Prop. 8 Overturned in california

[Kelmola]

So being attracted to the same sex is supposedly a physical deformation?

Latest research shows most of those who identify themselves exclusively homosexual have some "variety" in the structure of their brain... that actually make it more like those of the opposite sex. Now, brain structure is definitely not voluntary, neither is it something that nurture would cause.

Bisexuality cannot be explained with this alone - except that most people are born with it, at least latently. Case in point: people who would otherwise live exclusively heterosexual livess will sometimes adopt "situational homosexuality" in a closed single-sex environment eg. in prisons, oceangoing ships, etc. However, given a free choice in a multi-sex environment, I bet no one knows exactly what defines preference of one sex over the other. Certainly, parental example cannot be the reason, because children raised by homosexual couples are no more likely to be homosexual or genuinely (as opposed to latently) bisexual than those raised by heterosexual couples. So this would point in the direction of "nature", genes, fetal development or endemic infant development or a combination thereof.

Also, homosexual and bisexual behaviour among animals, both sentient and non-sentient ones, is rather difficult to explain by "choice", since animals tend to be unable to overcome their natural urges. So it would have to be genes and/or something that happens during the growth from embryo to adult, though animals being animals, psychological trauma might not be applicable.

But like we have learned from that other thread, we could just as well blame video games for homosexuality. Or TV and movies. Or those damned subversive comics with their spandex-clad superheroes with secret identities with their deviant superpowers usually manifesting in their teens. Or classic literature. Or dirty cave paintings made by the Neanderthals.

[Oddball]

I can't wait for Oddball to start trollin' this thread up.

Well, that's a fine good morning. But yeah your right... lets begin. I was not going to, because I don't really agree with one person. I more mixed on this;

Yes, I'm probably closest to Papa. However, i'm not afraid of gays, nor do I hate them. In matter of fact I have a few gay friends. I mean heck, yeah... they're probably more protected under the law now, especially financially. These gays have no families, no marriages, nobody to support, 2 of them get together... they have a good source of income and only spending it on two people. That's why there is a high concentration of gays along the coast.

Don't get me wrong through, and don't start hating on the Chrisitian Religion. To say that they don't broadcast "pedophile" gay priest is a lie. Why do you think there are all those Christian jokes about little boys and Catholic priest. It doesn't bother me, because I can guarentee you most of those stories are false. Most definetely don't compare the rest of Christians to Westboro Church, they ARE NOT Christians. There are many Christians that are accepting to gays, like me... I know it's not their personal choice to become gay. It's a gene mishap. It's not like one day they wake up and are like....I'm going to be gay for the rest of my life now.

Yes, I think gays should be allowed to get married somehow. Perhaps not in all Churches, seperation of State and Religion...as far as those "one night marriages in vegas", so they happen in Hollywood; so what? They rarely happen in reality and that is a small percent of marriages, I know people who have been married for over 60 years, many for 50 years and a lot until death.

This may sound weird, it probably didn't come out right.. but yeah.. it's hard to say the way I feel with it making sense. I may edit it to make more sense later.

[THeTA0123]

It actually does make sense thank you.

It doesn't bother me, because I can guarentee you most of those stories are false. Most definetely don't compare the rest of Christians to Westboro Church, they ARE NOT Christians

I am not referring to that. But my country. The past few months, massive amounts of cases and proof of priests abusing and molesting childs has come to light. Many of them infact confessed it. What happens?

They get send to the Abbey of West-vleteren to........i dont know what the word is, you now, to ""Get on the right path again"

These guys get AWAY with it unpunished, and many many cover-up stories have recently been revealed, and the common christian wants something to be done about it, but the hardcore christians say it is all a lie, a blasphemy and a way to insult christians. BULLSHIT.

When you molest a poor defenseless child, you go to jail, not to comfy Abbey where you can taste high quality trappists and live a good life on the tax money WE pay for.

[stylie]

As a DJ who does lots of weddings. I welcome this. Could be a windfall for me. Like a gay wedding bomb or something. I'll do it. But I guess I will have to stock up on my Queen, Etheridge and Minelli collections *shudder*. Anyways its sort of the same thing with the mosque at Ground Zero. One of our fundamental principals is equality and freedom of religion. Cant just turn that off once in awhile.

