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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #60 on: 13-01-2013, 13:01:11 »
what bothers me is the recoil on Semi-auto. I can understand the gun jumps up after 5 rounds as the tommy did that. But on short bursts and semi-auto, the Tommy had little upwards kick and recoil.
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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #61 on: 13-01-2013, 14:01:16 »
Can it be coded that a gun has a different recoil when fired semi auto?

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #62 on: 11-03-2013, 20:03:51 »
TS is kinda right, but i prefer rifles above SMG's because i hate the jump recoil, ugh.

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #63 on: 12-03-2013, 14:03:09 »
TS is kinda right, but i prefer rifles above SMG's because i hate the jump recoil, ugh.
Have you ever considered not to use iron sights while using a SMG?
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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #64 on: 12-03-2013, 17:03:15 »
I use hip fire when i see an enemy at CQB, but when i see him 100 meters off me i have no other choice but to use the iron sights.

But i usually play Axis and i dont like the jumy recoil mp40. If i want a CQB weapon i pick up the Thommy gun or anything else avaible. Mp40 is a flaw in both game and real life, no hate.

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #65 on: 12-03-2013, 18:03:23 »
MP40 was pretty average compared to allied and other axis SMG's. The biggest flaw being the lacking of a Semi-auto function. And well, A single .45ACP did the job of 2 9mm's. And the PPSH outranged the mp40, shot faster, was more accurate and had less recoil on full auto.

However ergonomics wise, the MP40 was compact and very liked for this. But disliked by the high command because the MP40 was pretty darn expensive to produce.
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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #66 on: 12-03-2013, 18:03:00 »
Seconded.

I like the mp34/35 better. Same ROF but double effective range and less metal needed for the production, altough both had a reputation of being really expensive.
one of the other Erma desigsn (emp 35/44) would have been be a good option as well. Both had double effective range as well.

These are statistics, keep in mind that i have no idea what the common wehrmacht/W-SS soldier thought about the mp40.

Ingame tough i prefer anything above the mp40. But my favourite (ingame) is the beretta 38. Love the iron sights and the fine handling

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #67 on: 12-03-2013, 19:03:36 »


These are statistics, keep in mind that i have no idea what the common wehrmacht/W-SS soldier thought about the mp40.

Soldiers take light weight, compactness and reliability over performance, so yes the MP40 was very very well liked  ;D
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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #68 on: 26-03-2013, 13:03:12 »
Well, I agree that even using k98 you can win agtainst the guys with smg (if you have luck). I think the speed of aiming animation for rifles should be the same as for LMG. Because now is unrealistically to fast...

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #69 on: 26-03-2013, 13:03:23 »
Don't make it as slow as the MGs as this would make this game too camper friendly. It is a bit too fast maybe. In close quarters it always looks like CoD-ish "Quick scope".
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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #70 on: 26-03-2013, 15:03:05 »
Yeah, thats what I mean...

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #71 on: 26-03-2013, 23:03:05 »
The longer a rifle barrel, the longer it takes to allign the sights
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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #72 on: 31-03-2013, 21:03:34 »
The B.A.R standup precision is what needs to be fixed ^^ http://youtu.be/4V1Wtp2Jb6k

Btw, i wouldn't mind if the STG44 did some more damage, the recoil is petty tough and it's harder to aim with than k98, but they use the same caliber, it would be OP at medium ranges though but then again the americans have the M1 "Empty-all-8-on-them-in-your-belly-from-point-blank-range-*pling*" Garand. 2 from the m1 carbine would be quite nice also^^

How do the damage system work anyway? somepeople go down from 1 with a rifle like k98 in the chest, sometimes 2.

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #73 on: 31-03-2013, 22:03:34 »
The B.A.R standup precision is what needs to be fixed ^^ http://youtu.be/4V1Wtp2Jb6k

Btw, i wouldn't mind if the STG44 did some more damage, the recoil is petty tough and it's harder to aim with than k98, but they use the same caliber, it would be OP at medium ranges though but then again the americans have the M1 "Empty-all-8-on-them-in-your-belly-from-point-blank-range-*pling*" Garand. 2 from the m1 carbine would be quite nice also^^

wow wow wow buddy. The STG44 does not have the same round as the Mauser K98.

The Mauser K98k is chambered in the 8x57mm IS (or 7.92x57mm rimless). This gives it roughly 820M/S muzzle velocity with an energy of 4000 joules. The round weights 197 grains IIRC.
The STG 44 uses the 7.92x>>>>33<<<< mm "Kurz" round. It fires a 125 Grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of >685M/S< and a muzzle energy of 1909 Joules. Thats Significantly less then the K98k"s 8x57mm. it shares the same bullet diameter but Not the same bullet weight, length and case lenght.

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"Empty-all-8-on-them-in-your-belly-from-point-blank-range-*pling*" Garand
Well this set the Garand apart from the K98k. However the garand has horrible recoil and muzzle jump(A bit to much actually) And no way can it beat a STG44 at short range. The M1 garand fires the 7.62x63mm (.30-06) round. 165 grain projectile at 3894 joules (850M/S). Do the math.

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2 from the m1 carbine would be quite nice also^^
Yes and no. The M1 carbine uses the .30carbine (7.62x33mm) round. Its often confused with being called "simular" to the 7.92x33mm kurz (and even a copy, wich it is not.)
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The .30 carbine has a muzzle energy of 1311 joules, A Muzzle speed of only 606 M/S with a simular weight round however. it has 40% less recoil then the 7.92x33 however.

The big diffrence in these cartidges is that the .30Carbine is infact an enlarged pistol round. While the 7.92x33 Kurz is a cut down Rifle cartidge. Up to 175 meters the M1 carbine was sufficient in stopping power. But beyond that its round nosed bullet and slower speed made it less effective. Something wich the 7.92x33mm kurz did not suffered from. It stayed equally effective as it left the barrel up to 300 meters.

So at short range, the M1 carbine Should be simular to the STG44. As it was ment as a self-defense weapon. But on longer ranges the STG44 should remain 2 shots while the M1 needs to be 3 shots. And this is like this currently ingame

So a final summary

The STG44 is fine
The k98k and Garand are fine
The M1 carbine is fine.



See the diffrence?
now lets put the 7.92x33mm kurz next to the 7.92x57mm Mauser

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Re: SMGs are really weak
« Reply #74 on: 01-04-2013, 00:04:56 »
Ouch...
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