controls will allow you to fire with full ironsight "aim" and you will be in cover when the enemy dies (Or if you miss!). I had ping 48 so I guess I was OK, i felt a fraction of a tiny little lag when I strafe- or duck-shot, but when you do land the shots, it feels very "Equilibrium/Matrix" cool, as you move and shoot at the same time
Quick-scope video (BC2) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dO8NQkzW9c
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Alot of people panick when they get shot at, just stay calm and take a shot. With a rifle it's probably the only one you get anyway. Another important aspect is leading a target, this is something you only really get the hang of after playing lots and it depends on your ping as well. Good tip is to wait for a player to either slow down from sprint to walk or stop entirely and make sure you're ready to fire of a round when they do. So yeah don't fire the moment you spot someone but wait for the best moment to get the kill. Because once you fire they'll know you're there.
Best advice try asking Major Koenig, the guy is just scary accurate with a rifle. Believe it's about 50% after 6000+ shots fired.
Quick-scope video (BC2) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dO8NQkzW9c
PC has no auto aim correction. :P
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FH2 uses a fake sway animation (bullets still come out from the center of the screen) so don't aim where the iron sights are. You need to aim at the center of the screen. To fight the fake sway, instead of aiming a target for like 10 seconds just unzoom and zoom back the iron sights will be set back to the center of the screen, then you shoot where they aim. It's quick scoping like Natty said :P.
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Make sure u got aa in settings :)
Aim and use ctrl insted of laying down with z.
And ofc practise alot, and you have you have to be fast in fh2!
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Make sure u got aa in settings :)
Aim and use ctrl insted of laying down with z.
And ofc practise alot, and you have you have to be fast in fh2!
Yeah! Eventually you will be good enough to act like you are shooting lasers when you kill people.
Deadly and accurate :)
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i think whether you do win or not do win a firefight with rifles is mostly a matter of who has the better position. i always try to get into positions where nobody expects me. i try to attack the enemy from the side or rear, head on its rather a 50/50 chance, but when you are in an ambush position you will win.
when you are in a house stay a meter behind the window so you are harder to spot, if the enemy is firing at you dont pop up in that window again, because with those laser beams in FH2 you will be dead.
in ambush positions you also have more time to aim.
another thing is that people get nervous when their first shot didnt hit, sometimes its a good idea to go for cover and when the enemy has fired his first shot to pop out and fire back. if the enemy tries to bunny hop dont shoot at him when hes "in the air" - wait till he hits the ground again and then shoot.
also i dont zoom in close combat (less then 20 metres).
other then that you will get a hang of it anyways after some hours of playing.
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If you're not used to the ironsights, you need to realize where to put the sight, so the bullet will actually hit.
The rifle with the best sight is the K98. The cone isn't blocking your view. The bullet will exactly go where the last pixel of your cone ends. So you can aim at the target, while only a very small share of the target person is actually covered by the pin itself. Makes it very easy to adjust your aim when the target is moving.
The british enfield rifles are rather shitty to use for a beginner. You don't have a cone but rather some block. If you want to hit with the enfield, your target person needs to be half-covered by the block. If you aim at some head and want to hit the nose, the chin, mouth and mustache needs to be fully covered.
I have the tendency to aim too high on the enfield. Covering the complete person. But whenever the block covers the complete person, my bullets go above.
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Imho, teaching shooting for FPS on forum is same as teaching how to drive car, maybe even bit harder. Play, play and play, that's my advice.
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If you're not used to the ironsights, you need to realize where to put the sight, so the bullet will actually hit.
The rifle with the best sight is the K98. The cone isn't blocking your view. The bullet will exactly go where the last pixel of your cone ends. So you can aim at the target, while only a very small share of the target person is actually covered by the pin itself. Makes it very easy to adjust your aim when the target is moving.
The british enfield rifles are rather shitty to use for a beginner. You don't have a cone but rather some block. If you want to hit with the enfield, your target person needs to be half-covered by the block. If you aim at some head and want to hit the nose, the chin, mouth and mustache needs to be fully covered.
I have the tendency to aim too high on the enfield. Covering the complete person. But whenever the block covers the complete person, my bullets go above.
IMO the best rifles to begin with are indeed the mauser, Carcano and Lee enfield Pattern 17
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I like Garand sights.
