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Forgotten Hope 2 => FH2 Help / Support => Topic started by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 00:04:35

Title: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 00:04:35
Sorry i think in the bug section is my thread wrong but i know it too late.......

My Ping is 21ms on hslan server.

My System:

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SB 64-BIT D 1er OEM DVD
ATX Midi NZXT HU-001WH Special Edition - Pearl white
Netzteil ATX be quiet! Straight Power E7 450W      
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GT-UD3H 785G AM3 ATX      
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.20GHz (C3) AM3 6MB 125W Black...      
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus S775,1156,1366,939,AM2,AM3      
1024MB Sapphire Radeon HD5770 Vapor-X GDDR5 Lite Retail PCIe      
2x2048MB Exceleram CB8 DDR3-2000 CL8 Kit "Blue Culvert"      
500GB Samsung HD502HJ F3 16MB 7200 U/min SATA      
LG GH22NS50 SATA schwarz bulk      

All driver up to date
no virus,spy or maleware

Start renderer.drawFps 1 in the console.
Fps on 1941-1943 Maps is:
100-150 FpS

but on 1944 maps:
17-34 FpS   :-[

I have this with 4 cores and in 1 core mode (bf2.exe and fh2.exe only use 1 core)

i dont know what i can do i love the game but all the good new maps i cant play.
i only have this in BF2.
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: kummitus on 25-04-2010, 00:04:42
dont remember how it actually should be but try to change your audio from hardware to software or other way around, i think it will help, and those other audio settings too
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Oddball on 25-04-2010, 08:04:07
Is it a laptop, or a desktop?
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 12:04:06
see at my post and the hardware O_o naturaly is it a desktop.
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 25-04-2010, 12:04:58
Install GPU-Z. Run it, go to 'sensors' tab.

Click 'continue refreshing in the background' on the bottom.

Start BF2, go into 1944 map, for 10-15 seconds check FPS.

ALT-TAB to GPU-Z, check GPU CORE CLOCK (top bar) and tell me how many MHZ it says!
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 13:04:12
ok a lite bit moment pls .
i edit this after the check.

Here after 30 Secounds of playing Operation Totalize
(fps are in the pic)

http://s5.directupload.net/images/100425/6lcwi7s3.jpg

sorry the pic i wrong after i click alt+tab i see 860mhz not 157 !
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 17:04:50
hello anyone here to say something ?
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 25-04-2010, 17:04:04
Yes.

I know your problem....your videocard is staying in low performance 2D mode (see the MHz).
This is a common problem with several ATI videocards/brands and driver combinations. Sapphire has this problem often (I had it too).

Your best bet is to uninstall the current videodriver, and try various new ones. Normally I would advise to use Rivatuner to do it by hand and force 3D mode speed...but rivatuner does not support 5xxx cards yet I believe.

Also, but you need to be a bit hardcore for this, adjusting 2D mode speed with BIOS editor is a way. I am currently running 3850 at 3870 speeds through bios editor, and downclocking manually when not gaming with profiles of CCC...

Also check if there is bios update for your sapphire card...

Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 25-04-2010, 17:04:59
A few solutions to test (and keep an eye on GPU-Z monitor, it should read I think 900+ mhz for your card on the first bar! and it will show a 'drop' in the red line if it was fast before, and now slow because you ALT-TAB so you can still verify!) :

- Go to Ati CCC overclocking tab. Click on the little key, and overclock the card 1-2 MHz. 'Apply' these settings and see if it sticks

- Try to play 1080P or 720P video in Windows Media Player and see if that increases GPU speed

Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 25-04-2010, 17:04:02
Also check this thread for solutions, there are people with EXACTLY your card having similar issues, some of them solve it with driver uninstalls, some by using MSI overclocking tool etc etc :

