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Offline Musti

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M2 Browning
« on: 19-03-2012, 12:03:07 »
In this episode of "Musti suggests"

I'd like to suggest slight improvement of M2 Browning HMG.
Right now its (i think) 2nd worst machinegun in the game(if not THE worst). Compared to any other mounted MG, it has slow ROF, short belt (100rd, compared to MG42's 250rd), its hard to aim, swings around like a lump of lead (esp.mounted on Willys jeep, good luck with shooting anything with it, while on the move) and offers almost no advantage of it being HMG (.50 BMG and stuff), Oh and it overheats very quickly.

So, my idea is to maybe give it a tiny little bit of splash damage? and/or massive suppression effect (I don't actually know how suppression works. Can you give different suppression power to different weapons?). Now, i know that devs are against wall-piercing abilities of guns, so thats out. but there must be a way to make this MG useful without breaking it, 'cause right now it doesn't feel like a HMG should.
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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #1 on: 19-03-2012, 13:03:40 »
Isn't that the same MG as on the M3A1 halftrack? It's quite good actually when used correctly... That is out of range of the average riflemen...


But I'm all for upping MG supression effects... Right now you're most of the time a sitting duck and you get shot even if you're firing at the guy in front of you... Also you should be able to duck in the Willis too, because if you park it behind a ridge it's the natural thing to do if someone is shooting at you, although it will be almost useless when in plain open field.

In addition ducking is A MUST in cupolas without mounted MGs... I mean in Sherman II and Pz III etc. It's probably the worst postion to sit in as you have no way to get in cover unless nobody is on the hull MG.

..And don't tell me engine limitations... they managed to do it BFH, means it's probably possible here too.
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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #2 on: 19-03-2012, 15:03:49 »
I think the biggestproblem of the M2 is sctually not it beld or firing speed, but the position you firing it from. You cant shot those guys on halftracks often even while there moving and even if they stand and they have to first shot you can kill them far to often - with a rifle of course. And I am speaking as someone who usually is in the German team.

On the other hand its damage espacially against halftracks armord cars and other light vehicles shouldnt be underestimated. it can rip a German halftrack apart in seconds.

I have to say that I wouldnt want splash damage for that think since it didnt have explosive rounds (at least not the ones on halftracks - Am I right?) Also imagine that thing having splash damage one the quad trailor (The American AA emplacement) it would be the ultimated spawnraping machine. And spawnraping with that think is very easy even without splash damage.



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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #3 on: 19-03-2012, 16:03:40 »
On Ramelle you can do quite well with the mounted Browning in the house that looks exactly like in the movie. Only way i get killed there is by Tigers and Guys coming up the stairs. I dont remember getting killed there from the front.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #4 on: 19-03-2012, 16:03:32 »
Yeah but that's an M1919 mmg, not an M2 HMG.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #5 on: 19-03-2012, 18:03:52 »
I think the biggest problem is, still, the damage it deals. It is very low against trucks and anything it can penetrate....

This thing Chewed trough Anything under a Panzer III, it was so awesome , it penetrated an ME109 engine block and the bullet still came out the other way

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On the other hand its damage espacially against halftracks armord cars and other light vehicles shouldnt be underestimated. it can rip a German halftrack apart in seconds.

No it doesnt, it takes way to long on some vehicles. And the MG42 mounted on Hanomag can ALSO penetrate M3/M5 halftrack wich gives away the M2's advantage

If a Hanomag and M3 starts to fire at eachother, the Hanomag INSTANT wins every single time with MG42

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #6 on: 19-03-2012, 18:03:47 »
I think the biggest problem is, still, the damage it deals. It is very low against trucks and anything it can penetrate....

This thing Chewed trough Anything under a Panzer III, it was so awesome , it penetrated an ME109 engine block and the bullet still came out the other way

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On the other hand its damage espacially against halftracks armord cars and other light vehicles shouldnt be underestimated. it can rip a German halftrack apart in seconds.

No it doesnt, it takes way to long on some vehicles. And the MG42 mounted on Hanomag can ALSO penetrate M3/M5 halftrack wich gives away the M2's advantage

If a Hanomag and M3 starts to fire at eachother, the Hanomag INSTANT wins every single time with MG42
Mostly because MG42 gunner has a shield.
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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #7 on: 19-03-2012, 18:03:38 »
give the cal50 some splashdamage and its good.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #8 on: 19-03-2012, 19:03:34 »
so in order to make the splashdamage even remotely useful, the radius would have to be at least a meter or so, which opens up ugly possibilities of glitching it, by shooting at a wall where there is soldiers hiding behind it. Those soldiers will not understand why they keep taking damage even though they are proning behind a thick concrete wall or even sandbags.

I also think there has been some work done on 'fiftiez' already, because I agree with pretty much all the points, it is kind of a useless gun currently.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #9 on: 19-03-2012, 22:03:54 »

No it doesnt, it takes way to long on some vehicles. And the MG42 mounted on Hanomag can ALSO penetrate M3/M5 halftrack wich gives away the M2's advantage

If a Hanomag and M3 starts to fire at eachother, the Hanomag INSTANT wins every single time with MG42

MG42 takes way longer to actuallydestroy  halftrack. And yes the M2 relly ripps through halftracks, its big disadvantage is again the fireing position without a shield and the guy standing in the halftrack,of course he looses instantly agaisnt an MG42 thats the only reason they loose all the time.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #10 on: 20-03-2012, 00:03:04 »
Just an idea:
Maybe a different firing position for the gunner will help his vulnerability a bit. If I remember correctly right now the Browning gunner fires from the waist, standing upright. But maybe he can be modelled to 'kneel' behind the MG, aiming down it's barrel, in alt-fire. You're a slightly smaller target that way.
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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #11 on: 20-03-2012, 16:03:45 »
Should be more powerful against half tracks, planes and trucks, other than that. Leave the tanks alone for balancing purposes. Splash damage, I dont think so, it is a 50 cal but it's ball ammo, not high explosive or incendiary or anything of the sort. And just 2 rounds should kill a player.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #12 on: 21-03-2012, 12:03:47 »
Does somebody know how those gunners were trained to fire the gun, talking about firing position?

If the very high firing position is historicaly accurate, then yes it should stay as it is. The much higher penetration compensates it in my opinion.

If the firing position is inaccurate it shoud definitly be changed.

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #13 on: 05-04-2012, 00:04:15 »
Should be more powerful against half tracks, planes and trucks, other than that. Leave the tanks alone for balancing purposes. Splash damage, I dont think so, it is a 50 cal but it's ball ammo, not high explosive or incendiary or anything of the sort. And just 2 rounds should kill a player.

Sorry mate, but this thing should instantly kill any infantryman at almost any range. In reality, a Browning M2
can easily tear an entire limb off a person with one single hit, also at longer ranges. The M2 is one of the greatest machineguns because of alot of reasons, but one of the most imminent one is simply its lethal firing power. There's nothing that a good ole Browning canna kill (except tanks, that is)  :P .
As for splash damage, I disagree too since it wouldn't improve the situation much (it's not representing the M2 realistically). The round should have better penetrating values and, if possible, make soldiers who are hit by it fly backwards because of the impact (just a little; this is not supposed to be Hollywood).

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Re: M2 Browning
« Reply #14 on: 05-04-2012, 00:04:08 »
Even a 50 cal won't make you fly.  In order to provide enough power to make you fly, the 50 cal would have to make the user fly backwards, basic physics (Newton's Third Law of Motion: "The mutual forces of action and reaction between two bodies are equal, opposite and collinear").

It might take an arm off, it might kill you instantly causing you to drop like a sack of potatoes.  You won't fly.