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Title: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Remdul on 23-12-2009, 22:12:10
A thundering fat beauty...and an accurate punch. Oh and some guy with a cat...

Now with 50% less dream crushing.

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It's up: http://www.fhmod.org/main.php?lang=english&id_news=304
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paasky on 23-12-2009, 22:12:27
Oh and some guy with a cat...

Blitzkrieg Kitten!!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 22:12:57
Oh and some guy with a cat...

Blitzkrieg Kitten!!

We only stop to kill and for kittens, PANZERS, OUT!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 23-12-2009, 22:12:31
WHen can we expect the update?
Soon or more later? ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Strat_84 on 23-12-2009, 23:12:13
With the following clues I would say: Jagdpanther or Jagdtiger  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: siben on 23-12-2009, 23:12:14
Cant wait to see what it is!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:07
A thundering fat beauty...and an accurate punch.

wolverine?

I meant hellcat
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 23-12-2009, 23:12:35
Why would they showcase something that has already been shown like an year ago?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-12-2009, 23:12:05
and that I have already blown up...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 23-12-2009, 23:12:35
Thundering and fat and beauty can mean only one thing... the lady I was missing when I commented on the Mustang, even though she's a fine lass too... my beloved Jug!

But a guy with a Kittah? I would say that it's two things. Kittah is of course the long-awaited Jagdpanther, but the guy... well, American tanks were named after guys, so I'll take a guess and say M36 Jackson. Would fit since they're both tank destroyers.

This leaves only the "accurate punch"... I'll guess that it's a long-reaching fist, ie. Panzerfaust 60 or 100.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:23
Why would they showcase something that has already been shown like an year ago?

that's the m10. i haven't seen any hellcat (m18) anywhere. care to show me?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 23-12-2009, 23:12:52
Stupid kid. M10 = Wolverine. M18 = Hellcat.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 23-12-2009, 23:12:49
Hetzer, for real.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-12-2009, 23:12:57
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 23-12-2009, 23:12:25
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure

Keep your hands on the keyboard...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:50
damn it, i keep on confusing the wolverine for the hellcat. i meant hellcat.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: :| Hi on 23-12-2009, 23:12:09
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure

Keep your hands on the keyboard...

xD
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 23-12-2009, 23:12:07
Oh, and since in 45 minutes it will be December 24th according to CET (us here in the EET zone are there already), I would assume this update will be online within the hour ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 23-12-2009, 23:12:29
Less talk, more update plzkthxbye.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:18
Oh, and since in 45 minutes it will be December 24th according to CET (us here in the EET zone are there already), I would assume this update will be online within the hour ;)

12 minutes.
5:17 pm, EST
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-12-2009, 23:12:32
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure

Keep your hands on the keyboard...

I have to, I'm not alone in this room and my girlfriend might wonder why I started without her
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:10
hide the porn! quickly!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 23-12-2009, 23:12:21
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure

Keep your hands on the keyboard...

I have to, I'm not alone in this room and my girlfriend might wonder why I started without her

Deflate her and put her into a closet, then she wont be upset and wont ask questions.

Kek!


 ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:17
hehe
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-12-2009, 23:12:39
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure

Keep your hands on the keyboard...

I have to, I'm not alone in this room and my girlfriend might wonder why I started without her

Deflate her and put her into a closet, then she wont be upset and wont ask questions.

Kek!

The closet? Are you mad, she would see my mistress...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 23-12-2009, 23:12:37
We are soon on page 3 and we havent even seen the update yet. All we do is talk about wanking for Warrior humiliation and hiding blow-up dolls into closets with dominatrix's.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-12-2009, 23:12:24
Sounds like the FH forum alright
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:44
I like theWarrior being humiliated, gives me sick pleasure

Keep your hands on the keyboard...

I have to, I'm not alone in this room and my girlfriend might wonder why I started without her

Deflate her and put her into a closet, then she wont be upset and wont ask questions.

Kek!

The closet? Are you mad, she would see my mistress...

i have a solution, but you need a shovel and a shitload of lime.
(http://www.pilotmall.com/images/graphics/00000001/needle_thread_250w_ds.jpg)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cadyshack on 23-12-2009, 23:12:07
Should be out now. Oi! Where's our link!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:48
...where's the kitty? all i see is villers-bocage, a thunderbolt, a howitzer and a few reskinned vehicles.  I'm disappointed.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 23-12-2009, 23:12:10
Guy with a kitten = Wittmann. You can see his kittah in the last screenshot ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 23-12-2009, 23:12:16
...where's the kitty? all i see is villers-bocage, a thunderbolt, a howitzer and a few reskinned vehicles.  I'm disappointed.

Guy & Cat = Wittmann & Tiger tank...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:21
sorry, i had a metaphor immunization earlier.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 23-12-2009, 23:12:09
...where's the kitty? all i see is villers-bocage, a thunderbolt, a howitzer and a few reskinned vehicles.  I'm disappointed.

You Suck.



Anyways amazing Update, i dont care about the British Early War skins so, France 1940 Map! YEAH!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 23-12-2009, 23:12:21
To sum up: the Jug is enough for me to start playing an MP3 of a certain Finnish punk song as background music.

np | Klamydia - Masturbaatio ilman käsiä |
(Chlamydia - Masturbation without hands)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 23-12-2009, 23:12:28
So many Panzergrau skinned vehicle...call me crazy, but could that imply that one of the next theatres in the nearer future will be Early War theatres? ó.Ó
Ah, anyway, nice update and congrats to Guderian that his map will be included soon!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 23-12-2009, 23:12:12
minimap pls

awesome update, nice to see the heavy AT gun, will we have it on lüttich?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 23-12-2009, 23:12:20
LE FRENCH ARE HERE, MON AMI! HO-HO-HO!
(http://www.jaunted.com/files/3873/French_baguette.jpg)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cadyshack on 23-12-2009, 23:12:16
Woot @ the Jug! Although...
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In addition to the standard fighter variant, players will also be able to find P-47s armed with 10x 5" rockets, or a single 500lb bomb.

Those pics look like 2 500lb-ers.

It's full capacity would be quite unbalanced. Who wants to face the plane with 1500lbs of bombs and 6 rockets?  :P

Huzzah with the Howie carriage! Now we can have proper American arty, with a bigger AT gun (though it should be static due to its size and weight).

And Villers is cool. I played both the old and new versions.  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Alakazou on 23-12-2009, 23:12:36
Woah nice as usual :). Love the Howitzer
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 23-12-2009, 23:12:51
Woot @ the Jug! Although...
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In addition to the standard fighter variant, players will also be able to find P-47s armed with 10x 5" rockets, or a single 500lb bomb.

Those pics look like 2 500lb-ers.

It's full capacity would be quite unbalanced. Who wants to face the plane with 1500lbs of bombs and 6 rockets?  :P

Huzzah with the Howie carriage! Now we can have proper American arty, with a bigger AT gun (though it should be static due to its size and weight).

And Villers is cool. I played both the old and new versions.  ;D

But it was a feared airplane IRL.

How about its armor, i heard its pretty well armored and could resist Mg17 bullets?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 23-12-2009, 23:12:52
Even though I usually play as Germans, I would welcome a P-47 with the historically correct loadout of three 500 lb'ers and six rockets (or at least two or three 500 lb'ers), just to hear the cries of "ALLIED BIAS!" ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 23-12-2009, 23:12:39
Its finally here, thunderbolt fuck yeah! That thing is something so awesome what words cant describe. I hope those 8 50.cals work like in FH42 so that the rate of fire is FAST.

Damn I have been waiting for that so long, it was the biggest disappointment that it wasn't in 2.2 :'(.



Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Priestdk on 23-12-2009, 23:12:47
Awesome update as usualy ;-P

And merry X-mas to all :-)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-12-2009, 23:12:01
omfg  a guy with a cat i was so hoping for the M18 hellcat this is the wors........

wait a minute

M7 ANTI TANK GUN?OMFG I SUGGESTED THIS GUN AND EVERYONE CALLED IT ALLIED BIAS!

ZOMG THE HOWITZER!

THE P-47??WITH BOMBS?OM!


oh and the 3.7CM at gun and the flak and the panzer II whoo great awesome

ZOMG!Look at those Beautifull!Allied bias!

I officialy declare this update 100% Allied Bias!
Fantastic update! Really! Fantastic!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 23-12-2009, 23:12:43
Its finally here, thunderbolt fuck yeah! That thing is something so awesome what words cant describe. I hope those 8 50.cals work like in FH42 so that the rate of fire is FAST.

Damn I have been waiting for that so long, it was the biggest disappointment that it wasn't in 2.2 :'(.





Because theres no US Combined Arms Map :(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cadyshack on 23-12-2009, 23:12:56
Woot @ the Jug! Although...
Quote
In addition to the standard fighter variant, players will also be able to find P-47s armed with 10x 5" rockets, or a single 500lb bomb.

