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Forgotten Hope 2 => General Discussion => Topic started by: FatJoe on 05-09-2009, 12:09:17
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With FH2.2's release date announced I wanted to go into details on one of the new Normandy maps, Pointe Du Hoc, from the Rangers point of view.
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH0.jpg)
At start you spawn in the British LCA and head for shore. Before you lies the large cliff of Pointe Du Hoc which you and the rest of the 2nd Rangers will have to scale to complete your objectives. To scale the cliff you need special hook pickup kit that can be found lying about in few of those beached LCA's
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH2.jpg)
Now there aren't many of those kits about so those who do grab them will be setting up access points to the top of those cliffs for the whole team. So consider the next couple of points as a general guideline to effectively use those hooks.
Throwing those hooks effectively can be a bit tricky at first but you'll quickly get a hang of it. A good beginners rule is to aim at the cliff's edge befor you throw, as displayed:
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH1.jpg)
After throwing the hook, give it 2 or 3 seconds to align it self to the terrain, until it stops moving. You want to make sure the rope is properly secured befor you start climbing. Also, In order to prevent yourself from loosing your grip on the rope and fall down and hurt yourself, You have to make sure that the rope is in a good straight line before you start climbing. If the rope is too loose or tangled you should pick it up again ( default key: G ) and re-throw it.
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH3.jpg)
Another good rule is to keep your distance from each others rope. By keeping your distance, if you failed your throw, you reduce the possibility of picking up other players rope that might have some rangers climbing it. This will also allow you to spread the access points up the cliff over a large area, making it harder for the enemy to cover your access points.
After throwing your hook and scaling the cliff, it's a good team play move to just leave your hook and rope on the cliff for others to climb. Another good move is for the first one up to provide cover for others to join you.
On top of that cliff you now have a very hard fight on your hands. But with good teamwork and coordination you can start your advance inland and work your way towards the Homestead. Upon capturing the second last flag, the "Farm", you reveal the location of four artillery guns.
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH4.jpg)
These guns are the objective of the map and have to be destroyed in order to overrun the enemy. This is where the thermite grenade comes into play as these artillery guns can only be destroyed with the thermite grenade, found in the engineer kit.
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH5.jpg)
Normal grenades, bazookas or even flamethrower will not destroy these artillery guns.
Now the thermite grenade is not like your normal grenade as it doesn't explode. For this very reason it needs to be placed ON the gun, in order for it to wreck the gun. Placing it next to the gun will not do any damage to it. I personally recommend the levers and wheels to traverse the gun.
(http://joe.simnet.is/FH/img/article/PDH6.jpg)
Upon destroying those guns you should assault the last flag and secure the area.
I hope this has informed you on how to operate both the new hooks and the thermite grenades, both objects playing key-roles in this map. Good luck and godspeed Rangers! ;)
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Awesome and thanks FatJoe ;D
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Do you just throw it at the gun or is there some sort of "placing" animation?
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You throw it. But you must be very close to the gun when you throw it because the throwing distance of this grenade is insanely short!
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Know the C4 in vBF2? The thermite doesn't even travel as far as that. Also what works for beginners is to jump on top of the gun and tap right click to drop it on top.
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Dam, this looks unbelievably good ;D nice to see 'guides' for these maps (well this one at least anyway).
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But can you drop the termiittinade by pressing right mouse or is it only possible to throw it?
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Ok, and is the gun reparable?
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No, it is an objective like the ones in hyacinth. You lose it, you lose it forever and your team is closer to defeat.
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But can you drop the termiittinade by pressing right mouse or is it only possible to throw it?
The thermite grenade works just like a normal grenade in that sense, you throw it perhpas a meter infront of you, and you can right click, to just drop it.
Ok, and is the gun reparable?
No, these are not repairable.
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Shame we can only use the thermite against these guns
They are incidinairy grenades for something >:( :(
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For melting the guns, duh.
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For melting the guns, duh.
But i wanna trow it at Lafette's and Germans!
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Can you enter the guns and fire them?
This is for the 64player version? or is there a conquest-only version as well?
