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Title: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: azreal on 12-02-2012, 18:02:20
We are back this week with a new update in 1 hour at 19:00 GMT (2pm EST).

Mean, Green, and Unseen

Enjoy!
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-02-2012, 18:02:37
It's an anti-tank gun. Soviet/American/British
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 12-02-2012, 19:02:21
i think 57mm Zis-2, 76mm Zis-3, t-34, or a P-39 Airacobra. They all are green, mean, and haven't been in FH2 in any way. In general, something russian that hasn't been in any news updates before.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer) on 12-02-2012, 19:02:52
It's a render of an Su-100 :P
(I so freaking hope soo!)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-02-2012, 19:02:41
...or it indicates that the object spoken of was a bitch to find on the battlefield, suggesting a hidden weapon.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 12-02-2012, 19:02:55
A new green anti-tank mine?

E: Or it could be three different things.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-02-2012, 19:02:36
MIRAGE TANK!


(http://images.wikia.com/cnc/images/e/e4/MirageTankRA2.jpg)

I find trees lovely!
Nobody here but us trees!
Mean green and unseen!
Now you see me, soon you wont.
AHA!SNEAK attack!


Since the mirage tank changes to a tree
Foliage camo for STUG?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: evhgear on 12-02-2012, 19:02:17
ninjas with green suit ?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Tuco on 12-02-2012, 19:02:24
Maus obviously
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: LuckyOne on 12-02-2012, 19:02:13
Nah it's defiantly a Me-262!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 12-02-2012, 19:02:57
I bet I´m totally off the real thing again but someone can dream:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AP-rb774dmQ/SOH7QSS9QZI/AAAAAAAADns/yrGt4wID37Y/S1600-R/Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger+Group.jpg)

To be honest an anti tank gun sounds more plausible.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: evhgear on 12-02-2012, 19:02:16
If I was Giorgio A Tsoukalos...

Mean, Green, and Unseen
(http://sirkevinpatrick.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/aliens-meme.jpg?w=510)
ALIENS
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Tuco on 12-02-2012, 20:02:45
 :o
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: evhgear on 12-02-2012, 20:02:01
wheres my aliens !?!? I only see a Marder !!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: NTH on 12-02-2012, 20:02:08
Oww it's nice, very nice.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-02-2012, 20:02:12
Nice, not even a site-crash, very nice ;D

thanks Devs!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Master_of_Pain_25 on 12-02-2012, 20:02:32
What an unexpected thing ! Nice Marder ! And love the North Africa screenshot too !
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-02-2012, 20:02:37
That Marder is KAWAAAIIII ^^ DESU!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 12-02-2012, 20:02:02
The flipping days are over (looks at least like the weight is more balanced)? They also offer some better crew protection than the other Marder I (at least not totally open from behind). Can´t wait to use them for ambushes. Well done.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 12-02-2012, 20:02:21
Looks great and very unexpected  :o, and how many of these were? (I think I am calling it little nashorn now ;D)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Darman on 12-02-2012, 20:02:22
Great work. That new Marder looks awesome. Is the map in the back of the US tanks new?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Kelmola on 12-02-2012, 20:02:49
Nice 8)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Harmonikater on 12-02-2012, 20:02:28
Well since its a US in NA map it must be...
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Marder on 12-02-2012, 20:02:19
Wow :o, I never expected to see a Hotchkiss Marder I. I like it very much (first Seth Soldier's vehicle?), it's unexpected because the 2 Marder III that remains were much more common in Normandy.
Also, that Tunisia landscape is very, very interesting.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 12-02-2012, 20:02:23
Oooooh that map featuring the Sherman is clearly in Tunisia ... could it be .... Kasserine Pass?

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: azreal on 12-02-2012, 20:02:49
Oooooh that map featuring the Sherman is clearly in Tunisia ... could it be .... Kasserine Pass?

:D :D :D :D :D

test map
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Dukat on 12-02-2012, 21:02:51
Oooooh that map featuring the Sherman is clearly in Tunisia ... could it be .... Kasserine Pass?

:D :D :D :D :D

test map

It looks pretty nice.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 12-02-2012, 21:02:06
That Marder is shit hot. I can't wait to use it.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: ksl94 on 12-02-2012, 21:02:35
Outstanding as always! I am especially enchanted by the M4 and the M3. And that map-well, even though it is a test map, it looks outright amazing! I really, really hope that something similar is being secretely worked on by FH2's incredibly talented mappers. The terrain and statics remind me of Italy or Greece.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Torenico on 12-02-2012, 21:02:57
So this Marder can also be destroyed by .50 Cal?