Those pics look like 2 500lb-ers.

It's full capacity would be quite unbalanced. Who wants to face the plane with 1500lbs of bombs and 6 rockets?  :P

Huzzah with the Howie carriage! Now we can have proper American arty, with a bigger AT gun (though it should be static due to its size and weight).

And Villers is cool. I played both the old and new versions.  ;D

But it was a feared airplane IRL.

How about its armor, i heard its pretty well armored and could resist Mg17 bullets?

For the most part, yes. The only way a rifle caliber is going to stop it is by plastering the engine with it. And it being a radial engine can take quite the beating. With that info, one would probably look for the pilot kill.

This brings up the report of the damaged P47 taking hundreds of rounds from a 190 and still flying. The 20mm shots must have mostly missed or did not hit critical areas, and the mgs just couldn't do the job.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 23-12-2009, 23:12:16
omfg  a guy with a cat i was so hoping for the M18 hellcat this is the wors........

wait a minute

M7 ANTI TANK GUN?OMFG I SUGGESTED THIS GUN AND EVERYONE CALLED IT ALLIED BIAS!

ZOMG THE HOWITZER!

THE P-47??WITH BOMBS?OM!


oh and the 3.7CM at gun and the flak and the panzer II whoo great awesome

ZOMG!Look at those Beautifull!Allied bias!

I officialy declare this update 100% Allied Bias!
Fantastic update! Really! Fantastic!

M5 Howitzer, not Anti Tank Gun.

Edit:
I'm stupid, sorry, you're right.

;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Strat_84 on 23-12-2009, 23:12:26
M7 ANTI TANK GUN?OMFG I SUGGESTED THIS GUN AND EVERYONE CALLED IT ALLIED BIAS!

D'oh, where did you see an M7 At gun ?

Nice drugs, may I have some ? ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cadyshack on 23-12-2009, 23:12:14
M7 ANTI TANK GUN?OMFG I SUGGESTED THIS GUN AND EVERYONE CALLED IT ALLIED BIAS!

D'oh, where did you see an M7 At gun ?

Nice drugs, may I have some ? ;D
Quote
The American M2A1 105mm Howitzer, and with it the 3-inch M5 anti-tank version.
You're both wrong.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 23-12-2009, 23:12:04
omfg  a guy with a cat i was so hoping for the M18 hellcat this is the wors........

wait a minute

M7 ANTI TANK GUN?OMFG I SUGGESTED THIS GUN AND EVERYONE CALLED IT ALLIED BIAS!

ZOMG THE HOWITZER!

THE P-47??WITH BOMBS?OM!


oh and the 3.7CM at gun and the flak and the panzer II whoo great awesome

ZOMG!Look at those Beautifull!Allied bias!

I officialy declare this update 100% Allied Bias!
Fantastic update! Really! Fantastic!

M5 Howitzer, not Anti Tank Gun.

Edit:
I'm stupid, sorry, you're right.

;)
Sorry M5. This is the EXACT same gun i suggested back in the past, when everyone called it Allied Bias and not needed, unwanted and stupid!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_inch_Gun_M5

The gun is the combination of the Carriage and aiming of the M2 Howitzer, and the adding of the 76.2MM 3 Inch gun

Sorry i was overwelhmed.

Surely it cannot deal with Panthers unless they have HVAP.... Panzers IV,StuG's no problem. But tigers and panthers where difficult (Frontal shots where possible on the hull of the tiger though)

I must note that HVAP was rare for the Towed Tank battallions. So they should only have like one shell of this ammo type. I once borrowed a book from the libary once when i was sick as hell(Trust me, one hour of PC and FH2.1 got me quickly bored)
This book had all the allied artillery in it, including this one, wich mentioned that HVAP was rare, even rarer then for the regular Tank destroyer battallions.

Upside of this gun was its much better HE performance then the Pak40 for example, i hope this is being considerd in FH2.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Strat_84 on 23-12-2009, 23:12:47
LOL, I didn't read what was written below the picture and though that was 2 different views of the howitzer.

But that's a M5, not M7.  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: corsair89 on 23-12-2009, 23:12:29
3 news maps since 2.2, the new patch is coming closer and closer. Awesome work guys !

About Villers-Bocage, can we has chees minimap please ?  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Fuchs on 24-12-2009, 00:12:20
So many Panzergrau skinned vehicle...call me crazy, but could that imply that one of the next theatres in the nearer future will be Early War theatres? ó.Ó
Ah, anyway, nice update and congrats to Guderian that his map will be included soon!
The Panzergrau vehicles are for the new Greece map Mount Olympus, shown in the previous update.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 24-12-2009, 00:12:15
So many Panzergrau skinned vehicle...call me crazy, but could that imply that one of the next theatres in the nearer future will be Early War theatres? ó.Ó
Ah, anyway, nice update and congrats to Guderian that his map will be included soon!
The Panzergrau vehicles are for the new Greece map Mount Olympus, shown in the previous update.

But i can see a small light light in a dark room, and its called Battle of France.

Also, i heard Early NA German tanks still had Panzergrau?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Fuchs on 24-12-2009, 00:12:18
That light has to hold out for a while, a dev has already announced the next theatre.

But with some community modding there could be Fall of France fan maps [packs]. Like the one Meadow is working on.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: AdamPA1006 on 24-12-2009, 00:12:36
Incredible update! So many updates 3 quick ones, I'm lovin it! Can't wait for next patch everythings looks amazing!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Toddel on 24-12-2009, 00:12:23
i hope we can see some early france maps made by Fanmappers. it should be all there. except some french vehicles. but maybe i will do them when i see a nice map which is worth my efford ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 24-12-2009, 00:12:55
Also, i heard Early NA German tanks still had Panzergrau?
Yes. Rommel decided to do PANZER RUSH and attacked the 8th Army with his tanks still in Panzergrau camo.

Of course, in desert, they soon were covered in sand and dust, which was a very effective camouflage in itself. So soon, the Panzers were actually and purposefully covered with mud that, when dried, left a yellow-brown coat over the base paint.

In late March 1941, the order came to paint African front equipment with yellow-brown base paint, with camo scheme on top of it. Supply lines to Africa being what they were, many vehicles went in their original grey paint (with the mud covering) for quite some time, some were just sprayed with a "pattern" of the yellow-brown, while some eventually received the full treatment. Further, as supplies of British paints were captured, those were used as well. So a DAK Panzer unit would most likely have had a REALLY motley collection of eccentric paint schemes, instead of the neat unformly yellow-brown tanks we see in FH2.

February 1943 came the order to translate to Dunkelgelb basepaint + green & brown camo on all fronts. Of course, by that time the Germans had retreated to Tunis, and were back to using darker colours to match the vegetation (not much open desert anymore).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 24-12-2009, 00:12:14
i hope we can see some early france maps made by Fanmappers. it should be all there. except some french vehicles. but maybe i will do them when i see a nice map which is worth my efford ;D

You will Sir, you will.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 24-12-2009, 00:12:24
i wanna see paris! someone stard working on ze tower de eiffel!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: KingKerosin on 24-12-2009, 00:12:48
can we see a minimap please?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: azreal on 24-12-2009, 01:12:13
Its finally here, thunderbolt fuck yeah! That thing is something so awesome what words cant describe. I hope those 8 50.cals work like in FH42 so that the rate of fire is FAST.

Damn I have been waiting for that so long, it was the biggest disappointment that it wasn't in 2.2 :'(.







Because theres no US Combined Arms Map :(

then what do you classify Operation Cobra as?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Thorondor123 on 24-12-2009, 01:12:01
...

A map not in 2.2.
You are on fire today.

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paasky on 24-12-2009, 01:12:10
I hope the US 105mm ammo isn't the same as the LeFH ammo. Or alternatively that it has been fixed not to drop straight down like it was on Jupiter.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 24-12-2009, 01:12:55
Its finally here, thunderbolt fuck yeah! That thing is something so awesome what words cant describe. I hope those 8 50.cals work like in FH42 so that the rate of fire is FAST.

Damn I have been waiting for that so long, it was the biggest disappointment that it wasn't in 2.2 :'(.







Because theres no US Combined Arms Map :(

then what do you classify Operation Cobra as?

As a naval landing map.

Hmm he said in 2.2
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Thorondor123 on 24-12-2009, 01:12:45
I hope the US 105mm ammo isn't the same as the LeFH ammo. Or alternatively that it has been fixed not to drop straight down like it was on Jupiter.
So... no more indirect fire support?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: hamm0ck on 24-12-2009, 01:12:39
can we see a minimap please?

