Inefficiency of the 75mm/L48

[THeTA0123]

Does this affect PAK 40 as well? IIRC it used cartriges with longer case, and therefore more power (correct me if I'm wrong though)

Nope Pak 40 is a clean punch

To be honest tank engagements are ridicolous now. Theta0 is happy, no wonder. But seriously ... even some Panther shots bounced of Shermans ingame. And the German 75mm-guns were very capable of knocking out Shermans and T-34s.

This is way to arcade imo. FH2s charm was that the teams weren´t mirror balanced, but everythign had a quite realistic touch. Panzer IVs and StuGs losing on a frequent basis to Shermans is just dull. Immersion of tank combat has really suffered under this.

StuGs alone had 20.000 destroyed tanks (mostly T-34s, comparable to Shermans) under their belt til the spring of ´44. The 75mm/L48 can´t be that bad. The thing is just a joke now.

A panther tank should have no problem with the sherman or T34. this should be looked into.

But the 7.5CM L48 was a diffrent story. M4A1's and T34's? No problem. But T34-85 turrets and shermans M4A3/V or with welded hulls? whole other area mate.


And the stug 20 000 kills comes from a wikipedia source wich is just an article. I am not saying it is impossible, as there where 9500 stugs build. But can somebody look into this?
So in the end thats only a 2:1 KD Ratio. Not so great if you count how many allied tanks there where.


And happy? I am satisfied with the 2.45 version yes.

As for the panther, it only seems to be with the later Sherman models. But i just got one shotted to the sides on Meuse, and 2 shotted later on. The ranges where actually quite close. Maybe there is a problem with the hitbox?

[Ts4EVER]

No long range damage was nerfed to make maneuvring a more powerful option instead of just camping.

[kingtiger1891]

No long range damage was nerfed to make maneuvring a more powerful option instead of just camping.

In most cases tank campers dont do long range shot, they sit there and shoot whatever spawns or comes out of corner, but not long range. And as I said, Panther not one shotting Sherman from side at long range is overdone.

[LuckyOne]

In most cases tank campers dont do long range shot, they sit there and shoot whatever spawns or comes out of corner, but not long range. And as I said, Panther not one shotting Sherman from side at long range is overdone.

Agreed I experienced this today... Bounced 2 pak shots from front and one Panther's from front/side... Then the 2nd Panther's shot took me out... And this was at closer range, 150 m max.

[THeTA0123]

Should be looked into then

[Musti]

Also there seems to be something wrong with Panzershreck. I shot few of them today, in the side, close range, roughly straight on. Didn't manage to kill them in one shot. I need to try it out some more, but seems weird.

[VonMudra]

Agreed with all points made for bringing up power of the 75mm for Germans.  Right now, it is just too damn weak.  At 500m, a Panzer IV DOES knock out any sherman to the front, and a sherman will bounce off the hull (though not turret face).  As of right now, this is rather ridiculous, when I was able to do long range duels with Panther's with ease on Cobra last friday, as they had to land 2-3 shots to kill me, whilst a single shot, well aimed at their shot trap, killed them.

I will have to playtest more though...this week was a bad week for FH2 to release for me, what with sick kittens and apartment searching.

[Valekk]

Also there seems to be something wrong with panzershreck. I shot few of them today, in the side, close range, roughly straight on. Didn't manage to kill them in one shot. I need to try it out some more, but seems weird.

I've had a similar experience with the panzerschreck, I've used it against at least six shermans since release.  At least half were shots directly to the rear, none of which hit any obstruction as I fired in around 30m on stationary shermans to ensure so.  The other half were moving and hit the sides.  But with all my rear hits, the sherman would just end up on fire, so it seems this is an intentional change with the patch.

Like the panzerfaust with being able to penetrate 200mm of steel, it should one shot any allied tank in the game.  I realize for balance sake infantry AT weapons will never always 1s1k tanks to the front or churchill tanks but the pzschreck should do so for the rear of medium tanks.  I hope this is some kind of bug and not a permanent change.

