Planes Armored Canopy

[Berkolok]

Yesterday in siege of tobruk map i was flying with junker 87 and i killed in canopy 2 times in row they should have protection at least they can protect from carro armado mgs not only stukas there %50 change that i can killed in canopy in dogfights and i hate this plane have full hp and i already killed

[VonMudra]

Most canopies were not armoured.  Some eventually got bullet resistent glass to the front.  Other than that, the seats were usually armoured for the pilot to protect from rear MG fire and shrapnel.

Mostly though, if a bullet hit the canopy, it was going through it.

[Berkolok]

but at least they can give little bit cover

[Gunnerz]

Ju87 isnt very damage resistant and aluminium/plexiglass doest provide much cover against high caliber mg's/cannons.

Thats how it was in reality.

[Gunnerz]

HS129, Ilyushin Il-2, did have lots of armour plates/armoured glass.

And the P-47, F6F, F4U, F4F etc.

[THeTA0123]

American planes where very well armoured all around. Especialy the P47, P39, P40, F6F and others aswel. Luftwaffe pilots, even aces, all made reports at how sturdy these planes could be. i forgot his name, but one luftwaffe ace, flying his FW-190, unloaded all of its ammo on a single P47 and it dint brought him down.

But even a single rifle calibre bullet could bring a plane down. Trough the canopy, or trough the engine block, hitting the cooling system if it was a liquid cooled engine like the IL-2

[VonMudra]

Yeah, those were ground attack.  And IL's weren't too well armoured.  The crew sat in an armoured bathtub basically, but the tail was extremely weak.  The author in I think Panzer Gunner notes watching an IL-2 get shot down by MG42 fire that was directed at the tail, and basically sheered it clear off.

And yes, that story is quite accurate Theta, but he pumped all his ammo into the planes back and wings.  The pilot's story noted that he was also wounded by bullets quite a few times, which went through his armoured seat, but luckily none of the 20mm's hit his seat.


The end point is, even the P-47's canopy couldn't stop bullets.  There were few planes with all round armoured cockpits (Hs-129) comes to mind, but most was just plexiglass or actual glass.  The few fighters with armoured cockpits only had the extra thick glass blocks on the front windscreen, to protect the pilots against enemy bomber return fire.

And yeah, Ju-87 is basically thin metal frame and plexiglass...no protection there.  Attacking ground troops was difficult, and shoot downs were commonplace.

[THeTA0123]

you posted that before yes

For what the IL2 was designed for, it was extremely armoured yes.the wings, the fuselage, the armoured bathtub

The tail, well, every plane its tail is weak actually.
Thats why the IL-10 was developed. It was much faster to avoid small calibre AA fire, the tail section got uparmoured, and the engine armouring got redesigned aswel.

None the less, the IL-2 was still one heck of a bitch to shoot down. When they attacked, they attacked in large numbers. And the forward firepower was intense.

The IL-2M with the 23mm yGA VYa cannons for example. The rapid fire SHKAS MG's. And the berezin 12.7mm rear gun. Then 400-600KG bomb load.
And then the Il-2 Type 3M. of wich 6000 where made(Also in time for the battle of kursk). Armed with 2 37mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-37 autocannons. And 200KG bomb load. Less effective against tanks tough then the Stuka-G kannonevogel. The first 2 rounds where accurate and could destroy tanks, but any shots behind that gaver poorer accuracy and heavy recoil wich made aiming difficult..


the IL-2 was amazing. But like german panzers, it is a victim of folklore, romantizing fanboys who overrate it. Because any plane can be shot down.

[Natty]

for game play reasons it makes no sense to be fragged in the cockpit, no. I will look in to it.

@ the history mod; at ease.

[DLFReporter]

Why shouldn't it make sense?
When you manage to shoot a guy through the glass, then he should die. That was a nice introduction to BF2 in it's days.

[Sagal]

DON'T YOU DARE to change it! It's so fun to shoot pilots with mg42 (Only thing why I like Cobra)

[Alakazou]

for game play reasons it makes no sense to be fragged in the cockpit, no. I will look in to it.

@ the history mod; at ease.

Ok that's stupid... I didn't critize you for all your bad move... but that's enough. It's a great gameplay feature had by bf2 in the bf game. The gunner on stuka (an other plane) would be worthless.

[Natty]

miscommunication between modellers and game play designers.

[LuckyOne]

for game play reasons it makes no sense to be fragged in the cockpit, no. I will look in to it.

@ the history mod; at ease.

Well for game play reasons it doesn't but I still like it... It's epic when you manage to shoo the guy in the cockpit and it only happens on average once in ten times anyway. Maybe if you could make it so you only get wounded and you need to bail out to survive it would add another dimension to the game, but as the wounded screen doesn't work for everyone I guess it wouldn't really work...

[hitm4k3r]

for game play reasons it makes no sense to be fragged in the cockpit, no. I will look in to it.

@ the history mod; at ease.

Can you give me those gameplay reasons? It is more consistent for the player if he can get fragged out of his cockpit. It is the same reason why people can get fragged out of Kubels or Jeeps though the windscreen. Do you really want to remove this?

My advise: leave it as it is and don't touch things that aren't broken. If people had a problem with this feature they would have allready told it, so don't worry