+1

Excellent update otherwise, great to see 105mm back on the field. :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: MasterChief0976 on 24-12-2009, 01:12:49
minimap zu bocage?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Gl@mRock on 24-12-2009, 02:12:30
WoW!!!  :o

Thanks for the early gift  ;D

Happy holidays!!! 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: kettcar on 24-12-2009, 02:12:21
no minimap yet, be sure it will be post these days
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: General_Henry on 24-12-2009, 04:12:20
sounded great, would the thunderbolt be also included in Cobra? (and the howitzer)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 24-12-2009, 04:12:24
sounded great, would the thunderbolt be also included in Cobra? (and the howitzer)

you will probably see the AT gun first in later Maps. we just did it because it reuse many parts of the Howitzer, which you will see on Cobra.

:)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: VonMudra on 24-12-2009, 04:12:32
Very, very nice ;D  Love the town, love the landscape, and moreso, love the Feldgrau tanks and the new ami arty :3  Now we just need that Pak36 in normandy camo :D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: General_Henry on 24-12-2009, 04:12:07
Very, very nice ;D  Love the town, love the landscape, and moreso, love the Feldgrau tanks and the new ami arty :3  Now we just need that Pak36 in normandy camo :D

for what, poor man's artillery?  ;D   (it makes me remember owning the canadians in Totalize with my PaK 40 HE shells)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Yustax on 24-12-2009, 07:12:49
Would like the number of the Tiger I be the "222", the Tiger used by Wittmann on Villers Bocage.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: VonMudra on 24-12-2009, 07:12:20
Very, very nice ;D  Love the town, love the landscape, and moreso, love the Feldgrau tanks and the new ami arty :3  Now we just need that Pak36 in normandy camo :D

for what, poor man's artillery?  ;D   (it makes me remember owning the canadians in Totalize with my PaK 40 HE shells)

With tungsten shells its 60-65mm penetration at 100m, so that's an easy kill on the side of a sherman ;)  THat, plus the Stg41, makes it rather deadly for ambush in the american sector of the bocage, where it mainly saw action with the FJ.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Yustax on 24-12-2009, 07:12:26

With tungsten shells its 60-65mm penetration at 100m, so that's an easy kill on the side of a sherman ;)  THat, plus the Stg41, makes it rather deadly for ambush in the american sector of the bocage, where it mainly saw action with the FJ.

German 3.7cm Stielgranate 41...drools; thats something I want to use. Especially with camo and folliage in the Pak 36.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: A-tree on 24-12-2009, 08:12:44
a dev has already announced the next theatre.
Wah? Have I missed something?
Also cool update, love the p47, and villers is a cool map to play.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Toddel on 24-12-2009, 10:12:34
Would like the number of the Tiger I be the "222", the Tiger used by Wittmann on Villers Bocage.
;D 8)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Moku on 24-12-2009, 10:12:25
Wow. I love how that map looks and the plane is great! And I'm still amazed you did so many retextures for one single map. That's true dedication. :D

By the way is there minimap to see somewhere or is this the reworked map that's minimap has been shown here a few times already?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Zoologic on 24-12-2009, 10:12:44
So we will see the British fight in Villers-Bocage instead of that default map in BF1942, which sees Americans fighting on it.

Oh and the Jug! Verrry niiiiceee!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 24-12-2009, 10:12:01
Very nice update again.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 24-12-2009, 11:12:23
So we will see the British fight in Villers-Bocage instead of that default map in BF1942, which sees Americans fighting on it.

Oh and the Jug! Verrry niiiiceee!

that wasn't viller's bocage.. just bocage, so it would have been accurate since the yanks did fight in the bocage also

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 24-12-2009, 11:12:13
Except that map didnt have any bocage... Ironic.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 24-12-2009, 12:12:40
Loving the updates!

Yay new plane!  Yay Arty!  Yay Villers!  Yay...PanzerGrau?  (Not too excited about that last one, just because the vehicles themselves are not that new.  But it does introduce interesting possibilities for fan mappers...)

Merry Christmas everyone!  A lovely gift from the Devs, indeed!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Vergeltungswaffe on 24-12-2009, 13:12:36
Very nice update! :)

The map seems to be a real beauty, just like Mount Olympus and it was a really good idea to implement those 2 awesome community maps!

Oh and Frohe Weihnachten! Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 13:12:34
bf-games.net writes that they will release an interview with the devs today and that they asked for 2.25 release date  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 24-12-2009, 13:12:34
bf-gaes.net writes that they will release an interview with the devs today and that they asked for 2.25 release date  ;D

Oh?  Any idea when?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Fuchs on 24-12-2009, 13:12:11
a dev has already announced the next theatre.
Wah? Have I missed something?
Also cool update, love the p47, and villers is a cool map to play.
Taranov said something on the FH2 Moddb page.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 13:12:20
bf-gaes.net writes that they will release an interview with the devs today and that they asked for 2.25 release date  ;D

Oh?  Any idea when?

Hm, I read it again, and apparently they release it "the first day of christmas" now, which is tomorrow.

edit: and taranov said the next theatre would be the Ardennes on moddb
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Vergeltungswaffe on 24-12-2009, 13:12:04
So, the cat is out of the bag finally!?! ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 13:12:48
It has been out of the bag for some month  ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Vergeltungswaffe on 24-12-2009, 13:12:57
It has been out of the bag for some month  ;)

I thought that only were wild speculations ^^

Well sounds great, I love the Ardennes scenario! ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: sn00x on 24-12-2009, 14:12:03
oh i cant wait to get started on a snow map!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 14:12:58
It has been out of the bag for some month  ;)

I thought that only were wild speculations ^^

Well sounds great, I love the Ardennes scenario! ;)

let's put it that way, we were never sure. Perhaps he only talked in jest or something. However, Fuchs kinda confirmed it.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 24-12-2009, 14:12:17
And who is Fuchs? What does he know?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 14:12:14
And who is Fuchs? What does he know?

good point...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 24-12-2009, 14:12:22
Slight curiously about one of them screenshots though:

(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/news/091223/villers08.jpg)

Where is all the debris from since both buildings around it seem more or less intact - Or at least, unable to create such ruin

And nice confirmation on the Ardennes... Would really have liked the update to confirm this - Perfect the Wint... erm, Christmas

Oh, and this shot: (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/news/091223/villers12.jpg)

screams 'possibility of destructible church' since that churck seems to exist in at least variable states of destruction
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 24-12-2009, 14:12:48
Slight curiously about one of them screenshots though:

[image removed to spare people with crappy internet]

Where is all the debris from since both buildings around it seem more or less intact

Not many of the buildings around there are "intact."  At least, they weren't when we played it in the WaW scrims a few weeks ago...

EDIT:  That might have been a different part of the map, though.  Both Tilly and Villers were strewn with that debris and I think one was had more destroyed buildings...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 24-12-2009, 14:12:01
Nitpick. At the moment of making the map, there were no enough ruin models to have an interesting and variated looks for cities, thus preventing the mappers making it look really destroyed. Now you just have to play along and ignore the fact that most buildings are intact.

Of course, it could be fixed by using more destroyed houses and ruins which we now have... but do we want to push the release because of it? No.



And where did I miss Battle of the Bulge confirmation?


@ TS4Ever on the post below mine:
Haha, yeah, sidewalks piss me off...

@ Djinn:
That church is just another church model. Its unique like the rest of the churches.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 14:12:43
It's kindoff smart actually, saves you the hassle of freaking side walk placing.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: samnadine on 24-12-2009, 15:12:51
I like this map a lot  :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 15:12:11
@ Djinn:
That church is just another church model. Its unique like the rest of the churches.

Isn't it the one from cagny?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Eat Uranium on 24-12-2009, 15:12:57
@ Djinn:
That church is just another church model. Its unique like the rest of the churches.

Isn't it the one from cagny?
No
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 24-12-2009, 15:12:17
@ Djinn:
That church is just another church model. Its unique like the rest of the churches.

Isn't it the one from cagny?
No
Are you sure, look identical to me. Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Eat Uranium on 24-12-2009, 15:12:04
Are you sure, look identical to me. Could be wrong though.
I'm 100% sure.  The Cagny church is a destroyed version of the one on Luttich.  This church is much wider, has all those arches and has no non-destroyed vesion.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-12-2009, 15:12:53
Guys question.

In the Update it said the P-47 will have one 250KG bomb.

In the Screenshots it is shown with 2 bombs.

Are these 2 250Pound bombs? Or what is the plan?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-12-2009, 15:12:08
I guess Toddel really likes modelling churches...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Slayer on 24-12-2009, 15:12:05
No, he really likes painting. Hence the abundant Panzergrau vehicles.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 24-12-2009, 15:12:33
Smig made some of the churches.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Josh094 on 24-12-2009, 15:12:25
Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a Maus.


KTHX
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Eat Uranium on 24-12-2009, 15:12:37
Guys question.

In the Update it said the P-47 will have one 250KG bomb.

In the Screenshots it is shown with 2 bombs.

Are these 2 250Pound bombs? Or what is the plan?
I personally don't know since I've never flown it yet.  You'd have to ask Gunnie since he coded it and/or azreal since he wrote the update.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Fuzz on 24-12-2009, 16:12:32
Nice update!  :o

The reskined manor looks more beautiful and really than that at Lebisey. It would be nice if it can be replaced by this skin.
And again good work!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Phoenixo_Idaho on 24-12-2009, 17:12:20
awesome chirstmas news !  :D

Do you have any minimap about Villers-Bocage?