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Zweig seriously, 4 155mm guns, imagine the artillery rapage? These guns where originally installed at PdH but hidden for air assaults etc. So no you can't fire them :P
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You can't enter the guns, and yes, this is the 64 player version. The 32 player version is just plain conquest, but doesn't feature the cliffs.
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i'm sure we will, one day, fire these sweet 155MM guns.
The calibre 155MM and around this calibre, where very common in the war.
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Great thread! It´s extremely infortmative and gives us great insights in this new map.
I really hope we see more guides to the new maps ;)
Oh, btw, can it be that the Normandy release is pretty close? I haven´t been very active in the past weeks and missed some things because basic training takes alot of my time...
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Normandy release is today ;D
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Great thread! It´s extremely infortmative and gives us great insights in this new map.
I really hope we see more guides to the new maps ;)
Oh, btw, can it be that the Normandy release is pretty close? I haven´t been very active in the past weeks and missed some things because basic training takes alot of my time...
Hehe, check the mainpage. 18:00 UTC today :)
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Don't let us stop you from trying TAO ;)
Guns can't be fired no.
This is the 64player version of the map, but besides that one there is also a 32player version of the map with Germans counter attacking.
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Great thread! It´s extremely infortmative and gives us great insights in this new map.
I really hope we see more guides to the new maps ;)
Oh, btw, can it be that the Normandy release is pretty close? I haven´t been very active in the past weeks and missed some things because basic training takes alot of my time...
Hehe, check the mainpage. 18:00 UTC today :)
My gosh, I really missed the great news! Awesome to hear, now I only have to download 2.2 and BF 1.5 patch :D
(although my Torrent download is pretty slow o0)
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Great thread! It´s extremely infortmative and gives us great insights in this new map.
I really hope we see more guides to the new maps ;)
Oh, btw, can it be that the Normandy release is pretty close? I haven´t been very active in the past weeks and missed some things because basic training takes alot of my time...
Hehe, check the mainpage. 18:00 UTC today :)
If that guy dies of a brain hermmorage you are responsible, you hear me, you are responsible.!!!..
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Zweig seriously, 4 155mm guns, imagine the artillery rapage? These guns where originally installed at PdH but hidden for air assaults etc. So no you can't fire them :P
Yeah kinda figured, but you never know what those jerrys are up to!
You can't enter the guns, and yes, this is the 64 player version. The 32 player version is just plain conquest, but doesn't feature the cliffs.
Okay! :) finally the objective mode will be put to use!
Great thread! It´s extremely infortmative and gives us great insights in this new map.
I really hope we see more guides to the new maps ;)
Oh, btw, can it be that the Normandy release is pretty close? I haven´t been very active in the past weeks and missed some things because basic training takes alot of my time...
Hehe, check the mainpage. 18:00 UTC today :)
If that guy dies of a brain hermmorage you are responsible, you hear me, you are responsible.!!!..
I'll just blame the devs, he's not the only one who was shocked :)
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wow :o
you should use this as a funny advertisement in forums for today ;)
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For melting the guns, duh.
But i wanna trow it at Lafette's and Germans!
You actually can hurt someone with those things, but that would be very lucky and doesn't do much damage. :)
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I can only guess that Pointe du Hoc isn't bot surported as i guess they can't cope with the grapling hooks, thermite grenades etc.
Seeming as i've often been assaulted by enemy bots weilding field dressings LOL ::)
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There is a SP version of PdH.
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Soo... will the Germans be repelling the actual climbing bit? Chucking stick grenades and cutting ropes, all that stuff?
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No, you'll just wait for them to climb up and then shoot them back to the beach. If you get to close to the beach you are a traitor, sunning on the beach is for traitors, coward, communists, gipsies and jews said Hitler.
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Well, you can throw nades down and shoot at certain parts of the beach :P
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True bit it's chivalrous to just wait with your MG42 and rape them.
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Soo... will the Germans be repelling the actual climbing bit? Chucking stick grenades and cutting ropes, all that stuff?
Ah, we forgot to add this in the guide, the germans only have acess to very few places in the cliff (observation bunker and a sandbag position, most of it has some metters of out of bounds with a very short warning time, so just don't try or you will die.