[Oddball]

@THeTAO123, Religion is so much different in your country. Any priest that is actually guilty of molestering a child, will go to prison. Also, the Priest and Churches are not funded by our tax money.

@stylie, don't even get me started about how much bullshit the mosque at Ground Zero is.... I was flipping bunnies when I saw it got the green light.

[THeTA0123]

@THeTAO123, Religion is so much different in your country. Any priest that is actually guilty of molestering a child, will go to prison. Also, the Priest and Churches are not funded by our tax money.

Well not here. So far i cannot recall even one priest going to jail for it (Do you remeber one Siben?)

[Kading]

Today, for the first time in my life, I feel that I am witnessing history in the making. Not some random thing that I may find interesting, but something that will be in history books and I will tell my kids and grandkids about.

For a long time, I faced the strait man's dilemma in regards to gay marriage: Dude-on-dude butt sex frankly grosses me out, BUT, I love equality. Never had a problem with gay marriage, but it was always a weird thing that I didn't understand, and never will due to my love of boobs. But consenting adults aught to be able to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't ACTUALLY hurt anyone.


A popular concern among critics of same sex marriage has to do with the "slippery slope" argument, that next people will be marrying goats and 13 year olds. This, I believe, is a legitimate concern that needs to be addressed. At some point the government has to place limits on who and what you can and can't marry. I think a reasonable limit would be defining marriage as a union between two consenting adults. Consenting adults being of age (18, or age ratio limits set by individual states), mentally sound (not retarded, insane, etc.), a human being (sorry, sheep bangers), and not related to each other.

[siben]

@THeTAO123, Religion is so much different in your country. Any priest that is actually guilty of molestering a child, will go to prison. Also, the Priest and Churches are not funded by our tax money.

Well not here. So far i cannot recall even one priest going to jail for it (Do you remeber one Siben?)

They can't be send to prison, because all of the sudden all these cases come up of people being 'raped' in the 70's and 80's and to be convicted for a crime the complaint has to be done within 10 years.

To be honest i don't believe many of these people, seriously if you listen to there stories and interviews you quickly see that many of there people are really attention whores. It did happen however, just like any place where older men got into contact with young children. Priest just got the attention now but they are definitly not the only ones.

Also when a case will be found that is recent, and the proof is there, then they will definitly get convicted like any rapist here. A slap on the wrist and a "don't do it again now hey"

[stylie]

The government should not even be in the business of marriage. To me, wether gays can marry each other is meaningless. I say knock yourselves out. Just dont get any near me. 

[Moose]

I will agree with Oddball that Churches should be able to choose whether they want to marry gays because well if that's in the purview, fine. But civil, actual law binding marriage should be extended to everyone

[Ciupita]

I will agree with Oddball that Churches should be able to choose whether they want to marry gays because well if that's in the purview, fine. But civil, actual law binding marriage should be extended to everyone

I think this is what they will do in Finland if/when they allow gay marriages..

[VonMudra]

I will agree with Oddball that Churches should be able to choose whether they want to marry gays because well if that's in the purview, fine. But civil, actual law binding marriage should be extended to everyone

Yes, same.  Discrimination should always be legal in private, but not in public.  People have the right to say "I don't like gays" but they don't have the right to say "People who are gay should be in jail."

Also, Kading, what about 9/11 and the 2 wars...that's sorta history being made

And what Kelmola said is completly true.  There wasn't a moment where I woke up one day when I was 13 and said "I think I like guys and girls equally."  I just started noticing hot guys in the same way that I, and straight guys, notice hot girls, and one thing led to another

[Kading]

Wars come and go for various reasons, Muddy. This is potentially a major change in millions of Americans lives, and will change the way the country thinks for the rest of its existence.

[VonMudra]

So did 9/11

But you are correct that this is absolutely history being made :3

[Musti]

@THeTAO123, Religion is so much different in your country. Any priest that is actually guilty of molestering a child, will go to prison. Also, the Priest and Churches are not funded by our tax money.

Well not here. So far i cannot recall even one priest going to jail for it (Do you remeber one Siben?)

Same thing here in Poland priests get special treatment and get away with many things
and we DO have a "hidden" tax for Catholic church (the most hard-headed type of Christianity)
about 1.44%