@ Toddel

We are working on Bir Hakeim  ;).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-12-2009, 17:12:07
awesome chirstmas news !  :D

Do you have any minimap about Villers-Bocage?

@ Toddel

We are working on Bir Hakeim  ;).
Then you need to model the Canon De 75 1898

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Canon_de_75_modele_1897_used_at_Bir_Hakeim_modified_as_an_antitank_gun_on_pneumatic_wheels.jpg

These cannons where extremely important in the battle
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 24-12-2009, 17:12:28
We are working on Bir Hakeim  ;).

Got anything to show? Im quite interested. :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: sn00x on 24-12-2009, 18:12:37
i am very interrested myself :)


Now i just want to say, to the Devs and the rest of you guys, Merry Merry christmas! and may you all have a good vacation!  :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 24-12-2009, 18:12:04
Are you sure, look identical to me. Could be wrong though.
I'm 100% sure.  The Cagny church is a destroyed version of the one on Luttich.  This church is much wider, has all those arches and has no non-destroyed vesion.

Perhaps the one in Fall of Tobruk?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 24-12-2009, 18:12:48
No, no and no!

That church is called "church_ruin" in the files, the one on cagny is splitted up into church parts and unique, and the one in Fall of Tobruk is also unique! ::)

Edit:

To clarify, this is the one in Villers, and it was made by Smig, already in 2.2.
(big image)
(http://img9.abload.de/img/1cq9u.png)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 24-12-2009, 19:12:25
gotta search for it in the Editor...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: azreal on 24-12-2009, 19:12:13
Guys question.

In the Update it said the P-47 will have one 250KG bomb.

In the Screenshots it is shown with 2 bombs.

Are these 2 250Pound bombs? Or what is the plan?

Sorry, I was not aware of the exact number of bombs Gunnie put on the thing when I was writing the update. For future reference, if something doesn't match the pictures, go by what the pictures show.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Raziel on 24-12-2009, 19:12:48
Beautiful update as always! Thanks for the early gift!
Wishing all this great community a very Happy Christmas!!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: ctz on 24-12-2009, 20:12:16
To clarify, this is the one in Villers, and it was made by Smig, already in 2.2.
(big image)
(http://img9.abload.de/img/1cq9u.png)
This was made by matt.b. Smig made most (all?) of the other churches. Malsa made the Tobruk church. Hope that clears things up.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 24-12-2009, 20:12:54
Alright, thought it was Smig, since the changelog says that. ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: VonMudra on 24-12-2009, 20:12:58
Minimap please? :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: G.Drew on 24-12-2009, 20:12:02
Mmmmm....Villers Bocage.



I approve.

(http://20.media.tumblr.com/JwYNF7j71qfeudooMAKHpLizo1_500.png)


Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Gunnie on 24-12-2009, 20:12:23
Guys question.

In the Update it said the P-47 will have one 250KG bomb.

In the Screenshots it is shown with 2 bombs.

Are these 2 250Pound bombs? Or what is the plan?

P-47 D can carry a versitile payload mixture of bombs or rockets.  The current P-47's within the mod build can carry or be placed as a:

 "Gunfighter", with this version having only the .50cal upon it as an air combat fighter.

 "Gunfighter/Bomber", with this version having two 500lb bombs. (They did not usually equip the P-47 with anything less than 500lb bombs.)

 "Gunfighter/Rockets", with this version having ten five inch rockets.

There may yet be another version that carries both bombs and rockets, but I have not really found any conclusive evidence that both types of ordinace were carried at the same time.


Therefore, for now. We just have the above three versions in the mod.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 24-12-2009, 20:12:36
To clarify, this is the one in Villers, and it was made by Smig, already in 2.2.
(big image)
(http://img9.abload.de/img/1cq9u.png)
This was made by matt.b. Smig made most (all?) of the other churches. Malsa made the Tobruk church. Hope that clears things up.

Thsi church looks very cool. Will be also nondestroyed version?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Toddel on 24-12-2009, 20:12:03
i made a REAL Church 8) not this Kindergarden..... You will see it in one of our Upcoming maps for the patch after the upcoming Patch;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Josh094 on 24-12-2009, 21:12:25
Is it of epic proportions like Carentan cathedral?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Mazz on 24-12-2009, 21:12:48
As a tank fan, Villers might be the greatest tank map I have ever played.

Hata off to ya Guderian, and I'm thrilled to see its addition finalized.

BTW Gunnie, I PMed you some P-47 stuff to help with the armaments.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 24-12-2009, 21:12:59
Is it of epic proportions like Carentan cathedral?

If he means what I think, it will blow your head away.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Josh094 on 24-12-2009, 21:12:31
Is it of epic proportions like Carentan cathedral?

If he means what I think, it will blow your head away.

Woah. Cologne?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: sn00x on 24-12-2009, 21:12:58
gief neu church, carentan needz
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cin3k33 on 24-12-2009, 22:12:49
Quote
Porównując P-47 z samolotami niemieckimi, P-47 przewyższał wszystkie wersje Me-109G i FW-190A. Dorównywały mu dopiero wersje Me-109G i K z silnikiem DB-605D oraz Focke-Wulf Ta-152. Wersja P-47M mogła nawet nawiązać prawie równorzędną walkę z odrzutowym myśliwcem Me-262.

It is from wikipedia. It says that Thunderbolt was better than any Me-109g or FW-190A [we have it ingame]  Only Me-109G and K with DB-605D engine and Focke-Wulf Ta-152 was better than this one. Version P-47M could even fight Me-262.
I red some books about aviation and Thunderbolt was very very good plane.

Now to the devs:

Try making this super plane worse than german planes as you did it with Typhoon. Try.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Zurich163 on 24-12-2009, 22:12:24
(http://mrmerlot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/antiwikipedia.jpg)


 Plus, what do you mean it could out perform any Me-109 or Fw-190? the P47 was a great plane no doubt, it's Armour values were insane, but it was notorious for having an extremely poor climb rate; something that both the 109 and 190 had an abundance of.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Meadow on 24-12-2009, 22:12:09
Superb update! And I'm very pleased to see more Feldgrau vehicles. A couple of PzIIs would do nicely on my Calais fan map. I'm taking my time on that one and hopefully some day (maybe in 6 months) it'll be worthy of the mighty Toddel's attention... I sure would love some accurate 1940 BEF playermodels. But let's not jump the gun, I'm a total novice atm ;)

Villers-Bocage is a nice surprise, too. 2.25 seems closer than ever!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Admiral Donutz on 24-12-2009, 22:12:22
Now with 50% less dream crushing.

Awww :(.

OT: reskins and Villers ftw!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 24-12-2009, 23:12:27
(http://mrmerlot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/antiwikipedia.jpg)
Plus, what do you mean it could out perform any Me-109 or Fw-190? the P47 was a great plane no doubt, it's Armour values were insane, but it was notorious for having an extremely poor climb rate; something that both the 109 and 190 had an abundance of.
Relatives borrowed the book from me, so I will be unable to give the exact page number and word-by-word quote (and it would be the Finnish translation, btw), but in "The First and the Last" Adolf Galland claims that the Jug was generally superior to FW-190. Does not elaborate why, though. So I'll take a guess.

190 can out-turn P-47 quite easily and was at her best at low altitudes, so in FH2 environment (and especially with BF2 physics, which does not really allow "energy fight") 190 should be a better dogfighter. 109 might not be as nimble as 190, but she's still more agile than a Jug. Paradoxically, T-Bolt became better and better the higher up it went, at altitude she was one of the most agile fighters in ETO and moreover, and her engine gave full power at 8 klicks and upwards. As for the poor climb rate, that was improved noticeably with the revised propeller from D-22 series onwards; until that, the Germans could escape with a sharp climb, but afterwards, it became difficult. However, NOTHING short of a jet fighter gathered speed like a diving Jug.

Has to be then, that if the Jug could not zoom'n'boom (in which it was superior to 190 and 109, as it had gathered plenty of speed for the pull-up) at her opponents, she could always disengage at will since German fighters could not keep up with a diving Jug. If the Germans tried to disengage (post early D series), however, they were once again caught by the Jug. So if they encountered one higher up, they were basically forced to fight, unless the Jug wanted to leave them alone... and because the Jug was practically a flying tank, downing one required plenty of ammo.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 24-12-2009, 23:12:12
Awesome update guys! This demonstrates the importance of gaming tournaments, even if you don't participate in them yourself (like me).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Gunnie on 25-12-2009, 00:12:25
For the guy complaining about the Typhoon.. (For the rest of you too.. )

In regard to the P-47 and its flying abilities, or for that matter.. Any airplane within FH2.. Be it a Typhoon, Spitfire, Hurricane or FW190, etc.

