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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Stonechater on 07-09-2009, 22:09:16
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Its one thing to speed down the kubel(and jeeps) because these where maybe to fast but why the trucks?
Tried some SP on some africa maps and Im telling you, people using trucks will get killed easily by tanks, they wont stand a chance. :-\
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Since when were trucks speedy gonzales? :P
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Civilian vehicles are also so slow. You can easily point your bolt action rifle to drivers head and shoot his brain off.
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These vehicles werent ferraris, you have to realise that they were ludicrious with their speeds before. They are still faster than walking and most of them are faster than tanks.
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I agree with flippy here. No one sane in his mind drove in front of an enemy tank like a dacar race car. It will not be pleasant at first as most of you guys are used to quick sand cruise but on the bright side there wont be as much backcapping.
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While I agree that the trucks and stuff are at little too slow, there is a more pressing issue.
WHY IS THE JEEP SOOOOOOO SLOW!!!!
its slower than running, tanks, and everything else.
IRL that thing could fly!
Right now though its like its got a governor at about 15mph.
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The cars, trucks, planes and tanks were toooooooo fast in old versions, this led to stupid gameplay and wonky physics with immersion killer stunts.
We can do small fixes here and there if some are off, but don't expect the 2.15 Ferraris back, they are gone for good
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Yep, i agree with the speeds, they are fine at there new settings.
But it does make me wonder...
Do the speeds listed for vehicals on the FH website have any relation to them in game? Because the speeds have changed in game, but not on the list.
Although i am with the speed changes, i agree with UB3R_SN1P3R that the speed which is too slow now is the jeep. They are road legal U.K cars, that means they can reach atleast 70mph! :D
But all in all i love the gameplay tweaks in 2.2!
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Like Lobo said, there can be tweaks but the ferraris are gone.
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The cars, trucks, planes and tanks were toooooooo fast in old versions, this led to stupid gameplay and wonky physics with immersion killer stunts.
We can do small fixes here and there if some are off, but don't expect the 2.15 Ferraris back, they are gone for good
How about "big" fixes that you made that were stupid like getting rid of vehicle horns? Anyways, the jeep crawls terribly and when it is going uphill I can actually walk faster than it.
@ josh094
I know a couple guys with Willys jeeps and they would never dare to go as fast as the speedometer allows, as the jeep will flip if it hits a bump in the road.
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No one took away vehicle horns??
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Willy's never had them, and I know they are still on the Kubels and the new Opel Coupe car. I don't know about the trucks, but the bicycle still has it's bell as well...
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the jeeps I driven in-game haven't had a horn sound. it's harder to get ppl's attention to give them a ride if they can't be given an audible cue.
edit: are u sure Ionizer? I could have sworn I have leaned on the Willys horn. IRL it has a horn anyways, it's got quite a sharp sound to it that is very distinctive.
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The Willy's didn't have a horn in 2.15, I don't know if it has one now. I also don't know if it had a horn in previous versions of FH2, I can't remember. It did have a horn in FH1 maybe that's what you're remembering?
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:'( no more doghnut willies and AT hunts? :'(
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The jeeps haven't had any horns since even before 2.15.
Need some sleep sheik? You've been playing to much! Since you are throwing around with words like stupid and co.? ;)
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the jeeps I driven in-game haven't had a horn sound. it's harder to get ppl's attention to give them a ride if they can't be given an audible cue.
edit: are u sure Ionizer? I could have sworn I have leaned on the Willys horn. IRL it has a horn anyways, it's got quite a sharp sound to it that is very distinctive.
Maybe you confused it with the Chevy? That one had a horn ingame in 2,15.
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Chevy had a horn since 2.0 afaik. I bet a beep can be added to the jeep np if its what you desire. ;)
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What bugs me the most is not the speed of vehicles, but how slow they turn, the M3A1 Halftrack is the perfect example.
Okay, they might not have been great at turning IRL, but come on...
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Sherman needs a bit of a speed boost IMO jsut a tad
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I'd say this is the end of the AT Kübelwagen.
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Thanks Gods
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I don't regret either.
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Well, AT jeeps were fun. I'll kinda miss them.
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In all honest, i think that players should use lorries and jeeps to transport troops to a friendly flag or at least close to one aslong as you know what your doing, but nobody in their right minds would drive a jeep or lorry/Truck in full plain view of an enemy tank or Anti-tank gun!, especially across a field where the enemy has a good killing field...i'd place a truck or transport in a woodland area at least your not spotted by enemy planes and also semi-camouflaged from enemy tanks and if you are spotted you can use the terrain to your advantage, especially useful for anti-tank infantry!.