Seriously, one of the best skins i evern seen in a game (Marder Skin).
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: ajappat on 12-02-2012, 22:02:44
What gun is this marder using?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Mud Buddha on 12-02-2012, 22:02:21
75 PAK 40?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: K.Cower on 12-02-2012, 22:02:01
75 PAK 40?

75mm PaK 40/1 L/46 anti-tank gun
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: djinn on 12-02-2012, 22:02:42
no chance it can be one of the marders on Ramelle Neuville, can it.... Those were 2 different chassis in the movie, right?.... Or wrong Marder type?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-02-2012, 22:02:46
I think that was a swedish tank in SPR.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 12-02-2012, 22:02:19
No it was just a different Marder?

(http://mainly28s.com/how_to/WIP/AGNM_Marder-II-SdKfz-131.jpg)


I want this one!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-02-2012, 22:02:02
that's the marder II I think.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Paythoss on 12-02-2012, 23:02:31
WTF ... they say M4 Sherman ... and i see a M4A1 ... hmm  8)

Marder I on H39 chassis ? That turtle have only 27 km/h speed ... no more racing under fire  :P


On Ramelle map , should be a Marder III Ausf M  8)
http://www.sproe.com/m/marder3.html

Nevertheless , splendid update  :)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: CptdeS35 on 12-02-2012, 23:02:18
You know, germans were not like us, make things in series !!

They took what they had, and arrange them like they can ! so you gonna found many different types of marder. Depend on what carrier/tank is used !
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Zulnex on 12-02-2012, 23:02:04
Awesome update as always. Many thanks Devs. 8)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Paythoss on 12-02-2012, 23:02:05
BTW ... H39 chassis ... do we gonna see french turtle on some Normandy maps ?  ;D
( Dreaming about Paris 1944 fights ... ) ;)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: jan_kurator on 12-02-2012, 23:02:13
On Ramelle map , should be a Marder III Ausf M  8)
http://www.sproe.com/m/marder3.html
Yeah, would be nice to see it there. Maybe someday, hopefully...
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 12-02-2012, 23:02:16
 Awesome looking map,

 If it is suitable for testing purposes, that means it is perfectly acceptable for us Public players to enjoy as well.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-02-2012, 23:02:22
azreal was joking... no testmap looks like that. They look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn-LPSJf0Sc
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Harmonikater on 13-02-2012, 00:02:16
azreal was joking... no testmap looks like that. They look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn-LPSJf0Sc

Imo that kind of map map could work well for Battle of Britain or Bombing the Reich! (planes only and objectives to destroy)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 13-02-2012, 00:02:41
azreal was joking... no testmap looks like that. They look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn-LPSJf0Sc

 I never follow an uncited link to youtube but i suppose you are linking to a video of supercharge (one of the original test maps).
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-02-2012, 00:02:47
azreal was joking... no testmap looks like that. They look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn-LPSJf0Sc

 I never follow an uncited link to youtube but i suppose you are linking to a video of supercharge (one of the original test maps).

No I am linking to a video of overlord Kev posted like a month ago.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Die Happy on 13-02-2012, 00:02:20
i love the marder

first time we tested it it was still bugged and you couldn't traverse the gun at all, and thus needed to move the whole thing to target stuff.

however the camouflage was so great i scored 5 kills before they found me.

just lovely little ambush vehicle.

as for those africa sherman, also very nice.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 13-02-2012, 00:02:34
That is a damn nice variant.

The one you see there its a variant made with Hotchkiss tank with a Pak 40 gun...however I would love if it was equipped with an mg42 or mg34. Often crews would include it in their vehicles.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O-acJp8VMao/TVxfG2MUHVI/AAAAAAAAAqA/XxOX8JkLUHg/s1600/Build15.jpg)

(http://ww2photo.se/tanks/d/utl/fr/hotc/02760.jpg)

You can see the mg in the same side.

Also there is an artillery version too, equipped with a 105mm lefh 18.

Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 13-02-2012, 00:02:47
After seeing this I was thinking, how many vehicles are there left/can be made for the mapped area's?, I know there are some but I don't expect to see those (Excamples: Humber Armored Car, Cruiser Mk VIII Challenger A30 of which I am not very sure if it was used in the mapped area's of normandy) but other said I didn't expect this one either.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Torenico on 13-02-2012, 01:02:14
Panzer I for Normandy, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Kev4000 on 13-02-2012, 01:02:43
Marder I on H39 chassis ? That turtle have only 27 km/h speed ... no more racing under fire  :P

Can argue its top speed at 37km/h for the H39.
Anyhow ingame it'll be the same as most others.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 13-02-2012, 02:02:50
After seeing this I was thinking, how many vehicles are there left/can be made for the mapped area's?
For Goodwood: Tiger B with Porsche turret. Other than that: Jagdpanzer IV with the 75mm L48. Priest, Sexton and the list goes on and on.  ;D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: azreal on 13-02-2012, 04:02:06
After seeing this I was thinking, how many vehicles are there left/can be made for the mapped area's?, I know there are some but I don't expect to see those (Excamples: Humber Armored Car, Cruiser Mk VIII Challenger A30 of which I am not very sure if it was used in the mapped area's of normandy) but other said I didn't expect this one either.

we could make FH2 just about Normandy and still not be done.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Mazz on 13-02-2012, 07:02:19
Great reproduction of a terrible looking vehicle.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 13-02-2012, 08:02:54
Great reproduction of a terrible looking vehicle.

Stop it with your negatives waves!

Its beautiful :3
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: DLFReporter on 13-02-2012, 08:02:57
That is a damn nice variant.
The one you see there its a variant made with Hotchkiss tank with a Pak 40 gun...however I would love if it was equipped with an mg42 or mg34. Often crews would include it in their vehicles.
...

Oh please not, then we'd get doopie passengers giving away your position with MG spam. ^^
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Tankbuster on 13-02-2012, 10:02:35
Hurray For the Geschutzwagen!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 11:02:56
Sure it wont be fast


but you will looooooove the small tiny size of this awesome thing
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Krätzer on 13-02-2012, 12:02:15
The Tanks at Ramelle used in the Movie are Marder III H and M  basing on Panzer 38t Chassi  :P
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 13:02:16
The Tanks at Ramelle used in the Movie are Marder III H and M  basing on Panzer 38t Chassi  :P
well one of the ingame tanks is actually a swedish self propelled gun
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Master_of_Pain_25 on 13-02-2012, 13:02:58
The Tanks at Ramelle used in the Movie are Marder III H and M  basing on Panzer 38t Chassi  :P

They are a Marder III M and a swedish Sav M/43, a swedish self propelled gun.
http://data3.primeportal.net/artillery/tim_roberts/sav_m43_105mm/images/sav_m43_105mm_19_of_37.jpg
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 13-02-2012, 13:02:15
At least that vehicle has a licensed 38t-chassis. So you can at least imagine that its supposed to be a Marder or Hetzer (which wasn´t used in Normandy). That´s better than those stupid mock-up Tigers. I think it´s always a pity when fake tanks are used in WW2 movies. Why can´t they just lend a tank from a museum (Bovington, Münster etc. have a running Tiger or Panzer IV). I mean Steven Spielberg directed the movie so there should have been enough money available to compensate for the temporarily loss of the vehicles. Also it´s the best form for advertising and attracting new visitors.

Sure those are old Tanks, but is there really something that could totally break and not being fixed? saving Private Ryan was partly mad in Ireland so the transport should have also been possible. But obviously money was more important than making an authentic movie. The broad audience wouldn´t get the difference I assume.

If I just had some million dollars. I would rebuild all lost WW2 tanks :).
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 13:02:43
because these tanks get movie effects on them

the blowing off the track of the tiger in the movie? during filming the track WAS blowed off

Do you want that Tiger 131 gets his super rare track BLOWN off?

I THINK NOT
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 13-02-2012, 13:02:21
Then you don´t have to blow up the tracks. Even in 1998, when SPR was made there were adequate computer effects available. I would prefer this combination (Real tank, fake explosion) over this fake tin can and a real explosion.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Eat Uranium on 13-02-2012, 13:02:13
I'm not entirely sure the Bovington Tiger was running yet when SPR was made.  Anyhow, like theta says, it is a practically one off artefact - not the sort of thing you want to be using theatrical pyrotechnics on.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-02-2012, 14:02:39
Couldn't you just cgi them these days? I think the japanese tanks int he pacific might ahve been cgi.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: djinn on 13-02-2012, 14:02:05
What's the big deal. It was an excellent replica and it looked solid. You wouldn't have got them looking that solid in 1998 in pure CGI.

Look at CGI-fests like tranformers and Clash of the titans. see how thing their CGI look and that's 2009 and such.