The flying qualities of the airplanes in the mod represent a blend of opinions of handling.  Gathered from a cross section of the many people who have flown these airplanes during testing sessions. Yes, since I coded most of the newer equipment. My opinions of how things should be. Does come out in some of how these fly. As a pilot for a living, in the USA. I do have some experience with airplanes and what they should be able to do. However, that said. I have never flown any "fighters of WWII". I have only had opportunity to fly a T-6 Texan trainer.

In either case, in my defense and that of the mod team.  The flying abilities of our mods aircraft may neither be realistic, accurate or truely representative of anything factural.  Certainly, due to game engine limitations. They are not realistic, "true to life" representations of combat aircraft of WWII as reported by various sources found in books, the internet or other places.

This is a game environment and the internet.  Both the game engine and the internet carry limitations, as do the computers and abilities of the people who play FH2.  Whether you fly by joystick or combination of keyboard and mouse. Can affect how these airplanes perform. Whether you practice hours on end, to hone your ability to manipulate these machines of air war, will make a difference in how they perform for you too.

Online experiences will vary greatly from one player to the next. Some have computers that are the "cream of the crop", with top of the line CPU's, video cards and tons of memory. All on a very good connection to the server. Others, may have computers that barely meet minimum standards for BF2. Some may have their game settings set to the max. While others may have them set to the middle or low. The settings one uses, will have an affect on how things will perform within the game engine.

While some of you guys may say the airplanes all are terrible, fly horrid and generally stink. Others may say just the opposite. That they are good representations of real aircraft.  (Based on what, I do not know, as none of you guys have ever flown the real thing, perhaps, just read about it.)  In either case, everyone has an opinion, good or bad, positive or negative.

In the end, I can only do so much as a coder/programmer of these pieces of equipment within FH2. I try to make them all fly with good quality and as realistically as can be done, given the limitations, as discussed perviously and the varied amount of opinions that I encounter while trying to achieve this goal.  On some of the machines. I have done very well. On others, they still need some work and are still being adjusted.

FH2 aircraft flying is not totally about realistic values, but about having fun. This is entertainment. A game, something you can sit down and play with friends and enjoy. It should not be tedious, require special knowledge or elite skill to enjoy. (Although, I am sure some would debate me on that.)  It should be fun for all and I think we, as a mod team, have achieved this goal. Granted, in the end. We cannot satisfy everyone. However, I do think we have satisfied most.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Vergeltungswaffe on 25-12-2009, 00:12:44
So true Gunnie...

I'm sure it's really annoying for you Devs always having to hear how things should be and what is wrong etc. There's no other game out there with more historical accuracy, but still some guys have to make their fussy comments on everything and try to make you do something the way they want it for themselves... :(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 25-12-2009, 00:12:42
I really really really dont care if aeroplane (:D) X beats Y in real life and in game X should climb faster than Y, bs. I want to play a game, not a super duper military simulator. For that, i have ArmA 2 and IL2
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 25-12-2009, 00:12:54
I generally don't care about planes and I have no clue about their physics. However I think that if Plane A was historically better than Plane B that should be reflected somehow, even if the handling or what ever is arcade.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Alakazou on 25-12-2009, 00:12:58
i made a REAL Church 8) not this Kindergarden..... You will see it in one of our Upcoming maps for the patch after the upcoming Patch;D
;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Gunnie on 25-12-2009, 01:12:20
As I had to step away on the previous post.. The P-47 and the Mustang for that matter. Both enjoyed very successful results in combat in the latter part of WWII.

The abilities of both machines were very well documented. However, German aircraft were still for the most part, far superior than any of the aircraft fielded by the United States during the war.

Yes, the mustang had its virtues. The P-47 had them as well. Each in its own right was superior against another aircraft. However, technologically, the Germans had us beat.

There has been great debate amongst many aviation scholars as to what airplane was the best. The P-51 sure ranks up at the top as the overall "most balanced" flying machine of WWII. This because, while not neccessarily the best at everything. It was the one airplane that embodied the best cross-section of all the things it was tasked to perform.

I have had the opportunity to speak with WWII Aviators, who flew both the Mustang and the Thunderbolt. Most will tell you the Mustang was the best overall machine, but at the same time. They will all tell you that they would rather be in the Thunderbolt, just due to the protection that it provided.

In the late stages of the war. Germany had suffered great losses in aircraft and pilots. This combined with  the lack of production facilities and spare parts, slowly ebbed the tide of the airwar in favor of the Allied Armies. By this time in the war. Germany had lost most of her veteran pilots and the new guys on the block were no competion against veterans of the Allied Armies.

This allowed the mustangs and thunderbolts the appearance of being better abled aircraft over their German counterparts. When in reality, had the experince of the pilots been equal. Things might have been different. Same with the introduction of the Me-262. Had that machine made it into full scale production sooner. Who knows how things would have turned out.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Gunnie on 25-12-2009, 01:12:21
I generally don't care about planes and I have no clue about their physics. However I think that if Plane A was historically better than Plane B that should be reflected somehow, even if the handling or what ever is arcade.

Oh, don't get me wrong.. We DO strive for some accuracy in what we do here at FH2. I just wanted to remind you guys that it is a game and it does have limits. (That and none of us have any "true to life" experiences with any of this.) It is a guess and sometimes, a best guess at that, based on varied opinions.

What I may like, someone else may not. The goal however, is to find that balance that everyone can be happy with.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 25-12-2009, 01:12:36


This allowed the mustangs and thunderbolts the appearance of being better abled aircraft over their German counterparts. When in reality, had the experince of the pilots been equal. Things might have been different. Same with the introduction of the Me-262. Had that machine made it into full scale production sooner. Who knows how things would have turned out.

Maybe not the ME262, but how about the TA183, if it enetered service around 1944 and it was produced underground, like many ficilities were, it would be a kickass airplanes and the rate of losses for the US Bomber fleets would be tooooooo high.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Fuzz on 25-12-2009, 01:12:11
i made a REAL Church 8) not this Kindergarden..... You will see it in one of our Upcoming maps for the patch after the upcoming Patch;D

And if it's the church i'm thinking, looks like the St Étienne church at Caen. Maybe a big city map in Caen with the 3rd division infantry  ::)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 25-12-2009, 06:12:24
Oooooooh...Thunderbolt.

Time to hunt some jets for y'all. I can well believe what kelmola said about dive performance; I remember, back on Alpenfestung, my greatest difficulty, besides compensating for triple digit pig when I lead, was to make sure that I don't overtake the jets I was hunting.

Killed a guy that way once. Saw a komet, rolled over, dove, realized that I was overtaking him, did frantic S-turns, heard a THUNK and then boom. Momentum had its way, and when we collided, the komet bounced right off my belly into the ground.

Ah, jet hunting. Its like hunting elephants with sledgehammers, so difficult and dangerous. But fun. Always fun, specially in ma P-47.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 25-12-2009, 07:12:22
Oooooooh...Thunderbolt.

Time to hunt some jets for y'all. I can well believe what kelmola said about dive performance; I remember, back on Alpenfestung, my greatest difficulty, besides compensating for triple digit pig when I lead, was to make sure that I don't overtake the jets I was hunting.

Killed a guy that way once. Saw a komet, rolled over, dove, realized that I was overtaking him, did frantic S-turns, heard a THUNK and then boom. Momentum had its way, and when we collided, the komet bounced right off my belly into the ground.

Ah, jet hunting. Its like hunting elephants with sledgehammers, so difficult and dangerous. But fun. Always fun, specially in ma P-47.

Overshoot, more likely - No way you could overtake if you tried... Overshoot while in a turn, sure - Thast's it, i'm going to play Alpenfestung
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Toddel on 25-12-2009, 11:12:45
I really really really dont care if aeroplane (:D) X beats Y in real life and in game X should climb faster than Y, bs. I want to play a game, not a super duper military simulator. For that, i have ArmA 2 and IL2
/me likes this comment ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Graf_Radetzky(CZ) on 25-12-2009, 11:12:15
I really really really dont care if aeroplane (:D) X beats Y in real life and in game X should climb faster than Y, bs. I want to play a game, not a super duper military simulator. For that, i have ArmA 2 and IL2
/me likes this comment ;D

I like this comment too, i dislike this informations "who should win", it is mainly on experiences of pilot.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cin3k33 on 25-12-2009, 12:12:50
In the end, I can only do so much as a coder/programmer of these pieces of equipment within FH2. I try to make them all fly with good quality and as realistically as can be done, given the limitations, as discussed perviously and the varied amount of opinions that I encounter while trying to achieve this goal.  On some of the machines. I have done very well. On others, they still need some work and are still being adjusted.

FH2 aircraft flying is not totally about realistic values, but about having fun. This is entertainment. A game, something you can sit down and play with friends and enjoy. It should not be tedious, require special knowledge or elite skill to enjoy. (Although, I am sure some would debate me on that.)  It should be fun for all and I think we, as a mod team, have achieved this goal. Granted, in the end. We cannot satisfy everyone. However, I do think we have satisfied most.

