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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #75 on: 27-09-2009, 07:09:41 »
This video explains everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oObL3Ajmr2Y

Our country is in Debt that we will probably never be able to pay off, and we are worrying about providing free healthcare? We are spending money we dont even have. We are borrowing money from a communist nation, who is also our number one trade partner. This isnt what our country was founded on at all. I dont see anywhere in the constitution where you are entitled to free healthcare. We should follow the constitution, because it is what this country was created around. Political parties are worrying about their own gains then representing the people. We are also too involved in foreign affairs. We should not hate people because we do not agree with them, we should instead stop listening to the people that use this hate to gain power. Both parties are running this country into the ground. The way the country operates now the so called "majority", 51% of people are represented in government, and the rest are not. We are a long way's away from the foundation of this country. I'm sure if you brought the founding fathers into the present they would be disgusted with what they saw.

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #76 on: 27-09-2009, 10:09:07 »
I agree, the founding fathers would be disgusted that America is the only major nation in the world without government healthcare.

The constitution is over 200 years old. They didn't have a lot of the things we take for granted now - I know it seems simple and impudent, but it's true.

Government provided, free on point of use healthcare is a right, not an unreasonable privilege. It's time you realised that.
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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #77 on: 27-09-2009, 12:09:23 »
It's right up there with the oldest job in this world  ;)
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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #78 on: 27-09-2009, 16:09:58 »
Still rubs me wrong that you say "ignorant Obama haters" but get all huffy if we slam you guys. >:(

Like you say im entitled to my own opinion and I can say it if I want.
Look at the video, those people ARE ignorant since they know nothing of what they are talking about, I did not mean that every american is ignorant. But you seem to take personal offense, so if you ARE one of "those" people, then I would have to say that you too are ignorant.

And as I've noted, both they and the left wing nutso protesters under Bush are equally ignorant.  Obama is not a Muslim and not trying to make the USA a 3rd world nation, Bush is not Hitler and did not try to make the US a police state, get over it.
Did I ever say that there are no ignorant "lefties" or bush-haters? No, I did not. I merely explained to flyboy_fx WHY I call these people "Ignorant", feel free to post a video with bush-haters who's logic and reason is equally stupid as those of these people, and I won't disagree that they are in fact ignorant.
I see were you are trying to reach: "how can a 17 year old kid have such a thinking like this? why doesnt he wants to be like normal teens who whana get rich? and his plan actually makes sense, but is too damn revolutionary and good at the same time than is still doubthfull if it works..." - Damaso

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #79 on: 28-09-2009, 07:09:13 »
They are not ignorant......
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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #80 on: 28-09-2009, 07:09:49 »
They are not ignorant......
Ho yeah they are. when you said shit like Barack Obama is in bible because you heard that from a guy from a Radio broadcasting and you believe it... you are without education, you are a pathetic ignorant and democracy is not for you...

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #81 on: 28-09-2009, 08:09:14 »
They are not ignorant......
Ho yeah they are. when you said shit like Barack Obama is in bible because you heard that from a guy from a Radio broadcasting and you believe it... you are without education, you are a pathetic ignorant and democracy is not for you...
There is no doubt they are ignorant.

They have no idea what the czars do/are, they claim that facism and communism is the exact same thing, they claim that obama is a communist, they think universal healthcare makes them a 3rd world country.
Believe us, they are ignorant.
I see were you are trying to reach: "how can a 17 year old kid have such a thinking like this? why doesnt he wants to be like normal teens who whana get rich? and his plan actually makes sense, but is too damn revolutionary and good at the same time than is still doubthfull if it works..." - Damaso

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #82 on: 28-09-2009, 08:09:11 »
They are not ignorant......

They are incredibly ignorant, Flyboy.  They use horrible arguments, little logic, and make themselves look exactly like the ignorant, idiotic left winger protestors.  It makes me sick to my stomach to know that those people, in the long haul, are TECHNICALLY on my side of the issues.

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #83 on: 28-09-2009, 09:09:49 »
Mhh, maybe not exactly like the ignorant left winger protestors. They settled at least for one side and compared Bush only to Hitler instead of putting him together with Marx and Hitler on one poster.

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« Reply #84 on: 28-09-2009, 11:09:11 »
I think they are also ignorant based on 3rd world standards.

As we were taught that Hitler is extreme rightist (fascism) and Marx is the leftist (socialism) theorist. And Hitler hates extreme leftists so much that he somehow broke the pact and did horrible things to his communist enemies.

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #85 on: 28-09-2009, 17:09:13 »
Also, the democrats... no, the WORLD has had to endure 8 years under the reign of George W. Bush. It's your turn now, try at least to endure it longer than 7 months.