Only hardcore geeks will freeze frames and totally consider something fake for a minor detail like tracks.

I personall prefered the fact that it was real.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 14:02:25
Djin

compare this
(http://www.9thsspanzer.com/Images/Tiger/SPRTiger-001.jpg)


To THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0rtBdwTwDw&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdr6ekO9oU&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 13-02-2012, 14:02:57
(http://www.9thsspanzer.com/Images/Tiger/SPRTiger-001.jpg)
(http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/TIGER-1%20PICS/tiger_ss_spzabt101.jpg)

Tracks and "wheels", size, the whole hull, the vision slit, the place of the turret (in SPR its to far to the front) and the general shape of the hull are different. I watched the movie first when i was 10 and I could tell the thing wasn´t real. You don´t need to freeze the frame to spot that.  :-X
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 14:02:43
Check how those russians did it in there spare time. THAT is a proper tiger Replica

It is complete even up to the armour thickness
And there only goal is to find a proper gasoline engine to match the sound of the maybach
Currently they use a 300 HP Gasoline engine from a MT-LB
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 13-02-2012, 15:02:33
I did! Aweome work and definately the best replica I´ve ever seen.

I think I lead us all off-topic, sorry for that.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 15:02:00
I did! Aweome work and definately the best replica I´ve ever seen.

I think I lead us all off-topic, sorry for that.
well a bit, but if those russians can make a perfect looking replica like that in there spare time, Then Hollywood magnets with big budgets can do that aswel. No need to take tiger 131 and give her a taste of pyrotechnics :)
Its best if she remains put in bovington sitting safely inside a climate controlled hangar
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Paythoss on 13-02-2012, 16:02:16
That Tiger I is a little inaccurate ... looks to be a middle version , they was without that smoke charges on sides of turret ...
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 16:02:39
That Tiger I is a little inaccurate ... looks to be a middle version , they was without that smoke charges on sides of turret ...
It is to represent a middle model yes one that saw combat around the time of kursk

It still wassent however fully finished.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Krätzer on 13-02-2012, 16:02:23
You Noobs this swedish bullshit Tank should simulate an Marder III H.
Dumme Gluckscheißer ihr

And there is non of both ingame
(http://www.missing-lynx.com/images/marderiimlr_1.jpg)

This here also was a Swedish crap tank but they converted him to something similiar Marder III H

(http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/features/bob/BOB_049.jpg)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Harmonikater on 13-02-2012, 16:02:29
oh god the tigers in SPR are awful. Apart from the optics, even someone who doesn't have any clue about tanks or history or military tactics, would wonder why Tom hanks could just pop his smg into the viewing port or why the crew wouldnt lock the hatch on top of of turret...
its not like researching that would have been expensive or taken much time...

quite contrary to FH2 thank god

love the marder, cant wait to ambush some unsuspecting shermans!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 13-02-2012, 17:02:08
a question: will the marder I only be seen on operation goodwood? it pretty much sounds rather un-fh2devteam-like to create whole vehicles for just one map ;)

and that north african pic really reminded me of the arma 2 ww2 mod in terms of excellent terrain and lighting, do we know this map already?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Thorondor123 on 13-02-2012, 17:02:35
a question: will the marder I only be seen on operation goodwood? it pretty much sounds rather un-fh2devteam-like to create whole vehicles for just one map ;)

Sahariana, Crusader AA, Deacon... ;)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 13-02-2012, 17:02:45
I believe theres a chance to see it appear on Lebisey too since the germans fighting there had them, I believe. But I could be horribly wrong too.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-02-2012, 17:02:41
Would have to replace the StuG on lebisey, but it's a lot weaker than that, so it would screw with balance. Also, the StuGIII is like super fun on Lebisey.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 18:02:07
I believe theres a chance to see it appear on Lebisey too since the germans fighting there had them, I believe. But I could be horribly wrong too.
Correct. It was used in those area's.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Torenico on 13-02-2012, 20:02:27
So Goodwood is getting a bit more Historically Accurate, now we just need French and Czech Rifles for the Germans, maybe a Hotchkiss H-39 and, Panzer I (?)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Paythoss on 13-02-2012, 20:02:12
And some nice ramming  ;D
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/218518-1/dhm1026)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 21:02:33
So Goodwood is getting a bit more Historically Accurate, now we just need French and Czech Rifles for the Germans, maybe a Hotchkiss H-39 and, Panzer I (?)
Yeah VZ 24 and Gewehr 24's where used alot by 21st panzer