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The jeep charges and AT-driving were fun, but required quite a suspension of disbelief.
While a jeep or Kübel might have been (and still be) able to drive so fast on a paved (or sufficiently flat unpaved) road, doing that cross-country or in sand was not realistic by any stretch of imagination. Not to mention that in real life, nobody (outside Japan :p) would have been suicidal enough to pull stunts like that.
APC's were invented for a reason, namely that "soft" vehicles tended to die horribly when they reached the battlefield, so this is one more change that makes the game more realistic. I think that the new speed for wheeled vehicles is fine. It's still much faster than walking/running, but requires you to either bail out early and charge on foot, or take a detour away from known enemy positions.
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Guys, try the halftracks. The speed has been increased, they are really agile now and the mg is accurate as hell. Forget the trucks, the mechanized future is finally here.
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Only problem with apcs is though, they are still vulnerable to anti-gun fire and tanks etc. so my suggestion is, use them to get as close to a flag as possible, just make sure no anti-tank stuff is around though :/ (goodwood isn't a good place to use APCS since goodwood is basically alot of fields)
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Only problem with apcs is though, they are still vulnerable to anti-gun fire and tanks etc. so my suggestion is, use them to get as close to a flag as possible, just make sure no anti-tank stuff is around though :/ (goodwood isn't a good place to use APCS since goodwood is basically alot of fields)
Playing as Germans in Goodwood it's funny to watch how many times the Brits charge from the Prior (sp?) towards Cagny in their halftracks, only to be eaten alive by the twin 88's... even though they must know that the guns are there. ;D
Playing as the Brits you curse the halftrack driver and tell him to take a detour "just in case", but he does not listen. >:(
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I think the current speed is good as it is, both when it comes to trucks and jeeps
Looks so much better now instead of the Schumacher trucks & jeeps we have had before
And they are still a better alternative then walking, win x 2
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Sherman needs a bit of a speed boost IMO jsut a tad
The sherman dont need more speed, a Tiger is faster :)
And, I think trucks are fine as they are, they aint racing vehicles, same for the jeeps, a willy can go about 70km/h if I remember right.
And, do the vehicles get an advantage with steering if i get a steering wheel and pedals for my pc? (to the devs) I mean are the wheels syncronized with it that kind of equipment? Like if i turn the steering wheel fast, will the wheels also turn fast? might be a bit off topic, but would be nice to know anyway.
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my tactic for goodwood with the APC thing would be use spotters to get the artillery to destroy them that would be my tactic etc..then use apcs to assault cagny!, also why do people always go up into the church tower, its abit of a cliche and going up their is suicide in the end cos all a sherman or enemy has to do is throw a grenade up or use a high explosive shell and your basically dead!.
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Why don't they slow down the tanks too, the panzers and tigers are too fast as far as I'm concerned, even their turret rotation speed could be decreased. that would also make it more realistic... the German tanks were much slower than what they are on game and the shermans are slower than the panzers which is also unrealistic..... >:(Just my thoughts....
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I think speeds are now fine. Don't have preconceptions! Why would they be any faster? Driving over various terrains and being vehicles from 40's.. they are fine.
Now when I see it, I would agree that Jeep could use a slight boost on power. Even a slight 10 degree climb makes it struggle hard.
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Yeah, the jeep could do with a little more power. I have a '45 Willy's and you'd be supprised at how well that little thing does being being powered by a L134 "Go Devil" (Hence the reason it got it's nickname "Go Devil") engine and t-84 3-speed transmisson. :)
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In real life a sherman could outmanouver an enemy panzer if it had enough room to manouver in!, i remember a dangerous tactic used by the british in the desert, where there crusader tanks had to do a mass charge to close in on the enemy for their 2 pounder guns to be effective against enemy panzers, that is alot to be desired!.
Anyways i agree, allied tanks were far more faster than the german counter-parts since the king tiger and tiger tanks were such heavy tanks and moved slower than the allied tanks, allies should clearly have the advantage of outmanouvering enemy panzers.
As i recall, 1 out of 4 shermans ended up knocking out a single tiger, so basically it takes 4 shermans to destroy a tiger unless!, the shermans could out manouver it!...
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In real life a sherman could outmanouver an enemy panzer if it had enough room to manouver in!, i remember a dangerous tactic used by the british in the desert, where there crusader tanks had to do a mass charge to close in on the enemy for their 2 pounder guns to be effective against enemy panzers, that is alot to be desired!.
