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Forgotten Hope 2 => Community Polls => Topic started by: hankypanky on 10-08-2010, 14:08:30
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Which do you prefer and why?
I prefer bolt action over everything. I'm the guy who would play US on luttch and use the M1917 Enfield. I never pick the G43 over the k98 anymore, I just like the accurate feel of the bolt action rifles. I'm totally shitty with any sub machine gun! I can't stand the lack of firepower and how you are forced to prone spam.
EDIT: I have no idea how to make a poll :( Can someone help me out?
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tbh. I like them all. Only weapon I cannot hit with is G43.
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Despite almost two years of addiction, I'm a lousy shot over long distances, especially against moving targets. Full auto allows me to compensate by "walking" the fire into the target. On short distances, I have bad reflexes and bad aim, so the ability to just pump the entire room/corridor/trench full of lead without the need to aim is essential. Failing that, I will use area effect weapons such riflenades, hand grenades, and PIAT, or in close quarters, the melee weapon.
However, on medium ranges the bolt action is the king. Bolt-action rifles generally have better sights than the semi-auto rifles, and are 1s1k (unlike M1 carbine and StG44).
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The bolt action rifles (specifically the carcanos and the SMLE) have the best iron sights. They also make me more accurate still, because I know there is no second shot ready and waiting.
Having said that, at heart, I'm a machinegunner (Bren, M1919A4 <3).
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I have no preference really, although IMHO the current bold rifles fire a bit too fast, making the semi vs bolt advantage marginal ...
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i prefer bolt action
semi auto is nice but all semi auto have awful iron sights, making them more useful in shit- medium range encounters while the bolt action (k98h) shines on medium to long range.
if the sights would be different i'd prefer semi.
G43 is ok'isch and garand too most of the times but again i cant handle the m1carbine.
as for full auto
MGs are nice, same with Brean, FG42, but i cant handle the B.A.R or any submachine or even the STG44. usually i get in 1 hit and then die :(
in the end i am very good at making 1 good shot in very sort aiming time, so i prefer the high power,high accuracy bolt action rifles.
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I love STG 44 and Tommy gun though I do like Garand and No.4 as well. I really have no preference. On Africa maps with where CQB is possible its Tommy, in Normandy as Brit it's No.4 and as American its Garand. I always take STG 44 if there is one close up.
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I have no preference really, although IMHO the current bold rifles fire a bit too fast, making the semi vs bolt advantage marginal ...
Main advantage is it stays in ironsights, so in house clearing or short range they're much better. Their advantage isn't much if any at long range, as intended.
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i like the M1 Garand and the G43
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I have no preference really, although IMHO the current bold rifles fire a bit too fast, making the semi vs bolt advantage marginal ...
Main advantage is it stays in ironsights, so in house clearing or short range they're much better. Their advantage isn't much if any at long range, as intended.
And becuse of that we don't really need the amount of G43s we have right now...
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Despite almost two years of addiction, I'm a lousy shot over long distances, especially against moving targets. Full auto allows me to compensate by "walking" the fire into the target. On short distances, I have bad reflexes and bad aim, so the ability to just pump the entire room/corridor/trench full of lead without the need to aim is essential. Failing that, I will use area effect weapons such riflenades, hand grenades, and PIAT, or in close quarters, the melee weapon.
However, on medium ranges the bolt action is the king. Bolt-action rifles generally have better sights than the semi-auto rifles, and are 1s1k (unlike M1 carbine and StG44).
Kelmola stole my words.
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Semi-auto: A good mix of accuracy from a rifle and the spray-n-pray of a machinegun.
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They tend to have better aiming apparatus, fire at ranges greater than semis and autos, fire decisively and end with a satisfying cricket-cricket after the kill... if there is a kill. Screw speed of fire, anyone firing the M1 faster than a bolt-action is usually desperate or facinig a dolfin diver
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Bolt action because they have better range and accuracy!
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You guys do realize that the semi-autos are just as long ranged and accurate as the bolt action, right? What makes the bolt action 'feel' more accurate is the subconcious fact that you gotta reload after each shot, and duly you take more time setting up the shot.
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Overall I prefer bolt action, I have better luck hitting targets at long and medium range with a bolt for some reason. But it depends on the situation, I always feel kind of vulnerable if I have to clear any buildings with only a bold action.
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I personally prefer semi automatic over bolt action because you're not instantly screwed if you miss in close range combat. My favorite rifle would be the M1 Carbine, because I like the thing and it has the qualities of a rifle and submachinegun in one. Same for StG44.