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I like Garand sights.
I hate them, I can't hit anything with them...
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I cant hit shit with the Carcano'. It seems so easy, just point it like the K98 with the sight set on someone's torso and pull the rigger. But I always seems to miss with that sucker.
A bit topic related, do you really have to aim high with the sniper rifle on long distances. After playing this mod from the beginning this is still the only weapon that baffles me on occasion.
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I cant hit shit with the Carcano'. It seems so easy, just point it like the K98 with the sight set on someone's torso and pull the rigger. But I always seems to miss with that sucker.
A bit topic related, do you really have to aim high with the sniper rifle on long distances. After playing this mod from the beginning this is still the only weapon that baffles me on occasion.
I agree with the sniper thing, I cant ever hit anything when I get my hands on one of those
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The bullet drop in sniper rifles for some reason seems to be even more than the magnification would suggest. So if you would compensate with ~5 pixels with an unscoped rifle, with a 10x scope you would not compensate ~50 but 100+ pixels ???
Either that, or I already compensate more pixels than I think when firing an unscoped rifle and then simply fail to compensate enough with a scoped one. :-\
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I cant hit shit with the Carcano'. It seems so easy, just point it like the K98 with the sight set on someone's torso and pull the rigger. But I always seems to miss with that sucker.
A bit topic related, do you really have to aim high with the sniper rifle on long distances. After playing this mod from the beginning this is still the only weapon that baffles me on occasion.
its user dependant i guess. i love the carcano in both versions.
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I have difficulty hitting things with any kind of firearms in the game also, people are just ridiculously accurate with their shots. I tends to spam shots at a target and pray if one bullet would hit, usually that worked if the enemy can't see me. The rifle is OK as I could still perform as an experienced player, the pistol is more of a headache to me I can't hit anything except when the target's head appear to be bigger than my pistol ironsight.
Oh well, I think with a high quality/high resolution graphics I see my target much much better than with crappy graphics.
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the pistol is more of a headache to me I can't hit anything except when the target's head appear to be bigger than my pistol ironsight.
It sounds like the pistols are working correctly then :) (only in -very- close quarters)
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Garand is my favourite rifle because it's semi-auto
I often find it hard to hit someone with an exposed head (and only his head) when shooting with any form of weapon - I much prefer a torso shot as I know that above the sight and below the sight is all going to be a hit (or just rifle nade and hope!)
I am slowly getting better at it (most of my rifle kills have been with an M1 on Ramelle and PHL - the other majority would have been k98). K98 being the rifle with the best sights. I would love to improve my rifle accuracy and force better shooting habbits on myself as I am sitting on around ~25% accuracy
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According to awards, your rifle accuracy seems to be 30% and that is extremely good imo.
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I still want improvement though! Most of the shots have been over like 0-20m, I'd love to get better at long range
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Shooting a mooving target at a great range is not the easiest thing to do, particulary if the guy is doing slalom and if you are stuck with a rifle that you don't like(fkn' Garand). You really need to put your sight a little more on left or on right and try to hit the body, the head is nearly impossible. You can also wait until he stops moves, but most of the time he will aim at you so you really need to shoot fast, especially if it's a DFL's or any great player
I think that the best rifle for practicing is the Lee Endfield No.4, with the "3 vertical bars" iron sight, this is the best rifle for shooting moving targets. The G43 have the same kind of sight, but with the Endfield is the rifle that I exceel the most and have the most intuitive sight IMO. With K98 I found it's easier to kill really far targets(desert), but harder while your target is on the move. You really need to find what is the best rifle for you then practice a lot with. Some rifles will be good for you, some will need more practice.
Now with 2.4, theres too much US maps in servers, so I'm stuck with the Garand that I hate so much and I still don't understand how to use it. I play almost only on the US side only to practice with the Garand, but God I hate that piece of sh*t. If I kill someone with(I really say if) I sprint to the dead corpse to get his K98, then if I'm not killed, K98 rampage starts. Last Monday on Eppeldorf I had 10kills in the round for 16 death, then at the last minute I got a K98 and got 7kills in 8 shots :P
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Im getting trouble firing at long ranges, 400 meters or so. I keep firing the rifle slightly raised, and I cant hit anything, same with they are in movement.