You did it great job with Hurricane, 109, spitfire. Africa fighters are perfect.

109 is the fastest, and it go up like crazy.
spitfire is very maneverouable [:D] .
hurricane is just friendly to pilot.

This things make fights enjoyable. Winner is good pilot who can start with good position to attack, and can count on his skill.

This three planes are very good no as they are and please don`t change them.

For stuka... it is as fast as 109 in 2.2 so no comment.

I told that before and I will tell now. In normandy good pilot is pilot in FW 190

Typhoon was very good plane and at low altlitude, as we have it ingame, it could outturn 190 easily.
In higher level, where they were fighting in real, 190 was better. There is no doubt about it.


Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-12-2009, 12:12:16


This allowed the mustangs and thunderbolts the appearance of being better abled aircraft over their German counterparts. When in reality, had the experince of the pilots been equal. Things might have been different. Same with the introduction of the Me-262. Had that machine made it into full scale production sooner. Who knows how things would have turned out.

Maybe not the ME262, but how about the TA183, if it enetered service around 1944 and it was produced underground, like many ficilities were, it would be a kickass airplanes and the rate of losses for the US Bomber fleets would be tooooooo high.
indeed. The ME262 was designed for the most parts to counter bombers. spitfires, Mustangs, even thunderbolts on some levels, could outmanouver the Me262. The thing that made me262 so difficult to shoot down, was that it avoided allied fighters by using max power + a huge dive to grab an imense speed to escape.

What you said gunnie about German fighters still being far superior then their allied fighter counterparts is not true in all aspects. The far majority of kills made by german aces where done on times that the allied airforces wherent up to the challenge. Like the soviet airforce unto 1944. These pilots where badly trained and dint applied very good tactics, hence the high kill scores for many german aces during WW2. When faced with new models of the spitfire, P-51 , P-47, even the P38, things where far diffrent.

It was often their experience that got them out in some cases, but by far was it easy for a german fighter to bring down a late war westren allied plane. First was what you said= Lack of experienced aviators. In the beginning of the war germany had MANY skilled airmen, and the allies few, yet later on in the war, it was the opposite. New recruits where trained in half the time, and they where now in no match in dealing with all those brand-new allied planes with experienced aviators.

Allied planes can be called superior towards their german counterparts. The only advantage the Me109 had over allied planes, was its manouverbility on some levels. Also armament was also something. 6 .50CAL machine guns ripped trough german planes. The bullets easly pierced trough engine blocks and other critical systems, and the chance of hitting was far higher then with the german armament=2 13MM MG's and 2 20MM cannons(Or 30MM in some cases)

Powerfull yes, but not very handy in a close quarter dogfight

The high losses of allied aircraft late war where mostly bombers, with Flak guns claiming most of the kills, wich was also the main high loss factor for any airforce during the war. The Russian 37 mm automatic air defense gun M1939 (61-K) alone shot down 14000+ Axis planes during the war.


But yes, we can discuss this over and over. I just hope that the P47 its ruggdness and armor is carried over to FH2
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Strat_84 on 25-12-2009, 15:12:04
I really really really dont care if aeroplane (:D) X beats Y in real life and in game X should climb faster than Y, bs. I want to play a game, not a super duper military simulator. For that, i have ArmA 2 and IL2
/me likes this comment ;D

I like this comment too, i dislike this informations "who should win", it is mainly on experiences of pilot.

Of course, it's biased to state a plane has to win over another one because it depends also on the situation and the way the pilots behave.

But what some people and I have often underlined are the inconsistances you can find ingame regarding to plane caracteristics IRL (example: BF109 overturning british planes when it is known to be faster but less manoeuvrable, or the current ability of all planes to climb verticaly just after taking off, something only jets may be able to perform).
And the problem isn't that BF engine doesn't allow it or what, because it was quite correctly rendered in version 2.15.

Edit: And I consider this is a major part of the fun, because if all planes are different models behaving the same way, you're just missing the depth and flavour of any good WW2 game.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: General_Henry on 25-12-2009, 15:12:45
Oooooooh...Thunderbolt.

Time to hunt some jets for y'all. I can well believe what kelmola said about dive performance; I remember, back on Alpenfestung, my greatest difficulty, besides compensating for triple digit pig when I lead, was to make sure that I don't overtake the jets I was hunting.

Killed a guy that way once. Saw a komet, rolled over, dove, realized that I was overtaking him, did frantic S-turns, heard a THUNK and then boom. Momentum had its way, and when we collided, the komet bounced right off my belly into the ground.

Ah, jet hunting. Its like hunting elephants with sledgehammers, so difficult and dangerous. But fun. Always fun, specially in ma P-47.

jet hunting is even better in iL2, but I cheated I use a P51D for that  :D , I should try it with those polish planes instead
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 25-12-2009, 15:12:24
I really really really dont care if aeroplane (:D) X beats Y in real life and in game X should climb faster than Y, bs. I want to play a game, not a super duper military simulator. For that, i have ArmA 2 and IL2
/me likes this comment ;D

I like this comment too, i dislike this informations "who should win", it is mainly on experiences of pilot.

I totally dissagree... What's the point in having different planes if they fly exactly the same... The beauty of one tank to the next is not just the loadout, but the handling... Same goes for planes.. Otherwise, we might as well develop a generic plane model and reskin it for each plane-representation
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Dukat on 25-12-2009, 18:12:29
I'm somehow not looking forward to drag that Wittmann-tiger out of the mud. Whenever I rely on a tanker, I'm lost. I wonder who will consider himself cappable of driving it.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 25-12-2009, 19:12:01
Screw the tiger

we want the hellcat
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Remdul on 25-12-2009, 23:12:07
Minimap for ya punks.

And a minor correction: the church was modeled by matt.b, though it could be that Smig did the export and finish.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 25-12-2009, 23:12:11
Amazing :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Mazz on 25-12-2009, 23:12:09
Like I said, with competent players in the tanks, its one hell of a tank map.

Doesn't look much different then the last version I saw/played, and its definitely an excellent Bocage country representation. The minimap doesn't show it real well but the river is actually somewhat of a low point on the map, allowing for long distance shooting as well as good hedgerow fighting.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: el Garstico on 26-12-2009, 00:12:27
last news were really great.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Buran on 26-12-2009, 12:12:30
P-47!!! I F'in love y'all!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-12-2009, 12:12:00
P-47!!! I F'in love y'all!
What else do you need to make you're day?  ;D

Its like when the Typhoon and Fw190 was released=We LOVE fighter bombers


and hate them when we are tanking
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 26-12-2009, 13:12:41
I hope we get at least some difference in flying physics in the new version. I don't want to sound like an idiot but I just enjoyed flying SO MUCH more in the older versions.

Now dogfights are history, in 2.15 there actually were some nice dogfights that took long and when you finally shot down your opponent it felt really good. Now its just bang bang enemy down. I also don't like it how tight those planes are turning, it should be so that you make a real strafing/bombing run (start form far away and escape then prepare new run from far away).

IRC physics were changed because of performance in Normandy maps (so you can keep bit lower view distance), as it would have been to hard to fly in such a "fog". I do get it as typhoon shoots both rockets in pretty slow rate (I am pretty sure that has to be the reason).

About the typhoon. Why not to make it shoot like in FH42, shoot one rocket at the time. Or shoot them in full auto 300 rpm, something like that so you could turn away much faster without hitting the ground. rockets could be made much more inaccurate so that typhoon wouldn't be so overpowered.

I am sure there are some other FH pilots who agree with me about some points. Keep in mind this is constructive criticism not whining  :).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Thorondor123 on 26-12-2009, 13:12:06
I'm pretty sure the rockets were fired in pairs in real life. Generally it's not a good idea to have different weight and air resistance in the other wing. That's why rockets and bombs were dropped symmetrically.   
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 26-12-2009, 13:12:48
I'm pretty sure the rockets were fired in pairs in real life. Generally it's not a good idea to have different weight and air resistance in the other wing. That's why rockets and bombs were dropped symmetrically.   
Any chance of making typhoon fire 2 rockets in more rapid rate? Now its like 1-2 sec pause between each rocket. You need to keep on target pretty long because of that.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: elander on 26-12-2009, 15:12:24
(http://mrmerlot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/antiwikipedia.jpg)


 Plus, what do you mean it could out perform any Me-109 or Fw-190? the P47 was a great plane no doubt, it's Armour values were insane, but it was notorious for having an extremely poor climb rate; something that both the 109 and 190 had an abundance of.

;) talking about facts based on bad sources, I will make a statement from a very faithfull source ;)

In pearl harbour they say that a p47 cant match a Zero... well Zero'es sucked.... so p47 sucks even more.

