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Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« on: 14-12-2015, 17:12:40 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbduDRH2m2M

Look who's back...and with reinforcements  8)
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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #1 on: 14-12-2015, 18:12:48 »
Alien invasion of america i mean world are my favorite movies of all time

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #2 on: 14-12-2015, 18:12:03 »
This is gonna suck :D

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #3 on: 14-12-2015, 18:12:22 »
I really hope it won't end with the aliens being defeated with a gimmick like a virus/disease/water. It would be cool to see an alien movie where humanity wins just by uniting and fighting together conventionally. No silly superweapons.
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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #5 on: 14-12-2015, 19:12:22 »
I really hope it won't end with the aliens being defeated with a gimmick like a virus/disease/water. It would be cool to see an alien movie where humanity wins just by uniting and fighting together conventionally. No silly superweapons.
Don't hate on War of the Worlds.  It's a good book and none of the films have done it proper justice.  The 50s one came closest, I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle:_Los_Angeles

Also a shit movie. 

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #6 on: 14-12-2015, 19:12:27 »
Battle: LA has aliens being defeated because of one behind the lines guy destroying a command center, which then turns the aliens into pussies. Sounds pretty gimmicky to me. And it was a shitty movie, to add to that. I'm talking about a proper war movie, with massive battles with 20 soldiers dying for every one alien and without any of that special forces bullshit. A bit like how Edge of Tomorrow started, just without the time travelling crap.

You know, aliens think humans are weak because they're not united so they decide to invade. Humans band together and kick the aliens to kingdom come by shooting them in the face. Imagine World War II, but with aliens instead of Nazis. Just a simple misjudgment by the aliens. It should have a similar feeling to Mass Effect 3 without the final 10 minutes. It's pure resilience and numbers that eventually brings victory, no super weapons, no cutting off the head of the snake. Just lots of bullets and bombs.
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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #7 on: 14-12-2015, 20:12:18 »
Starship Troopers part 1, only really cool soldiers vs aliens movie since Alien by Scott.

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #8 on: 14-12-2015, 22:12:49 »
Battle: LA has aliens being defeated because of one behind the lines guy destroying a command center, which then turns the aliens into pussies. Sounds pretty gimmicky to me. And it was a shitty movie, to add to that. I'm talking about a proper war movie, with massive battles with 20 soldiers dying for every one alien and without any of that special forces bullshit. A bit like how Edge of Tomorrow started, just without the time travelling crap.

You know, aliens think humans are weak because they're not united so they decide to invade. Humans band together and kick the aliens to kingdom come by shooting them in the face. Imagine World War II, but with aliens instead of Nazis. Just a simple misjudgment by the aliens. It should have a similar feeling to Mass Effect 3 without the final 10 minutes. It's pure resilience and numbers that eventually brings victory, no super weapons, no cutting off the head of the snake. Just lots of bullets and bombs.

Oh yah, it's a terrible movie, but at least it IS technically military win.  Otherwise, I know not of any that fit that bill.

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #9 on: 14-12-2015, 23:12:16 »
ID4 the original worked partly because it was campy even by standards of the day. Judging by the trailer, the sequel does not seem to understand this.

Battlesh.. sh... ship and Battle: LA failed partly, because they took an inherently campy concept and played it super straight but without even a trace of irony (except that extremely forced "They ain't gonna sink this battleship!"), never mind making the aliums as tough or weak as each scene required with no particular logic. Oh, and both had a cliched story with no meat to sink one's tentacles into, plus godawful acting through and through, and Battle LA's SHAKYCAM TURNED UP TO ELEVEN almost made me vomit.

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Starship Troopers isn't even in the same galaxy, it's a classic because it works on so many levels. It's basically just a framework for Verhoeven to play a satire of contemporary America (which understandably felt exaggerated in 1997, but not nearly as much in 2015, proof of a visionary). The genius is in it that it has found resonance in both those who liked the book and those who hated it. Plus, the aesthetics appeal to the inner fascist in all of us, plus it's still an enjoyable action film with an inherent awareness of what made the 80's action movies (which were admittedly quite often pure propaganda) so great. Much like Team America, people from left and right like it.

Yes, book purists are still foaming at the mouth, but as a book fan I personally enjoyed it immensely nevertheless, even without power armour, with changes to the plot, and being aware that Verhoeven purposefully misinterpreted nearly all the themes (eg. the book is actually written to oppose conscription, since in our world it offers no reward but must be performed at the peril of punishment; in the book the Federation society is explicitly stated and illustrated to be quite libertarian instead of fascist, except maybe for the frequent use for physical punishment; most of the people doing the national service are in purely civilian tasks that just happen to be boring, exhausting, dangerous, financially unviable, or a combination thereof, plus people currently in service are not allowed to vote, only those who have already left the service, so much for the military rule - "sovereign franchise" is mentioned as the only reward of the national service in the book, the phrase meaning the right to vote but often misinterpreted by non-native English speakers and/or those not familiar with political vocabulary as the right to run a business; also Rico is not a blonde Aryan from Buenos Aires - his parents were on a business trip there in the book - but a native Filipino (only apparent in the epilogue where he mentions that his mother tongue is Tagalog, though his short stature has been hinted at earlier; etc.).