Fuck you and every one who trys to blame bush.

That man could not do anything in the second term with a majority of DEM in the senate!  

Obama is in now it is not bush any more!

BTW I marched on WASH. and there where no radical/violent protesters.

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I don't think you would want that..it would spoil your mutual circle-jerk appreciation of your diseased preceptions of social reality.

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #86 on: 28-09-2009, 18:09:59 »
We do not share the same political views. We just agree that the people in the video are idiots.

So your little circle-jerk turns out to be just you flapping your flaccid...

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #87 on: 28-09-2009, 18:09:40 »
These nutjobs are quite sad and pathetic.

Ditto for the " Bush is Hitler"  mob. Though atleast they made a little bit more sense as Bush was only a closet facist who would turn the US in a police state (due to the BS like the patriot act and the steaming pil;e of shit it is).  Right now Obama & co are tagged to eb commies, socialists, nazis, facists, destroyer of countries and so on all in one...

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #88 on: 28-09-2009, 18:09:44 »
We do not share the same political views. We just agree that the people in the video are idiots.

So your little circle-jerk turns out to be just you flapping your flaccid...

Basically, yes


Also, it is indeed a myth that Fascism is an extreme right wing and communism is extreme left wing....  They both follow exactly the same philosophies, the only real difference being the worship of the "people" under communism, and the worship of the "nation" under Fascism.  This means that Fascism DOES commonly get placed under right wing, as the further right you go, generally, the more nationalistic it is.

Of course, there is also the common mistake of placing National Socialism (Nazism) under the Fascist banner said.  As Mussolini said "National Socialism is just racism."  Remember, true Fascism was, and still is, purely shown by the Italian model, in which Jews were actually overrepresented in the organization.

As for Fascist views on liberalism (speaking of classical liberalism, ie, free market, small government, focus on the individual's freedom to do things without government intervention), they actually hated capitalism.  Now, that comes as a shock, as many believe Fascism to be a model of capitalist, however it simply was not.  Just like under communism, Mussolini privatized industries, threw out the capitalists, and brought incredible government control over business.  Hitler, who at least modeled himself a fascist, planned on mass executions of the capitalists after the war, much like Stalin and Lenin committed in the USSR.

Essentially, the reason that the communists and Fascist didn't get along was the same reason that say, Christians and Jews historically have not.  They're both recruiting from the same pool, lower class workers, and duly they're both fighting over the same people.  As F. A. Hayek said in The Road to Serfdom: "The Fascist, Communist, and Socialist can all recruit the same people, and even recruit from each other, such is the closeness of their ideology.  However, they cannot recruit from the liberal, and duly see it their duty to destroy him."

So where do they lie on the governmental scale?  Well, if we must include the difference between nationalistic focus and internationalist focus (the people), I like to see it as a big circle, not a line going from left to right.  Pure anarcho-capitalism lies at the very top of the circle, being the complete elimination of all government control and establishment.  Communism and Fascism lie at the opposite end of the circle, sitting right next to each other, communism on the left, Fascism on the right, and totalitarianism inbetween.  Then, Socialistic democracy lies on the left side of the circle, market democracy on the right side, and everything else is basically thrown into the rest of the line, fitting in where they should be.

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Re: Ignorant Obama-haters
« Reply #89 on: 28-09-2009, 18:09:35 »
Making a whole new political chart? I think we need one already.

But for sure, those people in the video... Hitler and communism cannot be one. It is simply wrong and LOL!

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Now, that comes as a shock, as many believe Fascism to be a model of capitalist, however it simply was not.

Agreed, i also feel that something just doesn't connect when associating fascism and capitalism. One opposing front towards Obama, a capitalists in CNBC interview, criticize the way the govs bailed out many companies in trouble. He said that the government shouldn't rescuing the losers. If necessary, we can close down all loosing North American GM plants and move into China instead.

He argued that the tax money were spent horrendously for nothing. He repeatedly called "Can they sell a damn car? That's just the question they need to answer. If they can't, why don't just close down this company?" The simple logic is that whenever you keep saving someone from the danger that they incompetently put themselves in. They'll never know of the impending consequences when you can't save them anymore and they'll never learn a lesson.

I thought this guy was pretty crazy, and i'm sure he is Republican, but his idea just doesn't match the "nationalistic" idea that the "rights" have always been associated with. If looked this way, we cannot simply brand those ignorants "rightists"

And doesn't "liberal" means something like "free" or "liberty"? If the capitalist "right" idea is to be free from government intervention, then why "liberal" is always associated with the "left"?
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