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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5580 on: 21-09-2014, 17:09:36 »
Yeah, the game itself sucks. But the threats that she received is off the mark. Threatening to rape/kill/violently injuring someone is pretty stone-aged for me.

Yes, she sucked hard at making games, but expressing your frustration should not be followed by words like "rape" and typical "whore/slut" stuff. I mean, it is a pretty strong insult in here, even for a man, if you have mother or sister.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5581 on: 21-09-2014, 18:09:28 »
Personal attacks, hacking, harassing, etc. are of course unacceptable and work against the entire purpose of criticism. Though, the inappropriate behaviour started as a "revenge" only AFTER Quinn had started her campaign to remove all her criticism from forums and social media.

But things like "GameProJourno" chain letter where recipients are practically coerced to write of the case purely as an example of basement dwelling neckbeards attacking a female developer because misogyny, and never to even mention the background, cannot really be justified by any imaginable excuse. Nor is it any way "professional" that the media starts ranting how "gamers" don't even exist and even if they did, they would have no right to criticize games or developers because they are not "professionals". And instead of just censoring the slandering comments, even RATIONAL discusssion about the case - or using the case as an example of issues in games journalism - is now verboten in many places.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5582 on: 21-09-2014, 22:09:14 »
If I'm not mistaken it's all about the girl developer who gave her body for good reviews, right? The uproar is understandable, threats are unacceptable and defensive stance from some media groups is inappropriate. Hopefully they'll learn the hard way when people stop viewing their content and revenue drops.

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« Reply #5583 on: 21-09-2014, 22:09:12 »
If I get that right, it is all about a game whose female developer has been falsely accused of sleeping around with game reviewers to achieve a better rating in the press, which lead to a widespread discussion about the links between game developers and the press reviewing these titles.

After all it seems to be the same discussion led for 20 years that reviewers cannot independently review titles as they require the goodwill of companies in obtaining exclusive previews and insights into titles being developed.

Everything else was beyond my comprehension.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5584 on: 22-09-2014, 00:09:06 »
If only more women would be in executive functions id definitely sleep around too for... whatever.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5585 on: 22-09-2014, 03:09:13 »
This video more or less explains it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCExXie1XB4 (or at least that covers what i know about it, minus some more juicy Quinn stories)
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« Reply #5586 on: 22-09-2014, 05:09:30 »
Well, my source has been this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GamerGate . And a few Youtube videos.

So, her ex-boyfriend leaked the story of her relationship with a game website's writer. But the website's owner claimed that the writer never write an article about the game.

What have been the controversy so far is criticism towards a very bland, heavily scenarioed game is viewed as misogynistic. A typical well-off insecure SJW, Quinn created a game about dealing with depression, but a lot of people pointed out that the case presented in the game is too shallow and come from a privileged point of view. These criticisms are also jumped upon by a lot of "forever alone (and virgin)" machismo arm-chair tough guy gamers, clouding what would have been a valid point about gaming journalism bias into gender/privileged group battle.

My point is: the game is rather a small, unimportant game, and it is effing free! Why all the fuss? They just gave her free publicity.

And I simply don't side with her critics because of the death/rape threats. She may be stupid and stubborn, but in a freedom-of-speech society, stupidity does not warrant silencing, and especially by violent means.

If only more women would be in executive functions id definitely sleep around too for... whatever.

75% (3 out of 4) of my bosses are females. Doesn't fit any stereotype about female bosses. One is a mother, and she does take care both of her business relatively very well.

Favourable views on working/professional women are also exacerbated by sexism if you think deeply. Women marketing = to please male customer. Women executive = to please male bosses/stakeholders/or just executive meeting participants. As a consequence, beta males (all of you, non-rich males) are seconded.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5587 on: 22-09-2014, 18:09:10 »
And I simply don't side with her critics because of the death/rape threats. She may be stupid and stubborn, but in a freedom-of-speech society, stupidity does not warrant silencing, and especially by violent means.

Not all of her critics are creepy lunatics, they just get the spotlight because it's easier and more fun to write about. This to me doesn't mean you can't be against the game anymore though.