These where also used alot by SS units so its not a "one map model"
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 13-02-2012, 21:02:52
lol, the VZ 24 is the Gewehr 24(t) right? ;)
also, who's going to notice, it'll only be a visual feast for the guys who can actually spot the difference between the G24(t) and the Kar98K (being as I recall from Wikipedia, yup I didn't knew the rifle before your post:p, a straight bolt, a different kind of sling, extended wooden handguard and markings, possibly a new bayonet as well!)

allright, I'd sign for it, but still...:p
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Rustysteel on 13-02-2012, 21:02:16
Good update, Really like the look of that Marder, Germans always have the best paint jobs.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: TASSER on 13-02-2012, 22:02:08
The North Africa map looks amazing! I can't wait to scope it out from the MG turret, on top of the turret, on top of my M3 Lee  ;D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 13-02-2012, 22:02:09
lol, the VZ 24 is the Gewehr 24(t) right? ;)

Yes and no

The Gewehr 24 where built between 1940 and 1942(500 000 made)
The diffrence between the VZ 24 is that most G24(t) had a bent bolt(or simply K98 bolts), not straight ones. The G24 also had no markings of Brno factory and there was no imperial cresent on the bolt handle
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 14-02-2012, 04:02:27
Oh please not, then we'd get doopie passengers giving away your position with MG spam. ^^

Its better than the empty seat doing nothing useful  ;D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: DLFReporter on 14-02-2012, 08:02:02
Its better than the empty seat doing nothing useful  ;D

We could nudge the devs to implement a spotterposition from time to time ;)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-02-2012, 09:02:09
Its better than the empty seat doing nothing useful  ;D

We could nudge the devs to implement a spotterposition from time to time ;)
but give the allies some aswel then not only the STUG and germans

The stuart RECCE could benefit alot from a spotter position, as this was its origenal role
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Raziel on 14-02-2012, 10:02:32
Awesome update as always! Loved the Marder. Looks really stealthy with those angled side armor.
My eyes went  :o when I saw that Africa map...pity its only a test map...or is it?!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: RAnDOOm on 14-02-2012, 13:02:58
Cool stuff!   8)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 14-02-2012, 14:02:17
Great reproduction of a terrible looking vehicle.

She's not the prettiest show in town, eh ? I guess that what comes from converting captured chassis and bolting crew compartments on top. Anyway, it always amazes me how anything like a tank can be considered in aesthetic terms  ;).

You Noobs this swedish bullshit Tank should simulate an Marder III H.
Dumme Gluckscheißer ihr

And there is non of both ingame
(http://www.missing-lynx.com/images/marderiimlr_1.jpg)

Hey ! Almost 12 tonnes of tank aesthetics  ;D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 14-02-2012, 15:02:51
We could nudge the devs to implement a spotterposition from time to time ;)

Nah. The mg is way better  8)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 14-02-2012, 15:02:51
what if we replace that MG42 with a Breda M37 
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 14-02-2012, 16:02:23
what if we replace that MG42 with a Breda M37

Then i dont use it. Disgusting breda as vehicle emplacement? Yuck!!! Mg42, or mg34 all the wa!!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 14-02-2012, 17:02:55
Its better than the empty seat doing nothing useful  ;D

We could nudge the devs to implement a spotterposition from time to time ;)
but give the allies some aswel then not only the STUG and germans

The stuart RECCE could benefit alot from a spotter position, as this was its origenal role

I'd love to see some gameplay changes to scoutcars, so they will be something different than ultra-lighttanks. Do scoutplanes for that matter have the ability to spot for arty?

Oh and Yustax, you should really quit with this anti-italian attitude of yours :P
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: TASSER on 14-02-2012, 17:02:08
I strongly endorse the idea for spotter positions in scout cars and recon vehicles such as the Stuart Recce. It would make them much more versatile vehicles (alliteration FTW) and encourage team communication.

And yes Wakain, spotter planes as well as the Beaufighter have artillery spotting positions in the second seat. It's a lot of fun to call in arty fire from the sky  ;)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 14-02-2012, 20:02:35
nice, sure will try it out some time soon :)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 03:02:46
Oh and Yustax, you should really quit with this anti-italian attitude of yours :P

It isnt hate mate. Its effectiviness. Would you rather have an mg with 20 round clips? Or a belt of 200 rounds?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: VonMudra on 15-02-2012, 03:02:03
Oh and Yustax, you should really quit with this anti-italian attitude of yours :P

It isnt hate mate. Its effectiviness. Would you rather have an mg with 20 round clips? Or a belt of 200 rounds?