Anyways i agree, allied tanks were far more faster than the german counter-parts since the king tiger and tiger tanks were such heavy tanks and moved slower than the allied tanks, allies should clearly have the advantage of outmanouvering enemy panzers.
As i recall, 1 out of 4 shermans ended up knocking out a single tiger, so basically it takes 4 shermans to destroy a tiger unless!, the shermans could out manouver it!...
Yes there is a mission in CoD2 that depicts a crusader charge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzpF1hxAokM
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And COD2 is always the best source for information. ;)
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And COD2 is always the best source for information. ;)
I'm not saying it is, i'm just pointing out that there is a mission that depicts what he said in CoD2.
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exactly, im just saying allied tanks even though you might not believe it or not, but allied tanks had much more better speed than their german counterparts, and im pretty sure a sherman is much more faster than a tiger, i mean the tigers turret rotated at a speed of like a tortoise or something, im pretty sure tiger tanks didn't rotate their turrets really really fast, because shermans had the ability to fre more rounds off than a tiger tank and could rotate their turret much more faster than a tiger tank!, just saying allied tanks need to have increased speed and turret rotation increased, because i was driving in a cromewell on operation totalize and i shot at a tiger, went to out flank him and he turned his turret towards me and fired even though my hull wasn't anywhere near his line of sight and it killed me!!.
And also their was a story of a guy in operation market garden that killed 6 tiger tanks with the British Piat Anti-tank weapon, so im pretty sure the PIAT isn't as sucky as you think it is...
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Havoc Tigercrews turned the entire Tank to aim the gun! No sane Tiger crew would try to follow an enemy with the turret!
I believe the speeds are ok atm.
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well thats what im trying to say, the turret should move really really slowly because no right tank crew would be able to follow a cromewell with its such amazing speed, hence why cromewells had good manouverability on the battlefield and could escape danger if things got sour and hurtful!...its abit stupid my cromewell succumbed to a tiger even though my tank wasn't in the tigers sights!. cos when it came up with the guy that killed me in a tiger my tank was like right near his to the right of him (left on my screen)..still makes me mad >.>
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...its abit stupid my cromewell succumbed to a tiger even though my tank wasn't in the tigers sights!. cos when it came up with the guy that killed me in a tiger my tank was like right near his to the right of him (left on my screen)..still makes me mad >.>
Are you saying the tiger wasn't aiming at you when it shot you? I'm guessing it was probably a different tiger that killed you, not the one you were aware of.
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Havoc, you have to realize that some people will raise the sensitivity of their mouse to get tank turrets to turn faster than they should. Some higher end mice even have special buttons on them that instantly change the sensitivity. There is nothing the Devs can do to prevent this, it's just a by-product of the game being on the PC. Learn to live with it, or buy a better mouse with insta-change sensitivity to compete with these people.
Also, unless you were lagging or got killed by a different Tiger than you were paying attention to, the Tiger should not be able to hit you if his turret is turned the other way. Something seems fishy about what happened there, but the turret speed on the tanks seems fine as it is right now.
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or they could just make the turret traverse and turn with the keyboard arrows. something i personaly would thing make it more realistic as the guns didnt have a "joystick" feeling when turning and so on. and this might a little bit off topic, but ill write it anyway, Could we maybe have binoculars when not using the sights? it looks so stupid when people search for tanks and the turret goes wild.
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Havoc, you have to realize that some people will raise the sensitivity of their mouse to get tank turrets to turn faster than they should. Some higher end mice even have special buttons on them that instantly change the sensitivity. There is nothing the Devs can do to prevent this, it's just a by-product of the game being on the PC. Learn to live with it, or buy a better mouse with insta-change sensitivity to compete with these people.
Also, unless you were lagging or got killed by a different Tiger than you were paying attention to, the Tiger should not be able to hit you if his turret is turned the other way. Something seems fishy about what happened there, but the turret speed on the tanks seems fine as it is right now.
Ooh, you solve another case for me! Some days ago I was looking at a Tiger and it turret moved as fast as a Shermans one, I thought I was daydreaming but your theory about mouse sensitivity explains everything.
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ya i know, i think in Red Orchestra (Darkest Hour) when your a tank commander you have binoculars at your disposal while you can look for targets from the turret which is pretty realistic...and about my cromewell/tiger engagement it did come up on the kills saying i was killed by a tiger and im pretty sure i wasnt killed by another tiger cos this was on operation totalize the canadian map...because i looked around for other enemy tanks, which there wasn't any so i went to flank the tiger, but it killed me without moving its turret all the way round to fire at me, unless he hit me with a lucky shot from the rear...
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you have binocs in RO vanilla aswell