Then again, I just like Verhoeven's style.
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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #10 on: 15-12-2015, 16:12:25 »
I am really looking forward to this. ID4 is still among my personal favorite movies of all times (I have a strange taste). Yes, it is not quite logical in some scenes and the "hurray 'murica saves the day" partiotism is quite debateable, but it came with irony and was so exaggerated that you didn't take it too seriously. The film offers a lot of cool destruction scenes, which were filmed on scale models, not CGI as today. The buddy part of the story between jeff goldblum and will smith was also very enjoyable. Overall I still could rewatch it every evening.

Atleast judging from the trailer the new film offers a lot of references to the original one. If the film also offers the irony and a equally nice story and footage, then it sure will be an enjoyable film. I really hope for it.

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #11 on: 15-12-2015, 16:12:44 »
ID4 is campy? That is just your western elitist standard. :D

I was in Shanghai during the ID4 hey day. A 1996 communist Shanghai without the Chinese economy boom hype crap, just Chinese being Chinese. From the boisterous TV ads they show there, a 10 year old me never thought about China ever being the "enemy" of US. Then I moved to Singapore a week later, the same craze about ID4. Back to Hong Kong, even crazier crowds for ID4, wackier promotional tie-ins, and never ending TV ads. Even my grandma who is notoriously xenophobic love to see it. ID4 really struck massive awe amongst the Asians. I guess we are suckers for realism, no matter how crappy the plot or the logic is. It has to be live action, played by real people, featuring realistically rendered alien/fantasy stuffs, and a bit of serious shit like US politicians doing drama and acting cool. Just like Transformers or Battleship. Yes, Transformers 4, the coolest movie a Chinese has ever seen in this centre of the universe.

My only gripe is that in ID4, the whole world is overstocked with F/A-18s, both Israel and Iraq. McDonnell Douglas must be rich as hell.

Starship Troopers' satirical militaristic recruitment ads does touch my inner Indonesian-educated feelings a bit. It shows how much fascism (or nationalism as people in third world says) is still revered in our country. Violent and manly, nothing is more fitting for ultra-conservative developing world.

You know, aliens think humans are weak because they're not united so they decide to invade. Humans band together and kick the aliens to kingdom come by shooting them in the face. Imagine World War II, but with aliens instead of Nazis. Just a simple misjudgment by the aliens. It should have a similar feeling to Mass Effect 3 without the final 10 minutes. It's pure resilience and numbers that eventually brings victory, no super weapons, no cutting off the head of the snake. Just lots of bullets and bombs.

Some idea for Hollywood-ish "modern twist" on the plot: the alien understand the racist, bullying, and activist nature of humankind. So they exploit it against us.  ;D
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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #12 on: 15-12-2015, 16:12:55 »
Battle: LA has aliens being defeated because of one behind the lines guy destroying a command center, which then turns the aliens into pussies. Sounds pretty gimmicky to me. And it was a shitty movie, to add to that. I'm talking about a proper war movie, with massive battles with 20 soldiers dying for every one alien and without any of that special forces bullshit. A bit like how Edge of Tomorrow started, just without the time travelling crap.

You know, aliens think humans are weak because they're not united so they decide to invade. Humans band together and kick the aliens to kingdom come by shooting them in the face. Imagine World War II, but with aliens instead of Nazis. Just a simple misjudgment by the aliens. It should have a similar feeling to Mass Effect 3 without the final 10 minutes. It's pure resilience and numbers that eventually brings victory, no super weapons, no cutting off the head of the snake. Just lots of bullets and bombs.

Again, I'd really advise you to read H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds.  Unlike the film adaptations, which give the alien tripods invincible shields, the humans are able to put up a fight in the novel.  In one chapter, the British Army (this is set around 1900) has established a defensive line around London.  The narrator is passing through just as the aliens attack.  The ensuing battle is a little Battle of Hoth-esque.  The British artillery manages to take down a number of the tripods, but is eventually overwhelmed by their poison gas. 

The other really cool part is a later section where the narrator and scores of other refugees are boarding barges on the Thames.  All of a sudden, a trio of tripods appear out of the water to vaporize them.  However, just in the nick of time, a British torpedo-ram, the HMS Thunder Child, appears to save the day, knocking out all three with its guns and its ram before being destroyed.  It's the novel's brief hope spot, where it looks like the aliens might actually be beatable after all.  But in the distance, more alien tripods are seen landing...  All in all it's one of my favourite literary chapters and if I ever get a boat I'm naming it Thunder Child.

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Re: Independence day: Resurgence (2016)
« Reply #13 on: 16-12-2015, 08:12:02 »
Alien invasion of america i mean world are my favorite movies of all time

AKA i am so gonna watch this

 As soon as Belgium releases a sci fy movie, they can have aliens invade brussles!

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