For example: If someone would go on national television, and  give a speech about how good nazi war crimes were. Then someone in the live audience stands up and yells "they should torture you to death!". Does that mean everyone who critizes that war crime glorification speech can't be sided with? I think that if someone would just point out all the perverted thoughts, and say in a civilised way why they are so wrong, I could side with them. I know this is an over-the-top example, but i just did it to make the point more clear. There are always idiots who say totally unacceptable stuff without thinking, especially on the internet, but that doesn't mean you can no longer side with a negative opinion on a certain topic, the moment some lunatic puts a post up saying his negative opinion on the topic in an unacceptable way. Of course you're not siding with the lunatic his message, but you can be on the same side in terms of in favor / not in favor in my opinion.

PS: the example is not meant to insinuate the game itself is as bad as war crimes or anything, i just took a topic just about anyone can agree on that they are bad, so the explanation after it is valid for just about everyone. If I would give a controversial example like "are the democrats the best party in the US?", then i'd have about 50% that doesn't agree and the example would be less explaining
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5588 on: 22-09-2014, 20:09:40 »
I don't see any significant reviews from the game websites that supports her game. She only gets her shitty game online on Steam through Greenlighting. What's the deal? The bigger issue here is the gaming press, not one shitty game. If people tried to manifest the whole hatred on just one product of such system, they are on their way to failure. They will shield behind the victim card, now the whole #gamergate cause is gone. Because somebody has gone sociopath by threatening families and friends. Instead, point at the establishment, the gaming journalists, not the product like Zoe Quinn.

From what I see so far is that, people are angry at her anti-4chan behaviour and her promotion of her own brand of feminism. She denied The Fine Young Capitalist the support because of typical "my cause is hollier-than-thou" differences, which is typical of SJWs. Then using each own gangs, they attacked each other. Honestly, it is just a first world focking problem with their overly-privileged young adults of first world countries acting and finding cause to be on under-privileged's side to get public sympathy.

They don't even have Asian parents, albeit the one who never understands depression, or stress, and keep blaming you for your own misery. The only thing they say when you are sick, "see, I told you to drink more water!" "Next time, always wear a jacket!" Never a word of consolation, always try to be smartass. There are no western medicine or scientifically developed nutrition supplements good enough for weird ass Chinese medicine stuff. Nobody talk about this stuff? Yea right? Why complain? Aren't you ungrateful compared to orphans? There is always a comparison in my society (which is BTW, is considered minority in SJW's book).

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5589 on: 22-09-2014, 22:09:13 »
Meanwhile in Helsinki: http://yle.fi/uutiset/better_walk_or_bike_tuesday__strike_spreads_to_replacement_buses/7486082

Basically 1/3 of the city, which is serviced by metro + connecting bus lines, will have to find another way to move around for a day. Living in Eastern Helsinki, I think my only option is to bike to the "East Center" (thankfully only 2km away) and try to fit in the one bus line that goes towards the city...

Good thing I'm only the project manager in a development project that has the first big meeting tomorrow at 8am sharp ::)

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Commuters are being urged to consider walking or biking to work instead.
This in a city of ~600,000 people.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5590 on: 23-09-2014, 00:09:59 »
Working from home tomorrow due to the strike.

Of course, that means I'm likely to be arrested for piracy, because according to recent news, media industry now wants that everyone who is detected to be having heavy VPN traffic should be assumed to be a pirate. First they came etc.

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« Reply #5591 on: 23-09-2014, 00:09:33 »
ONE TWO THREE FOUR FINLAND DESERVES MORE! money
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« Reply #5592 on: 24-09-2014, 17:09:15 »
KAMERADEN ich habben understutzung nodig!


http://www.worldofsweets.de/Swiss-Army/Swiss-Army-Milch-Schokolade.html

I finnaly found these AWESOME swiss army chocolates. But how do i order them? the site is in german and i cant find the "buy this" button or whatever!
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5593 on: 24-09-2014, 17:09:10 »
you can't order it, it is out of stock. You can subscribe to get info when its back available

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5594 on: 25-09-2014, 13:09:05 »
Actual footage from life in Rakka (Syria):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecM8MxPTQw

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