If I'm in a tank, I'd rather have a clip than a long hanging belt that gets tangled in shit.  Thus why most tanks, including german, use magazines on their MGs.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 03:02:57
If I'm in a tank, I'd rather have a clip than a long hanging belt that gets tangled in shit.  Thus why most tanks, including german, use magazines on their MGs.

Obviously is gonna be in a box, but the way of loading is called "Belt fed" so I call it belt
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: VonMudra on 15-02-2012, 05:02:54
If I'm in a tank, I'd rather have a clip than a long hanging belt that gets tangled in shit.  Thus why most tanks, including german, use magazines on their MGs.

Obviously is gonna be in a box, but the way of loading is called "Belt fed" so I call it belt

Not a box.  A magazine.  Only the americans and some russian tanks have MGs that can have the box hanging off the side of the gun.  German MGs didn't have that feature, so they used 50 round drum mags.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 05:02:08
In general mate. Im not talking about history. I know that german vehicles used 50 to 75 round mag and that they didnt use mounted boxes.

Still, better those than a Breda with 20 rounds.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-02-2012, 09:02:05
considering the fact that the MG34 rapidly overheated and required a constant change of barrels. so you need a bunch of spare barrels wich also take place...

and the rapid rate of fire ment also a constant change of magazines...And those mags take in more place then the italian 20 round breda stripper clips. Not to mention that these can also refilled with bullets quite fast.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 15:02:38
considering the fact that the MG34 rapidly overheated and required a constant change of barrels. so you need a bunch of spare barrels wich also take place...

and the rapid rate of fire ment also a constant change of magazines...And those mags take in more place then the italian 20 round breda stripper clips. Not to mention that these can also refilled with bullets quite fast.

Theta, I dont care for historical lessons, or how effective the weapon is. But for how many rounds I have on the mg if it is vehicle mounted. I know all of these details, I know that the MG34 overheated quickly because of the high rate of fire.

I just want an MG42 on that Hotchkiss variant, because I have two hundred rounds. I know the belt is going to wrap against everything or whatever, but in game that doesnt happens.

Its not because I hate italian weapons or anything, but because I wanna have 200 rounds.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-02-2012, 15:02:34
And this defines a machinegun? On how many rounds he has?

Then why dont you prefer the Vickers wich had 250 round belts?Or if we have to stay german=an MG08?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 15:02:07
And this defines a machinegun? On how many rounds he has?

Then why dont you prefer the Vickers wich had 250 round belts?Or if we have to stay german=an MG08?

Maybe because the Vickers arent mounted on german vehicles? And an MG08 way too old for ww2, I want an mg42 or mg34 mounted on that variant.

That's it  :P
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 15-02-2012, 15:02:03
whoa guys, I just intended a little pun ;)

though I appreciate your point of view Yustax, I personaly find the Breda the more interesting option, though perhaps I'm a bit less gameplay focused in that regard.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Eat Uranium on 15-02-2012, 15:02:17
They stopped mounting MG08 and MG08/15 on planes long before WW2.  Perhaps you are thinking of the MG15?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 15:02:51
They stopped mounting MG08 and MG08/15 on planes long before WW2.  Perhaps you are thinking of the MG15?

Yes, I corrected the mistake. Thanks anyway.

@Wakain: Im more gameplay focused than anything else. I take effectiviness rather than novelty use. A Panther before a PZ4, a PZ4 before an italian tank and so on.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-02-2012, 15:02:39
You follow the mainstream trend, and when i blew your panther apart with a Stuart with APC shells, you came to the forums yelling for nerfs

Issent that effective usage of something?


Oh well
im gonna stop now.

No mather what haters say, French marder is best marder.

Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 15-02-2012, 16:02:05
Lol @ theta rage. I dont want vehicle nerfs fine how they are. I look for gameplay and effectiviness wise. . Must be the reason why everyone run to the king tiger when it spawns.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-02-2012, 16:02:22
Lol @ theta rage. I dont want vehicle nerfs fine how they are. I look for gameplay and effectiviness wise. . Must be the reason why everyone run to the king tiger when it spawns.
mate i dont think i am the one raging, but let us call it a day  ;)

all i can say is=you fell it, you fell for it all!


To conclude our discussion=French marder is best marder!
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Harmonikater on 15-02-2012, 17:02:49
Oh well
im gonna stop now.

