Forgotten Hope 2 > Suggestions
Facelifting old & disliked maps
Turkish007:
Good evening fellow FH2 people,
Playing on some older (Mostly North Africa maps), I realized that most people on the server feel like "ugh, not this map again" and leave the server once the map comes up. Some maps seem to have lost their appeal to the players compared to the newer Western and Eastern front maps.
The FH2 mappers have obviously improved themselves as they gained more experienced so the older maps lack some cosmetic features. Some things that come to my mind initially is well distributed grass, stones and detailed rubble, etc... Not to mention that older maps have vanilla BF2 statics in them (like BF2 sandbags and buildings) which are obviously of lower quality compared to the later ones made by FH2 developers.
As far as I remember, a few updates ago Bardia received a facelift. It seems that mostly cosmetic changes have been made like lighting and the skybox (the images on FH2 website belong to the old version, you can compare the current version to it) and even this had drastically recovered Bardia's popularity among players. Less people leaving the server, less complaints in the chat.
And I think it is appropriate to state that one of the things that make FH2 still popular is its high quality content, which some of these maps fail to match cosmetically in my opinion.
Here are some maps that pop into my mind:
Siege of Tobruk
Invasion of Crete
Fall of Tobruk
Mersa Matruh
Operation Supercharge
Mareth Line
All these maps could be given a second chance because some of them have a lot of potential when it comes to gameplay. What do you guys think?
Cheers,
Turkish007
Flippy Warbear:
I love the idea, sadly singleplayer goes out of order if we touch any statics, ie. switching BF2 sandbags to FH2 versions.
Slayer:
--- Quote from: Turkish007 on 01-01-2019, 18:01:33 ---Here are some maps that pop into my mind:
Siege of Tobruk
Invasion of Crete
Fall of Tobruk
Mersa Matruh
Operation Supercharge
Mareth Line
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I agree with you on the cosmetic part, but if a map is not "beautiful" (very subjective ofc) but in the meantime it plays well, then the problem is not too big, imo. The work to be done is, however and has several drawbacks (like the SP thing, but also the delay on work on newr maps and fronts).
Personally the maps which need a makeover the most are:
1) Operation Supercharge - balance is totally out of the window. Even if teams are stacked towards the allied side, the Germans will win.
2) Operation Hyacinth - the same, just the teams switched: allies will win this always.
3) Mareth Line - the latest makeover overdid it imo, but bakance is OK-ish.
Turkish007:
--- Quote from: Flippy Warbear on 01-01-2019, 19:01:41 ---I love the idea, sadly singleplayer goes out of order if we touch any statics, ie. switching BF2 sandbags to FH2 versions.
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So do you mean the lack of manpower issue applies more so to the singleplayer department rather than the mapping department?
--- Quote from: Slayer on 01-01-2019, 20:01:26 ---I agree with you on the cosmetic part, but if a map is not "beautiful" (very subjective ofc) but in the meantime it plays well, then the problem is not too big, imo. The work to be done is, however and has several drawbacks (like the SP thing, but also the delay on work on newr maps and fronts).
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I do also think that the gameplay issue is overally more important compared to cosmetic issues, but apparently a big group of players think cosmetic issues are much more important. At least many of them leaving the server once a well playing but not so good looking map comes on indicates that.
Flippy Warbear:
--- Quote from: Turkish007 on 02-01-2019, 13:01:40 ---
So do you mean the lack of manpower issue applies more so to the singleplayer department rather than the mapping department?
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You could say so, yes. We currently have only one person who can do navmeshing and he has a ton of other work. And if you ask me, the stuff he is working on is far more important than the single player stuff. But yeah, this has been discussed before and very recently on our discord server too. If we had a person who was willing and capable of facelifting AND navmeshing old maps, we could perhaps consider this option. I personally would love to see some of the older maps getting some love, other than gameplay fixes (which of course are very important too).
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