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Offline THeTA0123

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Zhe red army SMG and LMG distribution
« on: 10-09-2012, 20:09:40 »
The PPSH and PPS. ruskis loved them. DP28's aswel.Now these types of weapons got issued alot more then westren armies did. With 6 million PPSH and 3.5 million PPS, it is no surprise that at some points 1 out of 5 and even 1 out of 4 russian soldiers where armed with an SMG. Far more then westren armies wich often deployed one SMG per platoon.

This is the official infantry devision strenght and equipment issued per year. I took my time to type this over from a trusty Red army book written by Phillipe Rio. Who included everything in this book from equipment, clothing, uniforms, badges, ranks, insignias, engineer equipment to even cutterly and rations

Infantry devision size 1941= 10790
equipment issued=
-8431 rifles
-171 SMG's
-162 LMG's
-106 Heavy MG's
-182 anti tank rifles
-54 50mm mortars
-18 82mm mortars
-6 120mm mortars
-18 anti tank guns$
-12 76mm guns
-8 122mm howitzers


Infantry devision size 1942= 9373
equipment issued=
-6474 rifles (Down from 8431
-894 SMG's (Up from 171)
-490 LMG's (Up from 162)
-110 Heavy MG's
-132 anti tank rifles (Down from 182)
-54 50mm mortars
-82 82mm mortars (Up from 18)
-18 120mm mortars (up from 6
-48 anti tank guns (up from 18)
-12 76mm guns
-20 122mm howitzers


Infantry devision size 1943= 9534
equipment issued=
-6274 rifles
-1460 SMG's (up from 894)
-490 LMG's
-110 Heavy MG's
-132 anti tank rifles
-56 50mm mortars
-84 82mm mortars
-18 120mm mortars
-48 anti tank guns$
-12 76mm guns
-20 122mm howitzers


Infantry devision size 1944= 9425
equipment issued=
-6330 rifles (Up from 6274)
-2110 SMG's (Up from 1460)
-494 LMG's
-110 Heavy MG's
-12 anti tank rifles (Down from 132, replaced by new anti-tank grenades)
-0 50mm mortars (phased out)
-83 82mm mortars
-21 120mm mortars
-48 anti tank guns$
-12 76mm guns
-24 122mm howitzers


So my suggestion? give the ruskies in 1943 and especially 1944 maps more SMG's and LMG's then the axis. They are gonna need it considering the far less performing DP28 vs MG34/42 and the far bigger number STG 44's in eastfront then in normandy

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Re: Zhe red army SMG and LMG distribution
« Reply #1 on: 11-09-2012, 08:09:17 »
theta... gameplay before history.  :)

i take a guess the DP will be like the bren, and the ppsh like the rest of the lot..
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Re: Zhe red army SMG and LMG distribution
« Reply #2 on: 11-09-2012, 09:09:24 »
I think it would be nice to see some differences in the armies. It doesn´t have to be super balanced; this said I would appreciate it to see on some maps two slots for the PPSH instead of the usual single slot. Another PPSH could be added for the anti tank class with the grenades ... you are forced to attack tanks at close range with those grenades anyways. This would also be something different.

Keep in mind that there´re other things to balance that out (MG 42 fire while standing, or better german tanks). Also SMGs don´t come with advantages only - far range combat becomes harder.
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Re: Zhe red army SMG and LMG distribution
« Reply #3 on: 11-09-2012, 15:09:20 »
Also SMGs don´t come with advantages only - far range combat becomes impossible.

fixed ;D

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Re: Zhe red army SMG and LMG distribution
« Reply #4 on: 11-09-2012, 18:09:00 »
Also SMGs don´t come with advantages only - far range combat becomes impossible.

fixed ;D

PPSH has twice the accurate range of the MP40.

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Re: Zhe red army SMG and LMG distribution
« Reply #5 on: 11-09-2012, 19:09:44 »
theta... gameplay before history.  :)

i take a guess the DP will be like the bren, and the ppsh like the rest of the lot..
No. The DP is like the breda 30. It should not, no nay, never have the capability of the BREN

Also SMGs don´t come with advantages only - far range combat becomes impossible.

fixed ;D

PPSH has twice the accurate range of the MP40.
Quite correct :)  PPSH and even the PPS where superior to the MP 40
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