.....
I don't think that'll ever happen :P
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: VonMudra on 15-02-2012, 19:02:38
And this defines a machinegun? On how many rounds he has?

Then why dont you prefer the Vickers wich had 250 round belts?Or if we have to stay german=an MG08?

Maybe because the Vickers arent mounted on german vehicles? And an MG08 way too old for ww2, I want an mg42 or mg34 mounted on that variant.

That's it  :P

MG08's continued to be used by the Germans in static defenses in Italy/France/Germany, plus for airfield defense and garrison units.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x241/Alanp_photo/WWII/GermanySSinWarsawcombatmachinegun.jpg)

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/796/mg0815n.jpg)

(http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/maxim-mg08_6.jpg)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 15-02-2012, 19:02:00
The phrase "Nullachtfuffzehn (08/15 as its spoken)" also relates to this MG. Today it means: "Nothing special", or even "Something that´s not really made well". It´s estimated (while the phrase surely got its origin in WW1) that the latter meaning of this phrase was created in WW2 when some old 08/15 were used and the crews obviously didn´t like them.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Kelmola on 15-02-2012, 21:02:28
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The MG08 still was a Maxim in all but name and calibre only, meaning it was as reliable as anything, and unless you really needed that 1200 rpm ROF, would do its job well enough while defending a fixed position. Sure, it wasn't nearly as mobile as MG34 and MG42, and the water-cooling did limit the ROF somewhat more than a barrel switch would, but still, not a bad piece of hardware. Nothing special, yes. But not well made? Hardly.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 15-02-2012, 22:02:59
speaking of maxim's, I'm really looking forward to how fh2 will feature the maxim, you know, with the wheels and stuff. I'm thinking of something like the current moveable AT-guns here instead of the pick-up and drop method used traditionally, giving the Soviets more spice in this regard (though this would severly hamper the mobility of Russian hmg support, but didn't it always lag behind a bit? except for deployed defensive positions I mean).

as I said, just looking forward :)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Butcher on 15-02-2012, 23:02:07
My guess is that the russian spawnable MG will be the (already announced) DP on most/all maps. Your idea of a movable Maxim is a good one. However if it ever gets introduced this way in FH2 the speed needs to be higher than that of the AT-guns without looking ridicolous (imagine a russian running with that thing sitting/lying behind it). And of course we have the frustrating behaviour of AT-guns atm, moving around on steep and bumpy terrain. I think that´s even worse for your mgs, because you have to hit smaller targets than with the AT-guns. So I think a static lafette version of the Maxim is more likely to appear.

As for the 08/15 thing: The phrase does describe something as "standart" (first standart MG of the army) however it also has a negative connotation nonetheless which results from the equipment of troops with those old MGs in WW2.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Yustax on 16-02-2012, 01:02:39
MG08's continued to be used by the Germans in static defenses in Italy/France/Germany, plus for airfield defense and garrison units.

I know that, but they werent mounted on vehicles. The main german vehicle mg was the MG34. Followed by field modifications MG42.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 16-02-2012, 02:02:45
MIRAGE TANK!


(http://images.wikia.com/cnc/images/e/e4/MirageTankRA2.jpg)

I find trees lovely!
Nobody here but us trees!
Mean green and unseen!
Now you see me, soon you wont.
AHA!SNEAK attack!


Since the mirage tank changes to a tree
Foliage camo for STUG?
hahaha if only
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: General_Henry on 16-02-2012, 04:02:06
MIRAGE TANK!


(http://images.wikia.com/cnc/images/e/e4/MirageTankRA2.jpg)

I find trees lovely!
Nobody here but us trees!
Mean green and unseen!
Now you see me, soon you wont.
AHA!SNEAK attack!


Since the mirage tank changes to a tree
Foliage camo for STUG?
hahaha if only

Now we need "forgotten hope: Red Alert 2"

I'll drive my terror drone and eat all the vehicles...
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Kev4000 on 16-02-2012, 04:02:37
Terror drone?
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/images/vehicles/Goliath/big.jpg)
Watch out for ze bumps!
If only it were possible to code in BF2 :'(
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Torenico on 16-02-2012, 06:02:11
Que? Gladiators not possible in BF2?

They cant work like TV Guided Missiles? D:
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Tankbuster on 16-02-2012, 07:02:40
Eh, weren't they called Goliaths?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: General_Henry on 16-02-2012, 07:02:36
terror drones bring bad news to fans! noooo my Goliath....
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Torenico on 16-02-2012, 08:02:18
Eh, weren't they called Goliaths?

