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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #15 on: 20-10-2009, 06:10:19 »
1. This is server-side. I think on hslan you wouldn't get into trouble for killing artillerists.

You are wrong there.
Me and some guy decided via voip that we should take Kübelwagen and sneak inside enemy base and destroy the artillery.
All went fine,until some noob reported me and admin warned me for baserape when i ONLY killed those who where on the artillery,what should i do?
tell them to get out of artillery when i would destroy it?

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #16 on: 20-10-2009, 07:10:24 »
1. This is server-side. I think on hslan you wouldn't get into trouble for killing artillerists.

You are wrong there.
Me and some guy decided via voip that we should take Kübelwagen and sneak inside enemy base and destroy the artillery.
All went fine,until some noob reported me and admin warned me for baserape when i ONLY killed those who where on the artillery,what should i do?
tell them to get out of artillery when i would destroy it?

There is your problem. You went INTO the main. That is considered a big nogo.
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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #17 on: 20-10-2009, 08:10:09 »
Report the map for not having Anti BaseCamp area!... the server admins should not have to draw imaginary lines on the map............ if the map allows you to go there, go there. If server admins dont like it, they are very welcomed to email or PM us on the forum and ask us to instigate (is that a word? it felt right) a combat area that protects the zone.

Secondly if a mapper wants a protected arty in a mainbase, he has 4000 different statics to choose from to block the view from snipers or riflemen. Same goes here: if there is an open view to him (like on Goodwood) IMO just shoot that arty guy! after all, he has his entourage of spotters and shooters that should cover him (right flippy?) and Im sure no one wants to play with some sort of holy protective aura around him, where's the thrill in that?? Arty is awesome if handled correctly, but ofcourse there must be countermeasures to it. Otherwise you remove the fun for the arty guy himself.

Just report these gameplay issues, server admins arent online all the time, they dont share the same views and it all bounces back to us, the creators of the maps, to make sure it is clear what you are "allowed" and not to do. dont blame the player, blame the game.

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #18 on: 20-10-2009, 09:10:44 »
Theres a REALLY REALLY good spot on totalize where I engage the British artillery completely effectively, yet whenever I do, they piss and moan about baserape.

One time I killed about 6 of their gunners when the admin (one of the gunners) was like "READ TEH RULES!", to which I replied "sir, the rule says "do not enter enemy spawn unless in an aircraft. I am not in your spawn, I am simply engaging artillery". then they kicked me for "spamming chat".

Even better is when a retard gets his hands on a mortar or a field gun. This one time on Lebisey, some nubcake was firing at the east AT position for a while after we had capped it (British). He ended up killing myself twice and 2 or 3 others before I spawned at the original start point and put a webley to his head. Then he said "WELL I CANT SEE WHAT IM SHOOTING AT!". Turns out he didnt even know how to see the target, then I got kicked for TKing.

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #19 on: 20-10-2009, 09:10:56 »
But that now is a problem for the gamers and not the devs. Sure it's unlucky that you are able to hit the arty on totalize, but if you do so with for example an HE Shell it can rightly be considered as spawnraping, since you can't argue that you are 'only' trying to kill the arty with those shells.
Now when you are sniping then I'd say there is no problem on that part.

Admins are also just people. If you piss them off, they piss on you. :)
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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #20 on: 20-10-2009, 09:10:54 »


When I speak of the Americans in the maps, as of July 25th 1944, there was 812,000 American troops and only 640,000 commonwealth (Canadian, Free French, British etc). I just feel the Americans played a larger part in the fighting on the western front and as such should be better represented. That being said, I understand that the Americans are still in a semi-experimental stage and I will wait patiently until they are more fully integrated.
Sure, there will be more American maps. And there will be more British, Canadian, French, Polish, Italian, Australian, Finnish, Russian... So don't expect FH2 to turn into a generic GI Joe saves the world shooter.



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Forgive me, but I can't really see your point here. Calling the low number of maps featuring the US Army something that 'needs to be addressed' is arrogant to say the least, and if we're talking about representing countries, I feel the African campaign has done well to present the British and Australian contributions, as well as to an extent the Italian side to the campaign. Normandy has only 7 maps, and given the smaller contribution made by the Americans in North Africa (the only really necessary map would be Kasserine Pass) only these 7 can be counted as potential 'American' maps. 3 out of 7 is not bad. The mod has done an excellent job presenting two sides of the Normandy campaign that the mainstream media of games has avoided in recent years - the British and Canadian side. The Americans have been 'overplayed' as it were. They'll get more maps, rest assured. But don't go acting like a lack of American maps is 'something that needs to be addressed' - it reeks of Ameri-centric jingoism.
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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #21 on: 20-10-2009, 10:10:28 »
1. This is server-side. I think on hslan you wouldn't get into trouble for killing artillerists.