Now everybody knows
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Timmay9/11 on 26-12-2009, 16:12:07

In pearl harbour they say that a p47 cant match a Zero... well Zero'es sucked.... so p47 sucks even more.


 
 you ment the P40 don’t you?      hate to fly this in Il2 ....

By the way

Funny how many ppl. blame wiki for being , well being wiki


But as soons as something is printed it is true…   

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-12-2009, 17:12:25
(http://mrmerlot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/antiwikipedia.jpg)


 Plus, what do you mean it could out perform any Me-109 or Fw-190? the P47 was a great plane no doubt, it's Armour values were insane, but it was notorious for having an extremely poor climb rate; something that both the 109 and 190 had an abundance of.

;) talking about facts based on bad sources, I will make a statement from a very faithfull source ;)

In pearl harbour they say that a p47 cant match a Zero... well Zero'es sucked.... so p47 sucks even more.

Now everybody knows
on a low altitude a P40/P-39 could outturn a Zero/me109/fw190

ALLIED bias!!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paavopesusieni on 26-12-2009, 17:12:11

In pearl harbour they say that a p47 cant match a Zero... well Zero'es sucked.... so p47 sucks even more.

Now everybody knows

Umm... Zero was one of the best planes of the war when taking time line into account.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Timmay9/11 on 26-12-2009, 17:12:59

Read the sentence before he made this statement ;)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!

pah! Nazi Zombies destroy P47 by being undead, and by being undead the allied forces can’t kill them
Nazi Zombie bias!   
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3841/89761998.jpg)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 26-12-2009, 18:12:30
A, erm.. what?

I was actually going to comment on the Zero too, but wasn't sure if it was fact or propaganda I knew. I do know the zero outclasses almost all the American planes albeit being a 'tin can' with practically no armor or radio

But anyhoo, we are about the P47, not the P40, so...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Strat_84 on 26-12-2009, 18:12:45
Lmao Elander, lay a troll and ... they all bit the bait.  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 26-12-2009, 19:12:04
It would have been a little hard for the Americans to compare P-47 to Zero before Pearl Harbour, since the Jug was not even in service yet...

Zero was more agile than anything until the very end of the war, because she was basically a sports plane with guns. Which also meant she went down in flames when someone just threw an evil look at her. Attempts to up-armour her lessened her manoeuverability, and the engine could not lift too much extra load, and did not help to fix the frail basic structure. She was fast compared to biplanes and (by 1941/2 standards) obsolescent monoplanes like Buffalo, Hurricane etc., but already P-40 and P-39, especially at low altitude, were faster. She had too light firepower, two 7,7 mm MGs and two 20 mm cannons (firing a less powerful shell than the German or Allied cannons) were simply not enough to kill something with a single burst, not always even on a single pass.

Yes, the Zero was a nasty surprise, because Allied intelligence had dismissed the Chinese and AVG reports of her performance as made by "poorly equipped and trained Chinese" or "undisciplined mercenaries", and it had been thought to be some sort of second-rate fighter made by some poor country with relatively undeveloped aviation industry. Also, American pilot training of the time had been obsessed with "stallfight", turning tighter than the enemy, and doing that individually, not as a duo with your wingman. So Allied pilots in December 1941 went into fight overconfident, then tried to turn with the Zero which was the worst possible tactic against her, and got shot down promptly as a result (provided the Zero had enough ammunition left). And the legend of the ultimate superfighter that was impossible to kill was born.

Once the initial shock went past, and pilot training was revised to preferably zoom'n'boom a Zero, or on the defensive, fight in pairs as per "Thach Weave", the Zero was no longer the uncontested ruler of the skies. It had enough weaknesses that could be exploited even by inferior plane types. Was she a good fighter? Yes. Was she the best fighter at its heyday? Probably not (we're talking about Spit V, 109F & 190A in the same timeframe). Could she have been better? Most certainly.

Even though the Zero was improved along the way, P-38, P-47, P-51, Hellcat, and Corsair were simply too fast, too well-climbing, too well-armoured, and too well-armed for her for the rest of the war, once they entered service. Resource-limited Japanese aircraft industry simply could not respond fast enough to produce new types - Zero's potential was limited by the design decisions that had been sound for the pre-war years when she was designed - and by the time Zero's successors were ready for fight, they had too little fuel to ever make an impact.

Actually, Zero had a radio originally. It was just that some units preferred to remove it to save weight - "we've always managed with hand signals, we ain't gonna need no radios never". Much as parachutes were considered needless weight; partially because of the Japanese doctrine of using the Zero as an "offensive weapon" which would be always on the attack and surprising the enemy, partially because of the pilot's sense of honour ("to be shot down is shameful so it's better to die"), but mostly because with a Zero you would have needed a parachute only because of a mechanical failure, because receiving hits in one most likely meant that you were already dead or going to die anyway.

---

Back on-topic! It is one thing to have a fighter-bomber in the game, like Hurricane IV, Typhoon, or FW190. But none of these is the Jug. There are no substitutes. (Except maybe P-38 and P-39 <3) Jug = win. Jug = even moar love for FH2.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: TheRevoluzer on 26-12-2009, 19:12:53
Wil be 2.25 released as a patch, or a full-version?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 26-12-2009, 19:12:14
Wil be 2.25 released as a patch, or a full-version?

Both, most likely.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Gregermei$ter on 26-12-2009, 19:12:05
Really nice update guys, looking forward to 2.25 even more now :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 26-12-2009, 19:12:40
What hasn't been explicitly stated, but what is most likely is the Americans in Operation cobra sporting their camouflage... I wonder if the P47s will see action in that map
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-12-2009, 20:12:26
Wil be 2.25 released as a patch, or a full-version?

Both, most likely.
Will we get, as in FH 2.2, be able to download the files ahead and use them later when you guys release the password?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Desertfox on 26-12-2009, 20:12:20
Wil be 2.25 released as a patch, or a full-version?

Both, most likely.
Will we get, as in FH 2.2, be able to download the files ahead and use them later when you guys release the password?
I hope it's a patch, and we can dl it ahead of time. I hate waiting >:(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Toddel on 26-12-2009, 21:12:35
How it look atm will release a patch only. It will be around 800-900 MB heavy and you need BF2 1.5 and FH 2.2 for it.

Hint: if you have a slow connection and 2.2 not ready better start downloading 2.2.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Desertfox on 26-12-2009, 21:12:36
How it look atm will release a patch only. It will be around 800-900 MB heavy and you need BF2 1.5 and FH 2.2 for it.

Hint: if you have a slow connection and 2.2 not ready better start downloading 2.2.
thanks, I have 2.2, and it's nice to know that it'll be a patch
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 26-12-2009, 21:12:05
Holy crap! The hint, THE HINT! It says much!... shhh!... before I anger the gods *Rubs hands and giggles to himself conspiratoriously*
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 26-12-2009, 21:12:34
Hint: if you have a slow connection and 2.2 not ready better start downloading 2.2.

....

How slow a connection are we talking here?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Kelmola on 26-12-2009, 21:12:48
Hint: if you have a slow connection and 2.2 not ready better start downloading 2.2.
So it's VERY close. Last time with 2.2 release, the order to download BF2 v1.5 update (which is of similar size to 2.2) ready for 2.2 was given on Friday, and the Road to FH2 2.2 news update & release date was on Saturday.

And I'm leaving for a week of R&R in Tenerife tomorrow.

FFFFFFFUUUUUU---
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ts4EVER on 26-12-2009, 21:12:07
Usually just before a release you see tons of devs and testers in the pub forum.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 26-12-2009, 21:12:41
Don´t release it between the 30th December and 2nd January, because I´ll be in Prague at that time and won´t be able to play.... :(

On the other hand...release it as soon as possible, because I´ll be drunk at that time, anyway, so it won´t matter if we´ll get it at that time. ^^
Anyway, great news, great news!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Thorondor123 on 26-12-2009, 21:12:58
Usually just before a release you see tons of devs and testers in the pub forum.
*Walks in*

Oh, hi.

*Walks away*
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 26-12-2009, 21:12:00
Holy crap! The hint, THE HINT! It says much!... shhh!... before I anger the gods *Rubs hands and giggles to himself conspiratoriously*
no no NO DJINN NO BLACK HELI'S!
Even us NON testers are safe these days!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Mazz on 26-12-2009, 22:12:17
God damn I can't wait for Cobra.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 27-12-2009, 01:12:13
God damn I can't wait for Cobra.
who knows, you'r wait might be short
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: sn00x on 27-12-2009, 03:12:05
God damn I can't wait for Cobra.
who knows, you'r wait might be short

compromising info! ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: General_Henry on 27-12-2009, 09:12:44
Hint: if you have a slow connection and 2.2 not ready better start downloading 2.2.

....

How slow a connection are we talking here?

56kbps, cut 40% off, around 30kbps, FH2.2 is ~2600000KB or ~ 2600000*8 ~21000000kb

21000000/30 = 700000s

estimating means it's ~11600 min     or    ~ 200 hours  that means ~ 8 days.

