The current state of balance (2.26)

[AdamPA1006]

You know Axis had really good chances of conquering the whole Europe there just was this one stupid guy who couldn't think more than 3 years ahead.

Russia.

They could have won in russia, or atleast captured moscow. Hitler was retarded and sent his armour to the south instead of straight for the capital. And the yugoslav campaign hindered Barbarossa

[Strat_84]

Sgt.Radman -> In case you didn't get it, I was ironic. 

[THeTA0123]

You know Axis had really good chances of conquering the whole Europe there just was this one stupid guy who couldn't think more than 3 years ahead.

Russia.

^this

Hitler.
He was a man perfect to bring germany back from ruins.
He was the worst man to lead germany to war.

Why did he went to war? What if he just said=ok lets get along. What if germany never went to war...

Instead of us discussing about the war, why not discuss why Hitler even went to war...

[Sgt.Radman]

Sgt.Radman -> In case you didn't get it, I was ironic. 

Ye I got that. I was just examining the whole situation. And applying common facts 2 history thus coming out with a conclusion about what was or what is.

[Ciupita]

You know Axis had really good chances of conquering the whole Europe there just was this one stupid guy who couldn't think more than 3 years ahead.

Russia.

^this

Hitler.
He was a man perfect to bring germany back from ruins.
He was the worst man to lead germany to war.

Why did he went to war? What if he just said=ok lets get along. What if germany never went to war...

Instead of us discussing about the war, why not discuss why Hitler even went to war...

Hitler was political genius (don't take this wrong. He was master of controlling masses and speaking) but one of the worst war leaders in the world. If he would have stayed in his politics, germany could have won the war. Or maybe he could have avoided the war with western allies.

[kingtiger1891]

War is far more than tank battle. Hitler never had enough resources to conquer Russia, he may got a chance if he conquer the whole western Europe first in 1940.


But does Hitler have some relation to the "current state of balance"?

[kingtiger1891]

Btw, I don't always speak for axis armor, if you find any example in favor of the alllied and also shows the "inconsistency", I'll support you.

[Chariot]

Can my vote be switched over from 'German army is underpowered' to 'Historical accuracy>Balance'?

[Paavopesusieni]

You know Axis had really good chances of conquering the whole Europe there just was this one stupid guy who couldn't think more than 3 years ahead.

Russia.

Attack to Soviet Union was delayed, Hitler was stupid and split up his forces, oilfields should have been priority but Stalingrad had "Stalin" in its name so Hitler wanted it. You know Axis would have won Russia alone any day without Hitler. Allies even made up assassination plan for killing Hitler but never executed it as they figured out that war will be won faster with him in charge. Also Hitler was fighting on many fronts, simply stupid.

[Sgt.Radman]

You know Axis had really good chances of conquering the whole Europe there just was this one stupid guy who couldn't think more than 3 years ahead.

Russia.

Attack to Soviet Union was delayed, Hitler was stupid and split up his forces, oilfields should have been priority but Stalingrad had "Stalin" in its name so Hitler wanted it. You know Axis would have won Russia alone any day without Hitler. Allies even made up assassination plan for killing Hitler but never executed it as they figured out that war will be won faster with him in charge. Also Hitler was fighting on many fronts, simply stupid.

If he DID conquer it the name would maybe be changed to Hitlerburg?

[THeTA0123]

War is far more than tank battle. Hitler never had enough resources to conquer Russia, he may got a chance if he conquer the whole western Europe first in 1940.


But does Hitler have some relation to the "current state of balance"?

well ye. What if he used the forces he used for Operation barbarossa to invade Great britain?
Or for the NA theathre?

Victory... 

No hitler was dumb, sended his summer equipped german forces into the harsh lands of russia..and lost the war.


You are correct.WW2 wassent a tank battle alone. Germany was only ahead of Tank development, but they sucked in the otherimportant aspects=Infantery equipment, Artillery(Both field as AA), naval warfare and the most important part of any army=Logistics

[Butcher]

Hitler was simply dumb when it came to the leading of an army :

- not allowing the 6th army to retreat from stalingrad
- rushing the new panther tanks to kursk before the early problems have been solved
- to have these new tanks at kursk he delayed the attack so that the russians could prepare their defences  well
- not allowing the stg44 to be used earlier (it was developed without his knowledge in 1943)
- not allowing the me262 to be used as an interceptor (which it obviously was), instead it became the "blitzbomber" a job where its advantages became useless

i could go on but those are the things that come to my mind now

[Battlefieldfan45 (CroPanzer)]

I think we got the idea he was stupid
Defeating the Brits should've been his first objective...
Also he thought that the war would be over in a matter of months or at max a year!
So the industry wasn't mobilized. All sorts of schetches were disregarded as unneccesary because the war would be over soon...

[Butcher]

War is far more than tank battle. Hitler never had enough resources to conquer Russia, he may got a chance if he conquer the whole western Europe first in 1940.


But does Hitler have some relation to the "current state of balance"?

well ye. What if he used the forces he used for Operation barbarossa to invade Great britain?
Or for the NA theathre?

Victory... 

No hitler was dumb, sended his summer equipped german forces into the harsh lands of russia..and lost the war.


You are correct.WW2 wassent a tank battle alone. Germany was only ahead of Tank development, but they sucked in the otherimportant aspects=Infantery equipment, Artillery(Both field as AA), naval warfare and the most important part of any army=Logistics

well ww2 wasnt a tank battle alone, but to say the whole german army sucked at infantry equipment is simply false:
compared to what? the garand? only the americans had semi auto rifles as a standard infantry weapon. the german tactics in 1944 revolved around the mg42 and mg 34 to be the centre of infantry fights ... i personally would prefer to have a kar98k supported by a mg42 than having only garands and bars.
The russians and brits also used bolt action rifles and the enfield and kar98k are considered the best bolt action rifles ever made.
Another example are the grenades: the stiehlhandgranate could be carried with you easier and could be thrown further than those pineapple grenades - another invention would be the stg44 wich although not a standard rifle revolutionated infantry warfare.
germans sucked at artillery and aa? yeah tell that the 88mm ...
you are right on the logistics though... but if you fight on 3 fronts what do you expect?
if you like it or not a shitload of tactics and weapons used today is copied from german stuff from ww2 (rockets, jet planes, assault rifles, tactics, even the so called fritz helmet in the us army).

the other armies excelled at certain aspects too.
i dont say yeah german army wtfpwns ... but saying tehy SUCKED at every other part than tank combat is simply ignorant.

[Chadoi]

You know Axis had really good chances of conquering the whole Europe there just was this one stupid guy who couldn't think more than 3 years ahead.

Hitler wasn't the only reason for Germany being defeated you know 

If it wasn't for Hitler, Nazi Germany wouldn't have even got as far as Poland. Also, to be fair, do you not think that other countries would have also developed and become stronger in those '3 years' you talk about. Nazi Germany was not the only country developing advanced technology, most of which was only rushed into service in the years such as 44/45 because of their terrible situation in the war. I think you should make more balanced statements.