Oh sorry i meant Goliath.

Goliath-Gladiator, meh.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 16-02-2012, 14:02:32
My guess is that the russian spawnable MG will be the (already announced) DP on most/all maps. Your idea of a movable Maxim is a good one. However if it ever gets introduced this way in FH2 the speed needs to be higher than that of the AT-guns without looking ridicolous (imagine a russian running with that thing sitting/lying behind it). And of course we have the frustrating behaviour of AT-guns atm, moving around on steep and bumpy terrain. I think that´s even worse for your mgs, because you have to hit smaller targets than with the AT-guns. So I think a static lafette version of the Maxim is more likely to appear.

As for the 08/15 thing: The phrase does describe something as "standart" (first standart MG of the army) however it also has a negative connotation nonetheless which results from the equipment of troops with those old MGs in WW2.

Yeah I'm affraid it will be sort of drag and drop like we have now, still I think the maxim has great potential though it will be a bit difficult to use and potentially frustrating :P
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Musti on 16-02-2012, 18:02:41
Can't you actually combine those? Like deployable + movable at the same time?
I mean M1919's on tripods,mortars etc. pretty much act like static guns, just give them an ability to move around.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: VonMudra on 16-02-2012, 18:02:12
I've often wondered if it can be done the same way the lafette already can be rotated from left to right, if it can also be moved backwards and forwards under the same system, with it remaining glued to the ground....
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Steel_Lion_FIN on 16-02-2012, 21:02:07
I actually got a brainwave:

Maybe it doesn't have to be a lot faster than an AT-gun if you can pick it up? While deployed, it acts like an anti-tank gun and vickers mg crossover, and you could pick it up like a vickers. Unless the old enemy "engine limitations" kicks in, I see this as a plausible solution.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Godall on 19-02-2012, 21:02:20
Will be news on this week?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Potilas on 19-02-2012, 21:02:39
I want news update :(
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Oberst on 19-02-2012, 21:02:09
3...2...1... Where is the dreamcrusher?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 19-02-2012, 21:02:59
(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/4633/lightninge.jpg)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: DaWorg! on 19-02-2012, 21:02:12
 :'(
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Godall on 19-02-2012, 22:02:30
(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/4633/lightninge.jpg)
Probably today there are no news from testings of new cards?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 19-02-2012, 22:02:12
We test new maps each sunday, but today is the first time the server was visible in a while. My guess is that either azreal was busy r there was nothing new to report.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Alakazou on 19-02-2012, 22:02:37
or he want to be the new dreamcrusher.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Darman on 26-02-2012, 18:02:59
Any update today?
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Ts4EVER on 26-02-2012, 18:02:31
Today's update will contain even more nothing.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 26-02-2012, 18:02:37
Today's update will contain even more nothing.
isn't that a contradiction in terms?

to get back on that maxim/lafette/vickers/AT gun discussion: is today's lafette actually a static vehicle you can pick up and drop? for in that case there are still possibilities with the maxim (could a dev possibly share some light on how this will be implemented?)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: azreal on 26-02-2012, 19:02:47
I will try to get the news done today. I'm having problems with Photoshop so it'll probably be an hour late.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Potilas on 26-02-2012, 19:02:40
Great! You save my day SIR! :D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-02-2012, 19:02:02
Ratte

no doubt
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: TuscanGangster on 26-02-2012, 19:02:14
USSR stuff please! :D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: ww2fighter20 on 26-02-2012, 19:02:46
Ratte

no doubt

No first the Maus, then the Ratte :P
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: evhgear on 26-02-2012, 20:02:34
The Maus is too mainstream, Polish cavalry would be better.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Tuco on 26-02-2012, 20:02:04
Ratte

no doubt
Not a doubt in my mind, nor should there be.
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-02-2012, 20:02:25
Ratte

no doubt

No first the Maus, then the Ratte :P
But after maus we should get E100 and then ratte  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: Wakain on 26-02-2012, 20:02:40
The Maus is too mainstream, Polish cavalry would be better.

nah, who needs cavalry when you can get Polish armored trains! ;)
Title: Re: Mean, Green, and Unseen: Forgotten Hope 2 Update
Post by: evhgear on 26-02-2012, 20:02:48
USSR stuff please! :D
(http://theamazingwhitebread.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bear-cavalry_fin_small.jpg)

Russian Bear Cavalry FTW