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I love all, because I try to be polyvalent and I love to play all weapons. But I have some difficulty with the g43, but the m1 is great :)
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Depends on ping.
<100 Any gun will do
100-200 Full Auto
200+ only Piats
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I have no preference really, although IMHO the current bold rifles fire a bit too fast, making the semi vs bolt advantage marginal ...
Main advantage is it stays in ironsights, so in house clearing or short range they're much better. Their advantage isn't much if any at long range, as intended.
hehe, only noticed it now that you say it :P
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Depends on target range, map type and wether i can spawn with the kit.
You guys do realize that the semi-autos are just as long ranged and accurate as the bolt action, right? What makes the bolt action 'feel' more accurate is the subconcious fact that you gotta reload after each shot, and duly you take more time setting up the shot.
^^this
It also depends on how I'm doing. I try assault kit first, and if it seems that I'm good with it, I keep it. Sten FTW! BUT when it comes to rifle-caliber weapons, I prefer select-fire and bolt-action. Can't hit shit with BAR, but Bren and FG42.. oh boy. If i have to choose between G43 and the Garand, I'll choose the Garand. For some reason I can't hit anything with G43.
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Im also alittle surprised why so many like the bolt action type. I like it aswell compared to all full automatic weapons, but the semi automatic is my favorite. G 43 is my favorite, somehow i hit easiest with that. 2nd is Garand, just because semi automatic is alot more practical than bolt action in all cases imo. I dont know why i dont like Carbine, ive gotten the impression its very weak, and i just always choose garand instead and have kinda forgotten it. Talking about sights i think i rather dislike the SMLE sights, but i think ive learned to use all the sights relativly well.
Twice ive looted myself a STG, that was an awesome weapon which perhaps could be my favorite. Where do you get the STG , its a pickup kit somewhere ?
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voted bolt-action. The reason: with bolt-action there isnt a quick reload which compells you to aim carefully because if you miss the first shot, your dead or you lose the target. With semi automatic I'm not compelled to aim as carefully and will waste an entire clip without hitting anything.
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The StG44 is very rare and pickup only atm. Might change in the future though ;)
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The StG44 is very rare and pickup only atm. Might change in the future though
Only when the Eastern Front comes along. The Ardennes if your lucky.
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The StG44 is very rare and pickup only atm. Might change in the future though
Only when the Eastern Front comes along. The Ardennes if your lucky.
In the Ardennes it was used in big numbers. You couldn't throw a dead fish in Belgium without hitting some dude with an StG44.
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bolt action
Nothing feels as great when you fire a Mauser, lee enfield or an carcano
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Undecided between bolt-action and semi-auto. Depends which weapons. Italian: Carcano
Brits: Sten, SMLE, No.4
US: M1 Carbine
German: K98 Stg44
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ty mate I tried searching and found nothing :(
I was looking into the semi/bolt action accuracy, and I do realize that they are the same. But the better sights on the bolt action rifles give it a feeling of having more accuracy.
When it comes to sub-machine guns I feel vulnerable tbh. It has limited range, and the dolphin diving makes me feel cheap.
I'm good/average with every weapon in the game, but the G43 is horrible with me! I can't hit anything with that thing lol.
The BAR is a real killer! It's like a machine gun and rifle in one bundle! I like all the MGs :D
I support the K98>G43 movement because I'm shit with the G43 8)
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On the subject of the Stg 44, does anybody think the recoil of the gun in semi auto is a bit excessive? I mean, I seem to have greater success using it like a SMG at medium distances and firing in short bursts rather than semi.
I was just thinking that if the Bulge maps appear in which the Germans are likely to be equipped with far more STG's than they are now that they might be at a real disadvantage on some maps because of the semi auto performance of the gun next to the Garand. Or maybe I just suck with it ;D
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On the subject of the Stg 44, does anybody think the recoil of the gun in semi auto is a bit excessive? I mean, I seem to have greater success using it like a SMG at medium distances and firing in short bursts rather than semi.
I was just thinking that if the Bulge maps appear in which the Germans are likely to be equipped with far more STG's than they are now that they might be at a real disadvantage on some maps because of the semi auto performance of the gun next to the Garand. Or maybe I just suck with it ;D
no no it's not just you tbh. I'm sure the devs will tweak it before introducing it as a spawnable weapon. Right now most players would prefer their rifles to the STG44.
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Bolt action for these long range shots, the fact you have to re-bolt i have to make the one shot hit the mark
but i do favor G43 on Lüttich over the bolt and Garand (Garand works best on Semi-/Static targets)
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tbh. I like them all. Only weapon I cannot hit with is G43.