[Horstpetersens]

same experience here
needed 3 shoots with panther at an angled firefly at relativ close range to the side.
if i had turned the side towards him, like he did, i could have been shot with one hit.
this is simply not acceptable

[Zoologic]

Maybe it happens online?

In SP, you can pretty much one shot every allied tank in Goodwood (Shermans and Cromwells) from any angle using 75 mm/L70 Panther gun. I did this from near the railways, and the allies are just coming out from the hedgerows that cover their main spawns. Also, the Firefly seems to unable to kill me at that distance. WTH? It took them 2 shots to the front to properly kill my Panther.

And about the Panzerschreck, yeah I notice that too. It doesn't kill M4A3 Shermans easily. In Lebisey, I usually hide in the trench and pop up to fire a quick shot at weaker part of the Sherman. But it doesn't work anymore. It took me 2-3 rounds to make the tank dies. The fausts is still the same. A shot to Churchill's side will make them burn, but not dead.

[THeTA0123]

grrr its that beech bug wich says "in SP everything is fine! In MP it is fine with 1 player! you can only test it on a full server!"

But if you look at the penetration value of the PZIV  75mm and then to the armor of the sherman(the welded late models, not the early ones) then a 1s1k is ridiculous because i can name many examples for when a german tank in FH2 has less armour then the penetration yet it takes multiple shots to kill it with the allied weaponary you are firing with.

6PDR APCBC penetration= 84mm at 500 meters. 3 shots required on panthers 40mm side armour
PIAT penetration= 70mm. 2-3 shots required on Panthers side armour

A panther should have no problem in dealing with shermans, but the 7.5CM of the PZIV/STUH should not be 1s1k to the front of later sherman models. Its simply ridiculous and once again opens the BS dicussion i had with KT in the past. Kingtiger 1891 claimed=Allied tanks should be 1s1k, german tanks shouldnt.

[Paythoss]

Sometimes I must agree with THeTAO .... and you have right . But late models in FH2 are represented by only M4A1 (76) and M4A3 . Rest are early M4A1 and M4A4  .They should ,  at last , take a 95 % damage , with one shot from 75 L/48 from any tank or spg .

[kingtiger1891]

Its simply ridiculous and once again opens the BS dicussion i had with KT in the past. Kingtiger 1891 claimed=Allied tanks should be 1s1k, german tanks shouldnt.

When the hell did I claim that? Quote it.

I did apply your bs, ridiculous allied biased logic to the Churchill and find out that it should be one shot killed according to this context.

[Zoologic]

When you are arguing about shot to kill... by quoting penetration vs. armour thickness, he will say "penetration doesn't always means a kill" which is a bullshit escapist argument.

IMHO, define a kill.

A shot to the track doesn't disable a tank in this game, which is clearly more unrealistic IMO than a Panther surviving a hit to the side from 6 pdr APCBC round (are you sure? It took me one hit to light up the engine compartment).

[GuinNess]

Also there seems to be something wrong with panzershreck. I shot few of them today, in the side, close range, roughly straight on. Didn't manage to kill them in one shot. I need to try it out some more, but seems weird.

I've had a similar experience with the panzerschreck, I've used it against at least six shermans since release.  At least half were shots directly to the rear, none of which hit any obstruction as I fired in around 30m on stationary shermans to ensure so.  The other half were moving and hit the sides.  But with all my rear hits, the sherman would just end up on fire, so it seems this is an intentional change with the patch.

Like the panzerfaust with being able to penetrate 200mm of steel, it should one shot any allied tank in the game.  I realize for balance sake infantry AT weapons will never always 1s1k tanks to the front or churchill tanks but the pzschreck should do so for the rear of medium tanks.  I hope this is some kind of bug and not a permanent change.

Same story here: shot a sherman right in his arse with panzerschreck and it kept going...RAGE!