Sorry I do all this by rough brain estimates, hope there are no big deviations (too lazy to use a calculator)


that's really slow if it's 56kbps.

if it's ~ 5 kbps I think it would be around a month, but I don't see which poor guys have such slow connection



last note: please tell me if I am not too excited  :D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: djinn on 27-12-2009, 11:12:09
If your calculations are correct, then you are just mirroring my excitment...

Sadly, I wouldn't have the net by then... guess I need to get someone on DL duty pronto!


Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 29-12-2009, 03:12:46
Quote from: Remdul
(http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3437.0;attach=1317;image)

Hmm...  You guys removed the divided Villers?  I never got to fight between "Villers East" and "Villers West" in the WaW scrims but I figured it would be intense close quarters fighting around there.  Then again, I guess if you hide a couple SLs in those ruins, the effect can be similar...

Also, WTF?  2.25 already has a projected size?  That's...amazing and unbelievable at the same time.  They can only know how big it is if it's close to done, right?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 29-12-2009, 04:12:44
Also, WTF?  2.25 already has a projected size?  That's...amazing and unbelievable at the same time.  They can only know how big it is if it's close to done, right?
We can only hope! What I'm trying to figure out is why the patch is so big? We're looking at a few maps and a few vehicles, and obviously statics and the like. I expected more like 400-500 MBs or so ... not nearly a gig!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Zoologic on 29-12-2009, 11:12:22
I believe it is because of the improvement of some of the sounds. But i can't wait for the surprises.

Gotta felling that this gonna be a new year present.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 29-12-2009, 20:12:01
Talking about Updates. Today i had a dream (Well a couple of minutes ago) about a newsupdate.

It was called.. "This is why Finland is so Biased"

It showed a house, in a map, the map looked like a BGF Map. Anyways, you could use a Num Pad, with two section. One, from 1-9 and the other one, called "Tris" (Wich is a 3DSMAX Thingy i belive) from 1-6. You could click on these buttons. The Pad was Grey, everty button was White. When you click on a button, it turns Orange (Just like in Max).

Anyways, it also Showed a PPSH41, a Ugly DP and the last photo was about "Flickering Grass" and it showed nothing but, grass.

Crazy but so realistic.

Yeah kinda Off Topic but i wont revive any thread to post this.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-12-2009, 20:12:22
I also had this crazy dream when i was sick.

I dreamed the whole night that i saw a Ratte in front of me in the fields.
Not just one ratte, sometimes 2  or 3

Nobody was firing though.

yet the most weird part was that they had SHERMAN GREEN camo color, yet still had swastikas en iron crosses on it
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 29-12-2009, 21:12:02
Jesus you guys really gotta get some other hobbies! Dreaming about FH is a tad strange lol.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 29-12-2009, 21:12:41
Dreaming about FH is a tad strange lol.

*coughs, looks around paranoidly and walks slowly out the door*
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 29-12-2009, 21:12:34
Jesus you guys really gotta get some other hobbies! Dreaming about FH is a tad strange lol.
i was sick dammit! 39 Degrees fever! I kept waking up, fall back to sleep, Wake up headache, asleep
REPEAT  >:(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 29-12-2009, 22:12:50
Jesus you guys really gotta get some other hobbies! Dreaming about FH is a tad strange lol.

Haha

It was a very random dream, maybe because Flippy said, once "Finland Bias" or something like that.

Plus in the dreams you are telling the truth, if you studied Psychology..
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 29-12-2009, 22:12:10
Jesus you guys really gotta get some other hobbies! Dreaming about FH is a tad strange lol.
i was sick dammit! 39 Degrees fever! I kept waking up, fall back to sleep, Wake up headache, asleep
REPEAT  >:(

Huh... I thought you died if your body temperature ever went below 86 degrees...

Only explanation: Theta is a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, buddy.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Eat Uranium on 29-12-2009, 22:12:45
Huh... I thought you died if your body temperature ever went below 86 degrees...

Only explanation: Theta is a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, buddy.
I'd like to point out that anyone with a body temp of 86 degrees is either dead or a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, Ionizer.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: [F|H]Taz18 on 29-12-2009, 23:12:43
You guys and your Fahrenheit system!  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 29-12-2009, 23:12:23
Huh... I thought you died if your body temperature ever went below 86 degrees...

Only explanation: Theta is a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, buddy.
I'd like to point out that anyone with a body temp of 86 degrees is either dead or a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, Ionizer.

86 degrees or lower is classified as "Stage 3 Hypothermia," so there are supposedly some people who have survived once their body temperature got their low...or least have been documented with a temp that low.  I know it's wiki, but anything that isn't current events-related is usually at least somewhat reliable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia  "Clinical Death occurs."

Anyway, I run at a stable 98.8 most of the time (I run a little hot, probably why I like to keep the A/C running in my room even during winter, however I was recently told I wasn't allowed to run it when there's snow on the ground, so I have to keep it on "Fan" now).  No need for shotguns here.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Eat Uranium on 29-12-2009, 23:12:10
No wonder you need the AC on all the time, you're quite literally nearly boiling.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 29-12-2009, 23:12:25
He is my apprentice.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 29-12-2009, 23:12:00
He is my apprentice.

Sweet, does that mean I'm the Betatest team now?

Also, this Fahrenheit vs Celsius thing is getting boring...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 29-12-2009, 23:12:05

I'd like to point out that anyone with a body temp of 86 degrees is either dead or a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, Ionizer.

Shotguns are not a good anti-zombie weapon, they have little range and most likely won't destroy the brain easily.  

You idiots need to read the Zombie Survival Guide, though I imagine poor Eat Uranium is already a ghoul.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 29-12-2009, 23:12:29
Don't trust squirrels.  They will try to eat your nuts.   ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Paasky on 29-12-2009, 23:12:10
Huh... I thought you died if your body temperature ever went below 86 degrees...

Only explanation: Theta is a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, buddy.
I'd like to point out that anyone with a body temp of 86 degrees is either dead or a zombie.  Time to break out the shotgun.  Say goodbye to your head, Ionizer.
Anyone with a body temperature of 86 degrees is almost boiling, do zombies typically boil?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 29-12-2009, 23:12:47
Don't trust squirrels.  They will try to eat your nuts.   ;D

I prefer Cashews to Walnuts...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Cory the Otter on 29-12-2009, 23:12:15
me too, actually.



...My peanut.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 29-12-2009, 23:12:11
Sweet, does that mean I'm the Betatest team now?

No.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Ionizer on 29-12-2009, 23:12:43
Sweet, does that mean I'm the Betatest team now?

No.

Damn.  Oh well.  No worse off for trying.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: :| Hi on 29-12-2009, 23:12:30
Sweet, does that mean I'm the Betatest team now?

No.

Damn.  Oh well.  No worse off for trying.

One can always dream :0, well at least till lightning comes back
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: General_Henry on 30-12-2009, 02:12:33
You guys and your Fahrenheit system!  :P

I use Kelvin system.

you're all zombies.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Nerdsturm on 30-12-2009, 03:12:40
At least they're frozen stiff so they can't try to eat anyone's brains.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-01-2010, 01:01:49
I think the next update will have some cool stuff...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 03-01-2010, 01:01:55
Like all the updates before... :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 03-01-2010, 01:01:35
Like all the updates before... :P
exept the FHT updates alone.......

you are like=FINNALY ZOMG FH2 UPDATE YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

And then=FRAK Forgotten hope tourney again
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Aggroman on 03-01-2010, 02:01:22
What's your problem with FHT? >:( ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 03-01-2010, 02:01:59
He says that sometimes we get updates, but updates about Tourneys and nothing new like vehicles, map, or something like that.

Basically, Announcements for Tournaments.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Fuzz on 03-01-2010, 14:01:57
No news is good news  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: THeTA0123 on 06-01-2010, 13:01:37
What's your problem with FHT? >:( ;)
Nothing, i said this aswel before

its just..........you come on the forum......FORGOTTEN hope news! YAY! New tanks?maps?assets?Awesome!

and you see another commercial of FHT  >:( >:( >:( of only FHT :(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-01-2010, 13:01:45
Evil FHT keeping the community running and providing fun battles and so on >:O

Plus those new maps and assets you mentioned :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Raziel on 06-01-2010, 16:01:37
Hey Fuzz! Nice sig! lol!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Thorondor123 on 06-01-2010, 17:01:42
Too bad it's too large.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 23rd December 2009: Rallying the Troops
Post by: Torenico on 06-01-2010, 23:01:42
What's your problem with FHT? >:( ;)
Nothing, i said this aswel before

its just..........you come on the forum......FORGOTTEN hope news! YAY! New tanks?maps?assets?Awesome!

and you see another commercial of FHT  >:( >:( >:( of only FHT :(

Evil FHT gives me the best FH/FH2 Nights ever, Evil FHT teaches me how to model stuff  8)

Hehe

FHT <3