The Great Firearms-Thread

[THeTA0123]

Thats not much dude.....

[sn00x]

i saw one at Cabelas for 3200$ when i was in minnesota, even that was rather cheap

[THeTA0123]

In Belgium, a G43 even in bad condition, costs you ATLEAST 2500 euro's. Then im talking about a worn out demill one

[Rabbit032]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3 

I can, I think the mg3 is junk. All of the Germans I have worked with have wanted a m249/m240 type. The MG3's super high rate of fire makes it shake WAY to much, causing you to walk off target not to mention how quickly it burns through ammo. Hell half the reason it looks easier to control is the slower rate of rife on it.

[Hjaldrgud]

Just finished service in the norwegian army. The MG3 there was old as dirt and just garbage. 40 years old, only thing replaced were their barrels. Heavy as fuaark, need one gunner and one loader that carries the ammunition in a backpack that is even heavier than fuark. After firing and you opened it up for cleaning, it was dirtier than Jabba the Hut's crapper after a hangover. It jams if you get one corn of sand in there, and it will continue to jam every second bullet if you don't remove the corn.
The recoil... *on target*BRR**off target*RRRRRRRRRRRRR
Every MG gunner and loader hated it, and hated their lives when they had to drag that weapon around. It had it's golden time, but now it is just... Good riddance

The plus is awesome firepower, and the fact that it is the daughter of the MG42.

The army is replacing them with Minimi's now, allowing two(!) MG's in a 8-man squad.

[THeTA0123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3 

I can, I think the mg3 is junk. All of the Germans I have worked with have wanted a m249/m240 type. The MG3's super high rate of fire makes it shake WAY to much, causing you to walk off target not to mention how quickly it burns through ammo. Hell half the reason it looks easier to control is the slower rate of rife on it.

The MG3 only works properly with its Tripod yes. Regarding its ROF, it actually hinders it more then it helps. Just as the WW2 MG 42. it was even over-kill with short bursts.

But german fanboys do not believe such blasphemy!

[Zeno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDSRzAypjg

look at the recoil of bundeswehr newes toy


there is barely any!

Still a vintage person tough..cant believe they are gonna replace MG3 

I can, I think the mg3 is junk. All of the Germans I have worked with have wanted a m249/m240 type. The MG3's super high rate of fire makes it shake WAY to much, causing you to walk off target not to mention how quickly it burns through ammo. Hell half the reason it looks easier to control is the slower rate of rife on it.

its a hard weapon to control indeed, but bear in mind that it was never designed for picking of solo infantry, its was designed as an area denial weapon that would stop the enemy from shooting back at you. that job it does pretty well as nothing says "GTFO" like a hailstorm of 7.62 spraying you each time you pop your head up 

[Heinrich (Mr.Uniwersum_GER)]

A friend told to me that we here in Germany still use old MG 42s they got new stamped and reequipped  to the Nato caliber, I have seen it myself , seems like good technology to me

[THeTA0123]

Even a WW1 vickers gun can be an effective weapon even today. You just need to use it in the correct way.

Because no modern machinegun will match the suppresive fire of a MG42. Nor will any modern machinegun have the endurance a Vickers/maxim has.
Yes mobility.... But when you are defending, it doesnt matter

[Rabbit032]

Yes mobility.... But when you are defending, it doesnt matter,unless it is of course a chauchat

Fixed

[THeTA0123]

Aint nothing wrong with the chauchat my friend. A late war Chauchat with enclosed magazines and out of the trenches was as reliable enough for combat.


Another thing i once read, is that Rof on assault rifles is overrated. When it came to sustained fire, because of overheating with both the M16 and AK47, both weapons could only manage a 15 Rounds a minute operation....Simular to bolt action rifles of WW2.

[Comrade Roe]

Mini-14 (M1A Springfield of a sort chambered in .223/5.56x45mm) is wonderful with a red dot sight. Light recoil, easy target acquisition, no wonder the Army used to have a 7.62x51mm/.308 version! Or for that matter, still keep a semi automatic version as a marksman rifle.

Also, a Remington 700 in .243 has a little kick but I think I'm just weak. Then again, in my view, any gun that doesn't jam every 5 seconds or break your arm firing is a good gun. 

[Rabbit032]

Mini-14 (M1A Springfield of a sort chambered in .223/5.56x45mm) is wonderful with a red dot sight. Light recoil, easy target acquisition, no wonder the Army used to have a 7.62x51mm/.308 version! Or for that matter, still keep a semi automatic version as a marksman rifle.

The m14 pretty good but we could have easily survived without them. If anything the XM2010 is an amazing weapon, and we had one with us on about every mission. The m14 also has a lot of recoil, and you only feel it more in the EBR.

You also can't clean the EBR either, it requires a pretty high up armorer which causes it to start failing at the end of a rotation. Its an old weapon and tried to re-invent, its time to move on from it as it has more problems then benefits.

[VonMudra]

Friend of mine is a Major in the US Army, with multiple tours in Iraq, and heading to A-stan shortly.  He'd disagree...he equipped half his company with old wood stocked M14 rifles they found in storage in Kuwait (prob left over from the gulf war), and they used them to quite good effect, loving their stopping power and range.

[Rabbit032]

Friend of mine is a Major in the US Army, with multiple tours in Iraq, and heading to A-stan shortly.  He'd disagree...he equipped half his company with old wood stocked M14 rifles they found in storage in Kuwait (prob left over from the gulf war), and they used them to quite good effect, loving their stopping power and range.

Cool, a major? I actually carried one on most of my combat patrols, and actually being an NCO, i go out on a lot of missions, its over rated when you have snipers with you. Very jr enlisted got CCO's, everyone else got acogs and then our snipers had 2 XM2010's and a Barret. Its just a pointless weapon when you have all that at your disposal. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the wood stock over EBR as it has more of a natural flow with its recoil rather than the EBR's annoying jerk. But again, with the equipment we had at hand for every mission (especially CAS) it's useless, its that awkward equipment we had that's job was already being covered.