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=15697889
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 17:04:15
hmm i dont will buy a nvidia thats i run a microwave 24/7.........(temperatur,Watt and price)

i love small cold but performance cards from ati

i look in the internet how to fix this 2d bug of ati cards

    * Tom’s Hardware has tripped over a workload area (2D lines, etc) that we have not optimized yet.
    * Until this new benchmark, we have not seen any other applications that are bottlenecked by this path, and hence have not focused on it until now.
    * Our initial analysis has shown that we have no hardware limitations in this area.We now have our driver team engaged to optimize this path and will release a new driver to address this workload as soon as possible.
    * We have already found an easy way of increasing our performance greatly, and are now going to try
and schedule this in a future Catalyst (need to code in production, validate, ensure it doesn’t break anything else, etc)


i read that the 2d low performance bug of the driver for 4XXX and 5XXX are full fixed in Catalyst 10.4 ! ^^
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: DLFReporter on 25-04-2010, 19:04:37
Once the driver arrives I hope. The 10.4a has made things worse imo.
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 25-04-2010, 19:04:13
Once the driver arrives I hope. The 10.4a has made things worse imo.

worse ?

sorry my english is shit  ::)
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: DLFReporter on 26-04-2010, 08:04:16
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Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 26-04-2010, 21:04:06
which   things ?
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 15-05-2010, 14:05:46
Seradest,

You have the 2D core problem. Your card is running at 1/4th its performance all the time. This is a known problem, you can fix this in various ways. No need to be sulking in a corner...! Your poor english is the main reason you did not fix it yet, so get a tweaker friend with good knowledge of english that can fix your pc for you. Simple.
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Fenring on 15-05-2010, 18:05:28
try disabeling amd cool and quiet in bios it can help a bit. We are aware that some maps have performance problems in normandy this is largely due to improper use of drawcalls and texture sheets in the new statics. You get these issues even in luttich? Some maps will get performance optimizations for next patch.
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 15-05-2010, 18:05:59
Fenring,

His problems are not due to FH2. They are due to stupid ati issues that force some of their videocards to get stuck in 2D performance mode, or low perf. 3D mode. Meaning his card is clocked at 1/4th or 1/6 or so of his regular speed...

He needs to fix this (I did it by overclocking it manually with overclocking software, that fixed it right away)
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Fenring on 16-05-2010, 12:05:11
Any links or refs to this problem, any benchmarks that show i affects bf2? I have never heard about it. Any links that show you how to do this?
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 16-05-2010, 12:05:10
Fenring, just google it...

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&q=ati+stuck+2d+clocks&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

you see many people where for example their 5970 is stuck at 400Mhz/900Mhz in 2d and 3d mode. This is quite low for that card, but still similar to HD3650 or so in performance (and hence it works okay on SOME maps, but not on others).

It's a very well documented problem. Solutions are installing overclocking software and manually forcing the speed (I dont know anything of 5xxx cards, but the regular software like rivatuner is not compatible) and manually changing 2D speeds in bios to same as 3D (I did that on my previous card).



Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 17-05-2010, 01:05:57
i buying a nvidia card end of this year i promise.......
but 250 W and 350€ cost........... and a card that not fit in my desktop..........

sorry why make nvidia soooo big card that are  need so many Watt and why are they so loud and has so high temperature...... why cant make nvidia cool and quiet cards that cost 250€ ?

arg  :-\
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: DLFReporter on 17-05-2010, 09:05:37
Just fix the problem as described above and all is well. Stay with ATI... or buy a powerplant. ^^
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Dnarag1M on 17-05-2010, 11:05:02
i buying a nvidia card end of this year i promise.......
but 250 W and 350€ cost........... and a card that not fit in my desktop..........

sorry why make nvidia soooo big card that are  need so many Watt and why are they so loud and has so high temperature...... why cant make nvidia cool and quiet cards that cost 250€ ?

arg  :-\

Just overclock the card, or email ATI/Your card brand to complain about your problem! Find solutions, dont give up.
Title: Re: Low FPS on a hight end system
Post by: Seradest on 17-05-2010, 16:05:34
Just fix the problem as described above and all is well. Stay with ATI... or buy a powerplant. ^^

i have deactivate cool and quiet in bios ......... nothing change