Same here.
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Semi-automatic rifles are pretty much better in every way. Same accuracy, faster to reload and usable at any range. Also able to provide minor suppression with their decent rate of fire.
Though I like bolt-action rifles from a gameplay aspect, as it forces you to use bayonets and knives in close quarters.
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My favorite weapon would be either STG44 or G43, seeing as they are both good at close-mid range combat.
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I choose Bolt Action. You got have big cojones to do a house/bunker clearing with a K98. I like it.
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I choose Bolt Action. You got have big cojones to do a house/bunker clearing with a No. 4. I like it.
Fixed it for you. Faster ROF and twice the ammo.
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Nothing feels better than supressing a group of enemies with an automatic weapon. ;D
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Bolt action is king.
No 4 makes me feel like I really knock over people on the other end of the map physically :)
Semi-autos are great too. I don't care whether it is G43 or Garand, although Garand feels a little heavier and seems therefore a little more accurate. I usually have 1s1k with Garand too, especially on PdH.
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9/10 times I'm surprised how well I can shoot with the Garand, especially on PdH. I'm Sooting and going in my head "Ok I'll shoot I'm gonna miss him 100% but I'm gonna shoot" and 9/10 times I hit the target, then I'm happy as a horse 8)
I just love the Semi autos cause they are the Jack-of-all-trades.
And with that statement I don't minimize the effectivenes and awesomeness of the Bolts. Love beating a guy with an MP40, with a No.4 or SMLE in CQB. ;D
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G43 and StG44, why ?, because they are cool.
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No.4 and other bolt action rifels are my favourite too. In my hands they are more effective then semi auto rifles. I use the MPs in citymaps most of the time. I very rarely use MG34/42 and Bren but very often the BAR (because I don't like the semi autos).
IMO the deviation of the M1 and G43 after the shot should be reduced. It is so ineffective to use their sights because it always hides the target after shooting and it takes time to get back to it. Bolt actions are back at the target when the reload is over and you can observe the target while reloading. For me this leads to faster aimed fire with the bolts.
I am no expert but I think that IRL the semiauto rifles had no real disadvantage against the bolt actions. IMO they should be more effective in FH2 too.
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I don't care whether it is G43 or Garand, although Garand feels a little heavier and seems therefore a little more accurate. I usually have 1s1k with Garand too, especially on PdH.
thats because on PdH german troops are second-line and ost-truppen.
o maps like phl, you fight elite paratroopers that have of course more health and you need 2 shots.
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I don't care whether it is G43 or Garand, although Garand feels a little heavier and seems therefore a little more accurate. I usually have 1s1k with Garand too, especially on PdH.
thats because on PdH german troops are second-line and ost-truppen.
o maps like phl, you fight elite paratroopers that have of course more health and you need 2 shots.
Man, the amount of bullshit in this post is hysterical.
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thats because on PdH german troops are second-line and ost-truppen.
o maps like phl, you fight elite paratroopers that have of course more health and you need 2 shots.
Do different troops realy have different amounts of health?
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somehow i couldnt resist on pulling this off.
no of course not, every one has the same health.
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thats because on PdH german troops are second-line and ost-truppen.
o maps like phl, you fight elite paratroopers that have of course more health and you need 2 shots.
Do different troops realy have different amounts of health?
FH2 wouldn't pull a Medal of Honor Airborne, unless it included a big flak tower, which I would love to assault.
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ah, happy is browsing isnichwahr too ;D
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I don't care whether it is G43 or Garand, although Garand feels a little heavier and seems therefore a little more accurate. I usually have 1s1k with Garand too, especially on PdH.
thats because on PdH german troops are second-line and ost-truppen.
o maps like phl, you fight elite paratroopers that have of course more health and you need 2 shots.
Ah, so when we get to do the Eastfront, the Ruskies will have an easy time on all maps?
I don't know, but on PdH I can spot Gerries more easily than on PHL. I guess it is the flatbush.
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that's because in PHL the Germans shoot from about 100m further away.
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Bolt actions are cooler, but I hit more stuff with semi-automatics, and also when i get some rage i can fire a semi in the air angriliy more effectivly.
so semi-cartermatics for me
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always a semi-automatic like Garand, simple, you just have much more flexibility, plus it got the awesome bayonet and rifle grenades. Bayonets are always nice if you somehow find yourself out of ammo.
but for the German G43 there are no bayonets/rifle grenades which is really... bad. When you used up your ammo/grenades you're pretty much screwed. I'll pick a K98 and charge with my bayonet.