This is for gameplay reasons, no allied team could climb those cliffs if the axis team has free access to the cliff
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I would be surprised if allies get a decent hold of the first 2 flags today :P
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I would be surprised if allies get a decent hold of the first 2 flags today :P
Lafette goes braaaaaaap braaaaap ;D
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Will we be needing guides for other maps as well? :P
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The other maps are all pretty straight forward...
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Oh, you cant use that beuty.... damn.
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Very nice :D
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Thank you FatJoe
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68% in 8h and 38 mins... Gonna check this great guide tommorow...
I won`t forget you that devs, next time please, give http passworded client.
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I would be surprised if allies get a decent hold of the first 2 flags today :P
Lafette goes braaaaaaap braaaaap ;D
Flamethrower goes 'ShhhhhhHHHH-ish khebab!'
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And my lafette placed WAY behind the beach goes brrraaaaaappbrrraaaaaappp into the flamethrower :D
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As iv said before, ill just have to go all Pvt. Jackson on yo ass. Springfield ftw ;)
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lafette, wich laffete?...ah, that germanic bunch of tubes, it had some crash issue or something and we were so pissed off that we removed it out the mod and deleted the model, this froilain is not going to play with us, you betcha!
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This is why I love you Lobo ;D
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thanks buddy for this great tutorial!
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I would add to this guide the fact that LCA doors can/have to be opened in order to leave the boat (with up and down arrows). I've seen many guys just beaching their LCA and randomly jumping out of it. It kills a bit of immersion...
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But everyone know that from Battlefield 1942 :P .
Either way, I give the OP four grappling hooks out of five!
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG) (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG) (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG) (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG)
One grappling hook retracted for a couple of typos and grammatical errors.
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Also, a spawnpoint appears on top of the cliffs after a while.
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But everyone know that from Battlefield 1942 :P .
Either way, I give the OP four grappling hooks out of five!
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG) (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG) (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG) (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iB2a_aUzbGnauM:http://www.shadowofleaves.com/grappling%2520hook.JPG)
One grappling hook retracted for a couple of typos and grammatical errors.
hehe.. well with English being my third language I'm quite pleased with only a couple of typos and grammatical errors :P :)
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Either way, it's content that counts, not grammar and typos ;) .
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I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there are three unmarked flags at the top of the cliff that only the US can capture. Once they do, spawns appear on the beach for them, so they don't have to rely on the LCAs anymore. There is also the eastern spawn that appears after some time.
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There is at least one spot, closer to the western edge of the map, where a German can walk up to the edge of the cliff and fire a rifle grenade onto the heads of the poor Rangers trying to climb. Was one of the four unfortunates to get hit. Surely enough, having read that the cliff is out of bounds, we thought that the Kraut was shot for desertion, and ran for the same spot in the cliff to fire the grappling hook. Of course, the German was alive and well and fired a second rifle grenade...
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Even when we had destroyed the 4 guns and capped the flags and were hunting down the last enemies some guys still spawn back at the beach just to have the flamer heh heh! Just too much fun to leave behind eh!?! ;)
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I spawn at the back just for the Winchester. That's one awesome weapon.
Love to climb up the far right side of the map near the bunker and blast away some Germans with it. Never see it coming. They're usually too busy firing at the infantry below. More often than not I get 3 - 4 kills with it before they pick me off.
Such a nice change from WaW, CoD4 and vBF2 shotguns. Fantastic reload and sound animations as well.
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Thanks buddy! Finally understood it! I played it in single player mode. It was awesome and immersive! I can't even imagine this map in multiplayer.
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Whenever I play PDH on Singleplayer, there's only about 8 -12 players on each team(don't remember the exact number), even though it says 64.
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Whenever I play PDH on Singleplayer, there's only about 8 -12 players on each team(don't remember the exact number), even though it says 64.
Take a look at this thread http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=1871.0 (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=1871.0). Here you will find what you need to do for more then 16 players.
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is this for multi or single player? because when i play u already spawn at top of cliff
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MP
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is this for multi or single player? because when i play u already spawn at top of cliff
Multi
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For melting the guns, duh.
But i wanna trow it at Lafette's and Germans!
I wanna throw it into the exhaust of Churchill tanks!!!
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Well done FatJoe!