You are wrong there.
Me and some guy decided via voip that we should take Kübelwagen and sneak inside enemy base and destroy the artillery.
All went fine,until some noob reported me and admin warned me for baserape when i ONLY killed those who where on the artillery,what should i do?
tell them to get out of artillery when i would destroy it?

There is your problem. You went INTO the main. That is considered a big nogo.

How the fuck are u supposed to destroy enemy artillery then?!?!

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #22 on: 20-10-2009, 10:10:05 »
How the fuck are u supposed to destroy enemy artillery then?!?!


I bet that was the same question many soldiers had during WW2. ;)
Your commander has the chance to rain hi arty on theirs, but other than that you don't destroy the enemy arty. This is NOT BF2.
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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #23 on: 20-10-2009, 12:10:25 »
You might want to argue with Die_Happy about that.  :P

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #24 on: 20-10-2009, 13:10:32 »
On some maps, I know that each side's arty is in range of each other. Is it permissable to rain arty fire on an enemy mainbase arty position? I've been on the receiving end of it and, while it's annoying, it's actually quite counterproductive to keep doing it, as you're denying the enemy use of their artillery instead of providing your own troops with artillery support.
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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #25 on: 20-10-2009, 13:10:49 »
I think there is no way of telling but asking the server admins.
That arty thing is a difficult matter anyway. I've seen players being kicked from hslan, IIRC, for raining commanders artillery into the mainbase, argumenting they wanted to take out the arty (german main, Siege of Tobruk) - I thought that to be correct. On Sidi Rezegh I've seen Kübel rushs to the brit arty, killing the guns and moving away again.
But it's not too effective anyways, the guns are easily repaired within half a minute.

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #26 on: 20-10-2009, 16:10:10 »
How the fuck are u supposed to destroy enemy artillery then?!?!

I think by sniping the gunner is quite alright. But when someone yells "baserape" is like an overreaction to me. The term is overused by nowadays FH2 players. Back in FH1, baserapes were pretty common and the term still held into its true meaning.

About the American thing... there are a lot of arguement that the whole WW2 was more like between Soviets and Germans on Europe, which engaged each other in several of the bloodiest and the biggest battle ever happened in history. By the time the allies landed in Normandy, German forces were on retreat before the Soviets. The Yanks will get their parts more in Pacific.

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #27 on: 20-10-2009, 16:10:35 »
Use aircraft. Really stay away from the main bases.....

Make a thread on the Hslan forum about this. They can give you some good answers
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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #28 on: 20-10-2009, 17:10:39 »
the respective hslan serverrule:

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1. Dont attack or enter uncapturable mainbases!
Only planes are excepted from this rule.
Temporary pushmap-uncaps are NOT considered as uncapturable mainbases.

this includes artillery in or in direct vicinity to those bases (fe allied arty in sidi rezegh 64).

the reason for this is that it is hard to differ between someone raping the mainbase and someone who only wants to "raid the artillery". to make things easy für admins and players we decided that only planes are allowed to attack.

btw: we use nearly the same set of rules since FH 0.65, so thats realy nothing new.

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Re: A few annoyances in my favorite game.
« Reply #29 on: 20-10-2009, 17:10:45 »
the respective hslan serverrule:

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1. Dont attack or enter uncapturable mainbases!
Only planes are excepted from this rule.
Temporary pushmap-uncaps are NOT considered as uncapturable mainbases.

this includes artillery in or in direct vicinity to those bases (fe allied arty in sidi rezegh 64).

the reason for this is that it is hard to differ between someone raping the mainbase and someone who only wants to "raid the artillery". to make things easy für admins and players we decided that only planes are allowed to attack.

btw: we use nearly the same set of rules since FH 0.65, so thats realy nothing new.



Thank you. So, to clarify: if a map has artillery but no planes, the artillery in the main base may not be destroyed under any circumstances by the enemy?
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