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I like to run out of ammo. Then an adventurous quest starts to sneak around finding the best weapon to loot :)
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I voted Bolt action,
its much more fun if you fire a bullet with "someones name on it". 1 shot, 1 kill.
another question aside: we were discussing the over abundance of g43s in this game - what is with the nade launcher on bolt action rifles? it seems half the army has the thing right now :P
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I voted Bolt action,
its much more fun if you fire a bullet with "someones name on it". 1 shot, 1 kill.
another question aside: we were discussing the over abundance of g43s in this game - what is with the nade launcher on bolt action rifles? it seems half the army has the thing right now :P
You talking about the Germans? Intresting... Were nade launchers assigned to every Rifleman?
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what is with the nade launcher on bolt action rifles? it seems half the army has the thing right now :P
I was going to make a topic about that. They seem far too common.
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I voted Bolt action,
its much more fun if you fire a bullet with "someones name on it". 1 shot, 1 kill.
another question aside: we were discussing the over abundance of g43s in this game - what is with the nade launcher on bolt action rifles? it seems half the army has the thing right now :P
You talking about the Germans? Intresting... Were nade launchers assigned to every Rifleman?
One man per squad had a riflenade. :P
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But in FH2 everyone has it because of awesomeness ;)
I hope we see a fan map in wich everyone only has rifle grenades
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Also cuz IRL, the rifle nade guy would carry many rifle nades of various type, whereas in FH2, you only carry 2 of one single type (for german anyways) :P
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Also cuz IRL, the rifle nade guy would carry many rifle nades of various type, whereas in FH2, you only carry 2 of one single type (for german anyways) :P
Should the rifle nade kit be made into a pick up kit then (a limited spawn kit would be better, but we probably don't have enough kit slots for that)? Right now, most players use the rifleman kit to net themselves 1-2 sure kills with their rifle grenades THEN use the rifle to actually fight.
If it was limited, they'd probably use it with more caution.
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In early war the assistant squad leader of an American infantry squad carried a Springfield bolt action rifle with riflenades because the attachment for the M1Garand wasn't finished. Some older units, like the 82nd airborne, still used that organisation or remnants of it in Normandy, so if we ever get a map with 82nd airborne I will personally lobby for having a Springfield spawn kit :)
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In early war the assistant squad leader of an American infantry squad carried a Springfield bolt action rifle with riflenades because the attachment for the M1Garand wasn't finished. Some older units, like the 82nd airborne, still used that organisation or remnants of it in Normandy, so if we ever get a map with 82nd airborne I will personally lobby for having a Springfield spawn kit :)
I like the sound of this.
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Also cuz IRL, the rifle nade guy would carry many rifle nades of various type, whereas in FH2, you only carry 2 of one single type (for german anyways) :P
Should the rifle nade kit be made into a pick up kit then (a limited spawn kit would be better, but we probably don't have enough kit slots for that)? Right now, most players use the rifleman kit to net themselves 1-2 sure kills with their rifle grenades THEN use the rifle to actually fight.
If it was limited, they'd probably use it with more caution.
Well, IRL, the riflenade men fought as normal riflemen. Indeed, you could leave the attachment on the rifle and aim/fire normal rounds through it.
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Well, IRL, the riflenade men fought as normal riflemen. Indeed, you could leave the attachment on the rifle and aim/fire normal rounds through it.
You may have misunderstood what I meant. That they fight as normal riflemen isn't a problem, but many players simply use the rifle-grenades first, no matter the situation (like firing them at a single enemy in a field or an empty street), to get themselves some sure kills, instead of using them to blow infantry out of cover at range and do other things that only they can do (which they can't once they've wasted their grenades).
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Eh, and people fire tank HE shells at single people too. It's part of it being a game :P You're given all the tools which are crafted to extreme detail and to behave realistically, its up to the player to do so. Personally, I enjoy playing realistically.
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Indeed, the StG44 requiring two shots to kill pretty much makes it obsolete against rifles beyond 100m.
For 2.3 we've made it cause bleed by one shot (same as the m1 carbine). However if this still presents a problem in Bulge I will of course look deeper into its recoil code for semi auto.
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Semi-automatic rifles. The best of both worlds...Fast action speeds, and accurate. Plus they also have good stopping power, perfect for mid-range/long-range combat which is what I expertise in. Not the mention, quick reloads....
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Tis' a hard decision between semi-auto and bolt action. If i'd had to choose for a challenging situation, it'd definitely be something semi-auto. Though I do feel more comfortable with the bolt action rifles.