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Dont raise your rifle too high, just a little over the head you should be okay, you don't need to aim soo high over your target(only with a Sniper scope you need to aim quite high), and simply try to hit him, especially if he's running.
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So sniper rifles have much bullet drop in this mod? ???
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Snipers have same bullet drop as normal rifles, but with scope it looks like there was bigger drop.
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But the fact that it looks quite higher than normal rifles make that I perform a lot better with a unscoped rifle for extreme long range shots.
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Yep, that is indeed true. Aiming several cm (on my screen) higher that where target appears, doesn't make things easy at all. Wish we had adjustable sights....
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Yep, that is indeed true. Aiming several cm (on my screen) higher that where target appears, doesn't make things easy at all. Wish we had adjustable sights....
^this
would be very awesome, but i doubt BF2 Engine supports it
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Yep, that is indeed true. Aiming several cm (on my screen) higher that where target appears, doesn't make things easy at all. Wish we had adjustable sights....
^this
would be very awesome, but i doubt BF2 Engine supports it
I think that in Project Reality they have adjustable sights ?
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Yep, that is indeed true. Aiming several cm (on my screen) higher that where target appears, doesn't make things easy at all. Wish we had adjustable sights....
^this
would be very awesome, but i doubt BF2 Engine supports it
I think that in Project Reality they have adjustable sights ?
Only on Grenadier kit
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If you have Battlefield 3, go Recon and use rifles without the scopes. Ironsights are fun and good practice for close combat against SMGs!
If you're position is obviously unknown by the enemy, take your time. If a guy moves past, report his position. Never waste a round if you know he's gonna come back out giving you another chance.
Rifle nades are kinda like Panzerfausts. They both fire in an arc, and both have a decent blast radius. As well, both are used against infantry :/. Useful for combatting groups too far to use normal grenades, which are useful for getting the guy hiding behind that door over there.
If scoped, you don't have an excuse not to go ranged shooting. Then its a deer shoot. If you miss his nice ears will hear a whiz and flee. If you take your time, and if moving, aim ahead accordingly, it'll take a round and you'll get your venison/points.
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One thing that I noticed that's missing here is hitting moving targets. Online this can vary a lot, because it's ping related. The bigger the ping the bigger the "lead" you'll have to take. One good technique is to "trap shoot", especially priceless for snipers and bolt action rifles in general. It consists of:
1 Spot enemy
2 Mentally calculate his movement "vector" to predict his path
3 Estimate range
4 Aim a good ammount(1/2"-1" on the screen, maybe more) ahead of it
5 Wait until it is right where i will be when the bullet get there(based on distance, speed of the target, and ping), then shoot.
It took me a good ammount of practice to do this correctly, but it's the best way I found to hit moving targets consistently. It's this or spray it with the laffete :P
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If you have Battlefield 3, go Recon and use rifles without the scopes. Ironsights are fun and good practice for close combat against SMGs!
motherfrakking THIS
Another very good practise is Red orchestra 1 and 2 with good old trusty bolt action rifles
owning a PPSH with K98 or MKB with mosin nagant on CLOSE range=The best feeling evar
For BF3 the SV98 is the best choise
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Another very good practise is Red orchestra 1 and 2 with good old trusty bolt action rifles
owning a PPSH with K98 or MKB with mosin nagant on CLOSE range=The best feeling evar
THIS I support
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One thing that I noticed that's missing here is hitting moving targets. Online this can vary a lot, because it's ping related. The bigger the ping the bigger the "lead" you'll have to take. One good technique is to "trap shoot", especially priceless for snipers and bolt action rifles in general. It consists of:
1 Spot enemy
2 Mentally calculate his movement "vector" to predict his path
3 Estimate range
4 Aim a good ammount(1/2"-1" on the screen, maybe more) ahead of it
5 Wait until it is right where i will be when the bullet get there(based on distance, speed of the target, and ping), then shoot.
It took me a good ammount of practice to do this correctly, but it's the best way I found to hit moving targets consistently. It's this or spray it with the laffete :P
Basically this. Practice with bots.
They tend to move in straight lines without too much deviation, so it's great practice for range+movement.
Then unleash yourself on other players and see how you go. Scoped rifles can be deceptive, but you get used to the different scopes after a while.